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We drafted for over a month. 24 hours seems a bit short, especially over a weekend. I was a part of the draft and didn't even get to it, let alone others that were completely unaware or didn't have time to look thru all the lineups.
You were tagged in the post. All of the lineups are in the OP of this thread. Forty two people managed to vote in this, which means at least twenty three people with no vested interest in this took the time to vote.
I'm sorry that it didn't fall in your schedule but there's no reason to think that extending the poll time would change the results.
I don't care about the results. I just think we spent all this time doing a draft and taking our time and then we rush out and finish a poll over the weekend when we could have had a slightly longer voting period and given more people the opportunity to be involved.
We drafted for over a month. 24 hours seems a bit short, especially over a weekend. I was a part of the draft and didn't even get to it, let alone others that were completely unaware or didn't have time to look thru all the lineups.
You've been very active in mafia the past day. You've had time.
You don't know my schedule and no I didn't. I'm not some college student with the weekend off. I spent my weekend at Menards and doing landscaping. And yes, I was able to do Mafia and that took up a shit ton of time. That was my weekend.
I would have liked to have spent the time to properly research and vote for 10 lineups, but I guess that's being difficult....
You were tagged in the post. All of the lineups are in the OP of this thread. Forty two people managed to vote in this, which means at least twenty three people with no vested interest in this took the time to vote.
I'm sorry that it didn't fall in your schedule but there's no reason to think that extending the poll time would change the results.
I don't care about the results. I just think we spent all this time doing a draft and taking our time and then we rush out and finish a poll over the weekend when we could have had a slightly longer voting period and given more people the opportunity to be involved.
Throughout the whole draft everyone was bitching that stuff was taking too long. Twenty four hours seemed a perfectly reasonable period of time. I'm sorry that you feel that wasn't fair.
I don't care about the results. I just think we spent all this time doing a draft and taking our time and then we rush out and finish a poll over the weekend when we could have had a slightly longer voting period and given more people the opportunity to be involved.
Throughout the whole draft everyone was bitching that stuff was taking too long. Twenty four hours seemed a perfectly reasonable period of time. I'm sorry that you feel that wasn't fair.
Funny thing is, Zig was the main person complaining about people taking too long.
You've been very active in mafia the past day. You've had time.
You don't know my schedule and no I didn't. I'm not some college student with the weekend off. I spent my weekend at Menards and doing landscaping. And yes, I was able to do Mafia and that took up a shit ton of time. That was my weekend.
I would have liked to have spent the time to properly research and vote for 10 lineups, but I guess that's being difficult....
I don't care about the results. I just think we spent all this time doing a draft and taking our time and then we rush out and finish a poll over the weekend when we could have had a slightly longer voting period and given more people the opportunity to be involved.
Throughout the whole draft everyone was bitching that stuff was taking too long. Twenty four hours seemed a perfectly reasonable period of time. I'm sorry that you feel that wasn't fair.
Well most decisions were made either poll or thru a ref. I think when we were getting close to the polling, it would have been more considerate to see how people felt about the polling timeline. If you recall, you originally wanted to do the UDFA in 24 hours, and everyone universally said we needed more time.
Throughout the whole draft everyone was bitching that stuff was taking too long. Twenty four hours seemed a perfectly reasonable period of time. I'm sorry that you feel that wasn't fair.
Funny thing is, Zig was the main person complaining about people taking too long.
During drafting. Once we got to UDFA I said we needed more time.
There's a big difference in the time it takes selecting 1 band and fully reviewing 20 lineups each with 60+ acts.
During drafting. Once we got to UDFA I said we needed more time.
There's a big difference in the time it takes selecting 1 band and fully reviewing 20 lineups each with 60+ acts.
You've been living with the basically final lineups for about a week now. Either you have the ability to form an opinion or not at this point.
Well that's just not true. Multiple versions of posters were scattered throughout the thread and not everyone posted final versions, some sent them directly to you. You posted just the recent updates (mainly superjam changes) for final disputes Friday evening, but all the final posters weren't published together until yesterday morning.
