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Sounds good to me. I'll be at The War on Drugs tonight, so if anything drastic happens I'll probably miss it.
But I feel pretty set/cornered into this vote. At some point I thought I would get it back but the movement nixed that, and I'm afraid to move based on how people react to moves. I put my vote on LD before all the questions about the movement around him so I guess it's safe leaving it there. Nerd/ZIG (lol) could both be onto something about the timing, but they could also just be making stabs in the dark based on shaky evidence.
*before Thor switched his vote to ZIG and LLL switched to LD
I hate these kinds of day 1s. So much movement that probably means almost nothing (and not to mention probably a 2 townie runoff). I bet mafia are sitting back and laughing at us.
Maddog and JR are the two voters that have only voted 1 time so far in the game.
I hate these kinds of day 1s. So much movement that probably means almost nothing (and not to mention probably a 2 townie runoff). I bet mafia are sitting back and laughing at us.
Maddog and JR are the two voters that have only voted 1 time so far in the game.
tbf I haven't really had a chance other than to move, but after watching the reactions to LD I felt like any move from me would be "saving" LD. I feel like he's playing different than he did as inspector the last couple times, so I don't feel like he is (unless he's changed how he inspects), so it's also a safe choice if LLL is lying about that.
I hate these kinds of day 1s. So much movement that probably means almost nothing (and not to mention probably a 2 townie runoff). I bet mafia are sitting back and laughing at us.
Maddog and JR are the two voters that have only voted 1 time so far in the game.
For the purposes of the point I'm trying to get at here I'm not including revotes. Only purposeful vote switches. This game LD, fore, Thor, LLL, and nerd have all switched their votes. Some multiple times. Still trying to figure out how I feel about it but it's something I'm keeping note of.
I usually say "I'm town, and frequently targeted to be voted off in the first days, so at least you'll gather some information". I said it a little differently on purpose, namely to see if anyone who has a reason to take advantage of opportunism would.
lol when you're mafia
No. I say it when I am town too. It is one of my catch phrases, so I have to use it when I am Mafia too. Look back.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Also, Inspector, do not be a fool and waste a vote on me as LD requested.
Honestly, tend to agree with this. Last two times LD has been inspector his wild day one guesses have gotten everyone off track.
LD does pretty good as Inspector. He had you and thought to guess me last game as his first guess, and there wasn't really much to go one. Don't sleep on LD as Inspector.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Maddog and JR are the two voters that have only voted 1 time so far in the game.
For the purposes of the point I'm trying to get at here I'm not including revotes. Only purposeful vote switches. This game LD, fore, Thor, LLL, and nerd have all switched their votes. Some multiple times. Still trying to figure out how I feel about it but it's something I'm keeping note of.
Yeah, it is hard to weigh out who are Townies picking things up from what other players are saying, and how they are playing with what may be mafia saving one another, and still take into consideration the fact that many people get paranoid about making any sudden moves when they are Mafia.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Honestly, tend to agree with this. Last two times LD has been inspector his wild day one guesses have gotten everyone off track.
LD does pretty good as Inspector. He had you and thought to guess me last game as his first guess, and there wasn't really much to go one. Don't sleep on LD as Inspector.
well more to do with the "MD-Carini-Potent MVP" and the similar thing that happened when it was me/you/jr.
I'm not thrilled with the way this last runoff unfolded - the last person to vote is the one person whose vote is a given, so we get no new information. When there are three revoters, the first two votes don't really mean much because after the first person votes, the second one almost always evens it out. This gives the final vote more meaning because it's directly impactful and decides the round. This can be very useful in determining loyalties and vote patterns. But in this round the final vote was given to LD. That's unhelpful, and gives us nothing. Fore and Thor should have waited for LD to vote first, IMO.
well wouldn't that just be whoever voted second under the assumption LD is going to vote for LLL?
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 29, 2017 10:13:21 GMT -5
I personally think that if LD is a townie too, which he probably is knowing how day one's shake out most of the time, it is a wash who to keep in. LD has a good gut, although he can get unfocused, but he has a good gut. Just keep in mind down the line how we got here with it being LD and myself as the rounds go one and you can start to pick up patterns.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I'm not thrilled with the way this last runoff unfolded - the last person to vote is the one person whose vote is a given, so we get no new information. When there are three revoters, the first two votes don't really mean much because after the first person votes, the second one almost always evens it out. This gives the final vote more meaning because it's directly impactful and decides the round. This can be very useful in determining loyalties and vote patterns. But in this round the final vote was given to LD. That's unhelpful, and gives us nothing. Fore and Thor should have waited for LD to vote first, IMO.
well wouldn't that just be whoever voted second under the assumption LD is going to vote for LLL?
To an extent you're right, but if the second person waited for LD to vote first, then they're basically just giving themselves the final vote. That would read more Mafia-ish to me, because you'd think a townie would want to find out info about other players instead of giving themselves the power to decide the round. So it's a slight difference. But in either case, I don't think LD should have had the final vote.
well wouldn't that just be whoever voted second under the assumption LD is going to vote for LLL?
To an extent you're right, but if the second person waited for LD to vote first, then they're basically just giving themselves the final vote. That would read more Mafia-ish to me, because you'd think a townie would want to find out info about other players instead of giving themselves the power to decide the round. So it's a slight difference. But in either case, I don't think LD should have had the final vote.
