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Dropped out (dropped them out): Tainted (JR) Zolah (ZIG) Dan (Tainted) JR (ZIG)
Pushed forward (who pushed): JR (Viking, Maddog, Potent) Zolah (ZIG) Dan (JR, ZIG) Viking (Thor, Zolah, Tainted, ZIG)
as many votes as pablo has had (6), he has really only been setting up votes. Less so with Potent but pretty similar. ZIG has had a big hand in shaping this as is. Tainted, Zolah, ZIG, JR all seem to be pretty connected with dropping out/pushing forward.
(not sure what it means, but taking out the context [because people lie JR] and trying to find the weighted voting pattern)
This is pretty concise and helpful IMO. It also helps to highlight the people NOT involved in these moves - the ones who have sat back while others made moves. In this game, this would be myself, Thor, and Pablo. I also find it a little interesting that you and Potent are the only ones whose names only appear once in this data set, and they're both pushes on JR. I don't know what to make of it yet, but it stuck out to me.
Its arguable that I dropped out Zolah, but the situation had evened out before Zig made his switch.
Dropped out (dropped them out): Tainted (JR) Zolah (ZIG) Dan (Tainted) JR (ZIG)
Pushed forward (who pushed): JR (Viking, Maddog, Potent) Zolah (ZIG) Dan (JR, ZIG) Viking (Thor, Zolah, Tainted, ZIG)
as many votes as pablo has had (6), he has really only been setting up votes. Less so with Potent but pretty similar. ZIG has had a big hand in shaping this as is. Tainted, Zolah, ZIG, JR all seem to be pretty connected with dropping out/pushing forward.
(not sure what it means, but taking out the context [because people lie JR] and trying to find the weighted voting pattern)
I find this interesting, as well.
ZIG was involved in 5 "major" moves, yet he only has 12 posts total. He looks like a wizard behind a curtain based on this data. Do you think that he is a good wizard or a bad wizard?
Odd ending to your post though. Do you call me out specifically because both times my name appears in parenthesis I explained my actions and you suspect I could be lying? Or are you trying to rekindle the same suspicion townies may have had of me that they let go?
I'm not up to anything. Taking out context and just looking at the vote history it looks dumb with the flopping.
"Taking out of context" seems more accurate. I jump at minor suspicion on Day 1 because it's all we have. How dumb of me. Have you ever tried to actually scum hunt, rather than find something you don't like and attack it to the detriment of town? As town (which you may or may not be) you're garbage, because you suck at actually looking for mafia, so you just nitpick other townies to death.
Gotta agree with JR here. From Viking clearing zig so early to the power he’s had over the game he’s definitely raised some red flags.
I never cleared ZIG. I said he felt town based on how everything else was aligning at the time.
He had 3 posts then. Given his next 9, and the work done by Jimma, I have reversed that and believe he may be mafia.
This could be my last post if things do not change. If so, good luck town. We have a good start at it, but remember with 6 v 3, the mafia have a huge advantage over us. Remember D1, reread, and don't let them spin you.
Gotta agree with JR here. From Viking clearing zig so early to the power he’s had over the game he’s definitely raised some red flags.
I never cleared ZIG. I said he felt town based on how everything else was aligning at the time.
He had 3 posts then. Given his next 9, and the work done by Jimma, I have reversed that and believe he may be mafia.
This could be my last post if things do not change. If so, good luck town. We have a good start at it, but remember with 6 v 3, the mafia have a huge advantage over us. Remember D1, reread, and don't let them spin you.
Ok thanks for clearing that up. I definitely need a reread. I have some thoughts but I think it may be better to wait until after the whack.
Gotta agree with JR here. From Viking clearing zig so early to the power he’s had over the game he’s definitely raised some red flags.
I never cleared ZIG. I said he felt town based on how everything else was aligning at the time.
He had 3 posts then. Given his next 9, and the work done by Jimma, I have reversed that and believe he may be mafia.
This could be my last post if things do not change. If so, good luck town. We have a good start at it, but remember with 6 v 3, the mafia have a huge advantage over us. Remember D1, reread, and don't let them spin you.