My point at this time is that because I was the one that complained, my feedback is derided, ridiculed, and essentially blown off. Whatever. But If someone yesterday had asked for more voting time, say 36 hours, 100% guaranteed it would have been heard and granted.
My point at this time is that because I was the one that complained, my feedback is derided, ridiculed, and essentially blown off. Whatever. But If someone yesterday had asked for more voting time, say 36 hours, 100% guaranteed it would have been heard and granted.
My point at this time is that because I was the one that complained, my feedback is derided, ridiculed, and essentially blown off. Whatever. But If someone yesterday had asked for more voting time, say 36 hours, 100% guaranteed it would have been heard and granted.
My point is that you posted more than a dozen times during the window that voting was open. You were tagged. You have no excuse not to have voted.
You've been living with the basically final lineups for about a week now. Either you have the ability to form an opinion or not at this point.
Well that's just not true. Multiple versions of posters were scattered throughout the thread and not everyone posted final versions, some sent them directly to you. You posted just the recent updates (mainly superjam changes) for final disputes Friday evening, but all the final posters weren't published together until yesterday morning.
The original posters were posted. Changes were requested, publicly discussed, their replacements announced, and then the changes were summarized for good measure. A lot of lineups had no changes. Also, you were tagged and you were posting on the forum whilst voting was going on.
My point at this time is that because I was the one that complained, my feedback is derided, ridiculed, and essentially blown off. Whatever. But If someone yesterday had asked for more voting time, say 36 hours, 100% guaranteed it would have been heard and granted.
My point is that you posted more than a dozen times during the window that voting was open. You were tagged. You have no excuse not to have voted.
I never denied that I posted, but dealing with Mafia is a completely different beast and that was my focus. And I never saw the notification for the draft because I only go onto Inforoo on my mobile browser, and I receive dozens of notifications during a Mafia game. And once you look at one notification, it marks the rest as "read" so I had no clue the voting had started. How fucking hard is that to understand?
And nowhere in the thread does it say a 24 hour timeline, but you arbitrarily chose that length and had it fall over a weekend without soliciting any feedback. Now when I attempted to provide feedback, you get hardheaded and refuse to admit you did anything wrong.
This draft could have been kick ass and I had ton of ideas to make it better, but it became obvious early on that that wasn't going to happen.
And I was far from the only one that pushed the boundary of the rules in the game, I just happened to be one of the last to jump the shark and was outspoken...i guess the rules and treatment of others just applies differently around here depending on your perceived status...
My point is that you posted more than a dozen times during the window that voting was open. You were tagged. You have no excuse not to have voted.
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To dispel your other claim:
I never denied that I posted, but dealing with Mafia is a completely different beast and that was my focus. And I never saw the notification for the draft because I only go onto Inforoo on my mobile browser, and I receive dozens of notifications during a Mafia game. And once you look at one notification, it marks the rest as "read" so I had no clue the voting had started. How fucking hard is that to understand?
And nowhere in the thread does it say a 24 hour timeline, but you arbitrarily chose that length and had it fall over a weekend without soliciting any feedback. Now when I attempted to provide feedback, you get hardheaded and refuse to admit you did anything wrong.
This draft could have been kick ass and I had ton of ideas to make it better, but it became obvious early on that that wasn't going to happen.
And I was far from the only one that pushed the boundary of the rules in the game, I just happened to be one of the last to jump the shark and was outspoken...i guess the rules and treatment of others just applies differently around he re depending on your perceived status...
My point is that you posted more than a dozen times during the window that voting was open. You were tagged. You have no excuse not to have voted.
Edit:
To dispel your other claim:
I never denied that I posted, but dealing with Mafia is a completely different beast and that was my focus. And I never saw the notification for the draft because I only go onto Inforoo on my mobile browser, and I receive dozens of notifications during a Mafia game. And once you look at one notification, it marks the rest as "read" so I had no clue the voting had started. How fucking hard is that to understand?
And nowhere in the thread does it say a 24 hour timeline, but you arbitrarily chose that length and had it fall over a weekend without soliciting any feedback. Now when I attempted to provide feedback, you get hardheaded and refuse to admit you did anything wrong.