But yes I agree that the onus is more on the first voter in this situation.
This might garner some attention to me, and I'm not crazy about who I'm about to be voting along with, but I'm uncomfortable with how this runoff has shaped up. Between LD moving off of Thor (onto ZIG), and Thor moving off of LD (also onto ZIG), to Thor now essentially setting up the circumstances to give LD a final vote...it doesn't feel right. I don't think they're Mafia working that brazenly together, but there's smoke, if not fire. And regardless, LLL really hasn't done anything worthy of being voted off as far as I can tell. Overall voting out LD just seems like the smarter choice here - if he's not Mafia, at the very least it's one less person that the Mafia can set up because of moves that some people find suspicious.
LD does pretty good as Inspector. He had you and thought to guess me last game as his first guess, and there wasn't really much to go one. Don't sleep on LD as Inspector.
well more to do with the "MD-Carini-Potent MVP" and the similar thing that happened when it was me/you/jr.
Potent was a smokescreen, hoping Mafia would whack SFA and I'd get two names confirmed. I guessed LLL.
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Hard to gauge anything really, but we've got two players voting for the same players twice Thor for LD, and Fore for LLL.
Fore is the only one of the movers/shakers who hasn't pushed for LD. Thor's vote for LLL seemed reactive at the time, but the two votes for LD are weird. LLL's voting partnered JR and switched to Fore for the sake of expanding, but that's honestly why I don't like voting partners, hard to tell if thats cover or not. The LD switch seems to be made reactionary to Thor's move off LD. Nerd's move to LD seemed to be based on the same idea as L's, but he gave a weird balance and moves to LLL instead of back to ZIG, when he could have just moved to LD next round. Jaz's votes seemed to fall out of the RO more, which seems less like he's trying to shape things, but then he makes a move on LD.
Everyone who has made a vote change has at one point voted for LLL.
I worked until after 1:00 AM last night, then had to get up at 6:00 AM to go to work. So I'm a little disconnected and hadn't read since I posted on page 4. I just caught up. I would be contemplating switching to LD right now if Jaz hadn't done it. One of the main reasons LLL is in this is because I was motionless and people stacked on top of me. I don't see any strong reason for LD to be the lynch either though.
At some point we have to learn this as town. There is an overwhelming pattern of who gets targeted in the first day's end run-offs. Sure, sometimes these 3 or 4 players are going to be Mafia. But more often than not it is going to be Mafia taking advantage of town's tendencies.
I used to be in every D1 runoff. Then you pointed out and it stopped happening. Irrelevant point to this game, but yeah.
I hate these kinds of day 1s. So much movement that probably means almost nothing (and not to mention probably a 2 townie runoff). I bet mafia are sitting back and laughing at us.
You say this, or something like this, every time you're mafia. Maybe you say it when you're town too, though, it's hard to recall since you're always mafia...
I hate these kinds of day 1s. So much movement that probably means almost nothing (and not to mention probably a 2 townie runoff). I bet mafia are sitting back and laughing at us.
You say this, or something like this, every time you're mafia. Maybe you say it when you're town too, though, it's hard to recall since you're always mafia...
You say this, or something like this, every time you're mafia. Maybe you say it when you're town too, though, it's hard to recall since you're always mafia...
Do you disagree with me though?
I think sitting back is the most common mafia strategy and applies to almost any game, except the insane mafia game (Zolah/Potent/Danbob).
Won't be able to check in before the deadline. I think it's a little odd that everyone is ok with LD being killed. No one has defended LD or questioned jaz saving LLL. Not even that I disagree with either move but it seems odd to me everyone is just ok with what's happening. Doesn't pass the smell test.
Won't be able to check in before the deadline. I think it's a little odd that everyone is ok with LD being killed. No one has defended LD or questioned jaz saving LLL. Not even that I disagree with either move but it seems odd to me everyone is just ok with what's happening. Doesn't pass the smell test.
i mean it's a split vote, so no not everyone is ok with it? the alternative is being ok with LLL being killed, and it seems that the majority seems to think that neither is really that suspicious.
but there's really nothing we can do at this point to rectify that. next round i want to take a better look at who did the most to shape this, fore and thor were both pretty influential in getting LD/ZIG/LLL into the RO's, but so were LD (making the switch to ZIG) and LLL (voted last rnd 2, expanded runoff rnd 1) to an extent.
me and jr have both been sitting on our first round vote and neither of those have dropped out, so that may bring some heat to us. I can't speak for JR, but I really haven't felt anything strongly enough to warrant a switch.
Won't be able to check in before the deadline. I think it's a little odd that everyone is ok with LD being killed. No one has defended LD or questioned jaz saving LLL. Not even that I disagree with either move but it seems odd to me everyone is just ok with what's happening. Doesn't pass the smell test.
I actually think we're better off killing LLL but I don't actually know either of her and LD's roles and it's not worth the backlash for me to "save" LD and switch to LLL.
At some point we have to learn this as town. There is an overwhelming pattern of who gets targeted in the first day's end run-offs. Sure, sometimes these 3 or 4 players are going to be Mafia. But more often than not it is going to be Mafia taking advantage of town's tendencies.
I used to be in every D1 runoff. Then you pointed out and it stopped happening. Irrelevant point to this game, but yeah.
Yeah, you are one of the players I was speaking of.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