So you suspect Zolah and ZIG as likely mafia? Anyone you suspect as town? Any other potential parting thoughts? If you're town I think the game benefits more from your analytical skills than mine going into day 2, but when you're mafia, you nasty...
"Taking out of context" seems more accurate. I jump at minor suspicion on Day 1 because it's all we have. How dumb of me. Have you ever tried to actually scum hunt, rather than find something you don't like and attack it to the detriment of town? As town (which you may or may not be) you're garbage, because you suck at actually looking for mafia, so you just nitpick other townies to death.
I never cleared ZIG. I said he felt town based on how everything else was aligning at the time.
He had 3 posts then. Given his next 9, and the work done by Jimma, I have reversed that and believe he may be mafia.
This could be my last post if things do not change. If so, good luck town. We have a good start at it, but remember with 6 v 3, the mafia have a huge advantage over us. Remember D1, reread, and don't let them spin you.
So you suspect Zolah and ZIG as likely mafia? Anyone you suspect as town? Any other potential parting thoughts? If you're town I think the game benefits more from your analytical skills than mine going into day 2, but when you're mafia, you nasty...
Yes on those 2 as mafia, but respectfully declining to divulge my list again. Not because I don't want to say it, but because it provides ample fodder for the mafia especially if I am wrong. (See ZIG example) When I am not here to clarify and explain, people who do not reread would think I cleared him, instead of just had a feeling.
Honestly, it is all here in the thread. The town should be able to win this one. Trust your guts, reread, look for allies, etc. Not going to beg for my life. It will be 3 v 6 after today, but I have confidence in you guys. (Since the only woman is mafia)
So you suspect Zolah and ZIG as likely mafia? Anyone you suspect as town? Any other potential parting thoughts? If you're town I think the game benefits more from your analytical skills than mine going into day 2, but when you're mafia, you nasty...
Yes on those 2 as mafia, but respectfully declining to divulge my list again. Not because I don't want to say it, but because it provides ample fodder for the mafia especially if I am wrong. (See ZIG example) When I am not here to clarify and explain, people who do not reread would think I cleared him, instead of just had a feeling.
Honestly, it is all here in the thread. The town should be able to win this one. Trust your guts, reread, look for allies, etc. Not going to beg for my life. It will be 3 v 6 after today, but I have confidence in you guys. (Since the only woman is mafia)
Says the guy who came at me first with a lie, then called me a cheater, then refused to answer my question multiple times. Either you are mafia, sir, or you are completely in left field.
Potent, Jaz, ZIG, Thor still in single digit comments.
Jaz, ZIG, Thor, Tainted still under 20, pablo just makes it, but if you take out posts involving round closures it drops (similarly a good amount of thors are in there as well).
Potent, Jaz, ZIG, Thor still in single digit comments.
Jaz, ZIG, Thor, Tainted still under 20, pablo just makes it, but if you take out posts involving round closures it drops (similarly a good amount of thors are in there as well).
I feel like there's almost always a quiet mafia. Last game there were 2. Does anyone have data on this?
Yes on those 2 as mafia, but respectfully declining to divulge my list again. Not because I don't want to say it, but because it provides ample fodder for the mafia especially if I am wrong. (See ZIG example) When I am not here to clarify and explain, people who do not reread would think I cleared him, instead of just had a feeling.
Honestly, it is all here in the thread. The town should be able to win this one. Trust your guts, reread, look for allies, etc. Not going to beg for my life. It will be 3 v 6 after today, but I have confidence in you guys. (Since the only woman is mafia)
Says the guy who came at me first with a lie, then called me a cheater, then refused to answer my question multiple times. Either you are mafia, sir, or you are completely in left field.
Zolah, you are so full of shit. All someone has to do is reread to see it. You tried to spin what I said, you lied, then you cited your own lies and explained that "I was kinda close to saying what you said I said". I answered all of your questions, and I never called you a cheater.
There were a couple rules that were officially added or re-added in mafia 101. I noticed they weren't on JR's game 109 so I did tell him to edit them because I thought LD would copy and paste and they'd be missing from here too. If you go back to mafia 108, you'll notice rules 15-17 are missing.