This draft could have been kick ass and I had ton of ideas to make it better, but it became obvious early on that that wasn't going to happen.
And I was far from the only one that pushed the boundary of the rules in the game, I just happened to be one of the last to jump the shark and was outspoken...i guess the rules and treatment of others just applies differently around here depending on your perceived status...
I can't tell if you are really this self centered or you just like to argue on the internet but anyways, here goes...
I access the forum via mobile and pc my "new" notifications show until I view the page that they are on. Maybe it's just the systems that I work with or maybe it's just because I try to keep up with the things that surround my posts. Regardless, it's not on me to make sure that you are paying attention to events impacting your life. You chose to focus on Mafia. You chose not to scroll back through your notifications to see if there was anything else that required your attention. (Even they aren't marked as "new," they're still there.) It's on you, dude.
As far as the draft not being kick ass because people ignored your ideas, maybe the problem was that you were the only one that found your ideas kick ass? I mean, we put a ton of stuff up for discussion, poll and vote. That none of your kick ass ideas stuck may be more of an indictment on you than everybody else.
The rules were applied fairly to everyone. There was neither an overt nor covert effort to make you come in fourteenth in the first poll. The poll results were hidden until the poll was over so nobody would have any idea how you were performing.
I worked pretty hard to make the process as transparent and unbiased as possible. When people solicited advice, I gave them my opinion but told them that it would ultimately be decided by the group when we were polling. When the group voiced opinions for changes, we put it up to a group vote. I abstained from votes to allow a majority rule and to eliminate the possibility of my biasing the results. I communicated changes both in the threads and the OP. I frequently urged participants to double check my work. If you still feel that this game was unfairly and intentionally tilted against you then there's not much more I can do for you.
As far as the draft not being kick ass because people ignored your ideas, maybe the problem was that you were the only one that found your ideas kick ass? I mean, we put a ton of stuff up for discussion, poll and vote. That none of your kick ass ideas stuck may be more of an indictment on you than everybody else.
The rules were applied fairly to everyone. There was neither an overt nor covert effort to make you come in fourteenth in the first poll. The poll results were hidden until the poll was over so nobody would have any idea how you were performing.
I worked pretty hard to make the process as transparent and unbiased as possible. When people solicited advice, I gave them my opinion but told them that it would ultimately be decided by the group when we were polling. When the group voiced opinions for changes, we put it up to a group vote. I abstained from votes to allow a majority rule and to eliminate the possibility of my biasing the results. I communicated changes both in the threads and the OP. I frequently urged participants to double check my work. If you still feel that this game was unfairly and intentionally tilted against you then there's not much more I can do for you
I may be self-centered, but you're delusional. I proposed several ideas that were routinely ignored and never put to a poll. I suggested a different way to do the UDFAs, several people even mentioned they liked it; it was ignored. We talked ad-nauseum about the superjams, you made executive decision after executive decision, no polls. We even talked about SJ's not having headliners and the Bluegrass SJs, no polls. And sure enough there are SJs with headliners, no complaints. You think the rules were applied fairly and you were impartial but you were the one modifying the rules as you saw fit, and then one of the first to bitch and moan when I selected Bill Murray's performance, even when it got approved, hardly impartial. People bitched and moaned about my superjam, even though it was approved. Hardly impartial.
But I'm glad that you feel satisfied being the overlord of a popularity contest masquerading as a draft...
I'm not complaining about outcomes or draft order or anything, but there absolutely should have been more time to vote. I was in the thing and I didn't even see the poll until two hours before it closed. I would have preferred more time to vote on disputes, too - I was checking in most days and I was only able to vote on one dispute. I also would have preferred tournament style brackets w/ a wildcard round (like we did in Create-a-Fest when that was still around) than the current free-for-all.
It was the first time doing this, so there was bound to be a learning curve with things like timing, referees, etc. I think cdevaney has done a good job all things considered, but I'd like to see decisions made a bit more democratically next time.