I mean, I stopped talking about that last night. You and JR keep bringing it up. I am more interested in why he voted prior to the names being linked in Mafia 105 (second vote there too) but 5 games later, treats it like a mortal crime. He was a townie in that game. Maybe it was a more carefree time in his life, or maybe it is something more...
first....zolah was not super clear that she talked to jr about the rules prior to roles being given. jr's post about it says you told him the night before, but we got roles the night before. and in the context of jr calling out dan for cheating, it is fair to imply that JR and you having a conversation out of game is bad. unfortunately that links you to it. i feel like had you commented in the 110 thread "LD, JR forgot rules x through y, please add" you don't have that issue.
second..."you and jr keep bringing it up", jr brought it up frequently, you brought it up once, but viking didn't say Zolah keeps bringing it up, he made a connection because you came to his defense.
I don't think that either of those are necessarily lies, or baseless accusations. the thing about not answering your questions, sure, but its not that unusual that people will respond with cryptic bullshit as town (Carini last game for example), and in a game where we have a qtr of the players barely involved, idk that that is something to lynch over.
Says the guy who came at me first with a lie, then called me a cheater, then refused to answer my question multiple times. Either you are mafia, sir, or you are completely in left field.
Zolah, you are so full of shit. All someone has to do is reread to see it. You tried to spin what I said, you lied, then you cited your own lies and explained that "I was kinda close to saying what you said I said". I answered all of your questions, and I never called you a cheater.
I am looking forward to watching you die.
The exact opposite of this is true. I posted your lies. You keep trying to spin it around and twist everything or you just chuckle and not respond.
I mean, I stopped talking about that last night. You and JR keep bringing it up. I am more interested in why he voted prior to the names being linked in Mafia 105 (second vote there too) but 5 games later, treats it like a mortal crime. He was a townie in that game. Maybe it was a more carefree time in his life, or maybe it is something more...
first....zolah was not super clear that she talked to jr about the rules prior to roles being given. jr's post about it says you told him the night before, but we got roles the night before. and in the context of jr calling out dan for cheating, it is fair to imply that JR and you having a conversation out of game is bad. unfortunately that links you to it. i feel like had you commented in the 110 thread "LD, JR forgot rules x through y, please add" you don't have that issue.
second..."you and jr keep bringing it up", jr brought it up frequently, you brought it up once, but viking didn't say Zolah keeps bringing it up, he made a connection because you came to his defense.
I don't think that either of those are necessarily lies, or baseless accusations. the thing about not answering your questions, sure, but its not that unusual that people will respond with cryptic bullshit as town (Carini last game for example), and in a game where we have a qtr of the players barely involved, idk that that is something to lynch over.
That's fair. This was the post I was attacked over though...
There were a couple rules that were officially added or re-added in mafia 101. I noticed they weren't on JR's game 109 so I did tell him to edit them because I thought LD would copy and paste and they'd be missing from here too. If you go back to mafia 108, you'll notice rules 15-17 are missing.
^ I mentioned it because LD hadn't started the game yet, and wanted to make sure all the rules would be on 110.
first....zolah was not super clear that she talked to jr about the rules prior to roles being given. jr's post about it says you told him the night before, but we got roles the night before. and in the context of jr calling out dan for cheating, it is fair to imply that JR and you having a conversation out of game is bad. unfortunately that links you to it. i feel like had you commented in the 110 thread "LD, JR forgot rules x through y, please add" you don't have that issue.
second..."you and jr keep bringing it up", jr brought it up frequently, you brought it up once, but viking didn't say Zolah keeps bringing it up, he made a connection because you came to his defense.
I don't think that either of those are necessarily lies, or baseless accusations. the thing about not answering your questions, sure, but its not that unusual that people will respond with cryptic bullshit as town (Carini last game for example), and in a game where we have a qtr of the players barely involved, idk that that is something to lynch over.
That's fair. This was the post I was attacked over though...
There were a couple rules that were officially added or re-added in mafia 101. I noticed they weren't on JR's game 109 so I did tell him to edit them because I thought LD would copy and paste and they'd be missing from here too. If you go back to mafia 108, you'll notice rules 15-17 are missing.
^ I mentioned it because LD hadn't started the game yet, and wanted to make sure all the rules would be on 110.
right, but you should have done it in thread, not the night before at an indiscriminate time when roles went out that night.
It seems this whole thing blew up because these rules were added in between games:
15) Persons not directly involved in the game (i.e. not the ref or a player) are requested to keep posts to a minimum. Use common sense.
16) Locking: If all players who are not in jeopardy of being lynched lock, the round will end. Until this happens, locked players have the option of changing their votes. In a D5 scenario, 2 locks will be required to end the day.
17) Do not edit your posts. No editing of your posts, under any circumstances, is allowed.
Zolah, you are so full of shit. All someone has to do is reread to see it. You tried to spin what I said, you lied, then you cited your own lies and explained that "I was kinda close to saying what you said I said". I answered all of your questions, and I never called you a cheater.
I am looking forward to watching you die.
The exact opposite of this is true. I posted your lies. You keep trying to spin it around and twist everything or you just chuckle and not respond.
Lol like a child that has lost an arguement. "I know what you are but what am I?" As I said several times, keep digging.
That's fair. This was the post I was attacked over though... ^ I mentioned it because LD hadn't started the game yet, and wanted to make sure all the rules would be on 110.
right, but you should have done it in thread, not the night before at an indiscriminate time when roles went out that night.
This. And I never said you cheated. I said it was 1 of 2 options (and artificially contained it to those 2 when there were several more). 1, yes you did cheat, or 2 you are mafia together. And I accepted that you didnt cheat, so it had to be 2.
The weird thing is that you never corrected me for that. For all the other attacks you have made, you never once commented on this and instead chose to pick around the edges of the comment. This is why I have been all over you all game.
People talk about past games in between games. People PM refs digging for info when they aren't even involved in the game. Me telling him he missed rules in between the games is some serious mountains out of molehills. I could have told him on the thread, but I didn't know what site he was on at the time. We don't see each other's screens.
People talk about past games in between games. People PM refs digging for info when they aren't even involved in the game. Me telling him he missed rules in between the games is some serious mountains out of molehills. I could have told him on the thread, but I didn't know what site he was on at the time. We don't see each other's screens.
I'm not saying what you did was cheating, and am giving you the benefit. but JR bringing up that you told him right after JR accuses dan of cheating, for doing something he did in a prior game, it is 100% fair to say the same about him. you also didn't need to let JR know, again, you could have pm'd LD, you could have posted in 109 for LD, you could have made a comment before/after dans vote, you could have not said anything and said today "hey these rules are missing", you also could have not mentioned anything about it, but you both chose to.
Current Votes: JR - 5 (Danbob, Viking, Maddog, Potent, Pablo) Viking - 6 (Jaz, Thor, Zolah, Tainted, JR, Zig)
So, Last and best leave behind. I believe Zolah and JR are both Mafia with ZIG. I am shakiest on JR, but given Zolah's comments and the general feel about him others have, he is in the mix. Looking at the above, I will guarantee I have 2 mafia votes on me atm. You have no way to know that I am actually a townie, but this is my last opus and if I was/am close, they will be trying to have the town kill me off.
I believe ZIG really wanted Pablo to come to the conclusion I was mafia and cast the 6th vote, but when he voted for JR, ZIG was forced to vote for me. That makes Pablo likely town, and potentially means all 3 mafia votes are me.
Look at where the votes stand at this point and think about what has been said in thread. You guys can do this.
I’ll say this. Between Viking and jr - jr has definitely been the more suspicious. I can’t help but to think that the only reason he has/got votes is for his playing style and less because he’s done anything suspicious. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m leaning town on Viking and I think out of his and zolahs exchange zolah comes out the more suspicious (although not necessarily Mafia). I’m not saying that I agree with his theory - in fact I don’t but I’m gonna wait until after the whack to expand. I think that lynching jr here is the pro town move.
