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This is one example of you spinning in order to accuse Zolah of lying. You've said she kept bringing the issue up, and she clarified that she only did so once. To say that someone keeps doing something implies persistence, which does not correspond with Zolah saying something about it once. Spin. Though to be fair, this is equally pedantic on her part as well. I have no issues with your explanation of it being a "verbal trip", etc, but she refuted your point (multiple times) and you steamrolled over her explanation even though her refutation is correct. She only mentioned the rules thing once, which is indeed different from "keep bringing it up", as you said. Perhaps this is pedantry on my part as well, but it's what I saw as being possible spin. I had thought I picked this up from you multiple times, but after I reread I realized it was just you and Zolah arguing the same point over multiple posts. I fully admit it's not much for me to go off of in regards to you - it's just what has stuck out to me.
Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. Getting kind of tried of playing this game again honestly.
Kill me if you want. Going to be posting a lot less if I live. Too many people with preconceived notions. Note, you will be killing a townie. I'll just keep my opinions to myself just like everyone else.
Viking gets proven wrong about his lies and takes a victim angle, becomes more quiet.
The next vote after this tally was posted, Tainted 3-stacked you.
Oh yeah I know but he didn’t push me into the next runoff. Later JR and potent switched off of me and I was about to drop out but then JR switched back into me to get me back in. His stack to three didn’t push me forward - if anything for a time it pushed me backward.
Your avatar is of who again? Toughen up. This isn't a game for delicate sensibilities, and I'm not even accusing either of you of being mafia. We are down to a 1v1, regardless. You've talked and contributed and defended yourself, something I don't equate to being mafia (contrary to the consensus). Viking has prematurely declared defeat and a lack of desire to continue caring so much about the game and being of such great use to town - something I do equate to being non town. You guys both are on an even scale as it stands, so now is a great time to be concise in defending yourself.
Tainted says he suspects JR is acting like a townie and Viking is acting like a non-townie.
I’ll say this. Between Viking and jr - jr has definitely been the more suspicious. I can’t help but to think that the only reason he has/got votes is for his playing style and less because he’s done anything suspicious. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m leaning town on Viking and I think out of his and zolahs exchange zolah comes out the more suspicious (although not necessarily Mafia). I’m not saying that I agree with his theory - in fact I don’t but I’m gonna wait until after the whack to expand. I think that lynching jr here is the pro town move.
Danbob backing up Viking, saying he leans town to him
Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. Getting kind of tried of playing this game again honestly.
Kill me if you want. Going to be posting a lot less if I live. Too many people with preconceived notions. Note, you will be killing a townie. I'll just keep my opinions to myself just like everyone else.
Viking gets proven wrong about his lies and takes a victim angle, becomes more quiet.
Jimmy, you do realize this was discussed at length and I was never proven wrong? Multiple people actually agreed with me and it was made worse by Zolah s actions later in the day.
The next vote after this tally was posted, Tainted 3-stacked you.
Oh yeah I know but he didn’t push me into the next runoff. Later JR and potent switched off of me and I was about to drop out but then JR switched back into me to get me back in. His stack to three didn’t push me forward - if anything for a time it pushed me backward.
Fair point. I was talking about him pushing you ahead with votes, hence the tally I posted.
Viking gets proven wrong about his lies and takes a victim angle, becomes more quiet.
Jimmy, you do realize this was discussed at length and I was never proven wrong? Multiple people actually agreed with me and it was made worse by Zolah s actions later in the day.
No one agreed with you. Quote one post where someone agrees with you.
Huh?!?! I’m confused how tainteds stack implicates me. Tainted’s stack makes more sense if JR is the given name rather than me. Inspector tainted could have voted along his given name to gauge the reactions. Also Mafia making it far into runoffs day 1 happens often enough that you can’t just assume the final runoff is town v town.
He could have voted along with a given name, fine. But why would mafia whack him then?
I’m trying to figure out what mafia would whack Tainted.
Still on page 7/8. Hard reading through all of Viking’s garbage back and forth with Zolah, Maddog jerking it to himself, and stoking of flames with JR.
I wanted to see if anyone would save viking, as well as how he would respond to my and the rest of the players actions.
Tainted > JR
Dan808, couldn’t this be Tainted voting alongside mafia?
Confused to what you’re trying to say. He switched to JR (potentially the given name). Makes sense from an inspector standpoint because if he votes for JR initially someone could have saved him and he would be powerless.
Jimmy, you do realize this was discussed at length and I was never proven wrong? Multiple people actually agreed with me and it was made worse by Zolah s actions later in the day.
No one agreed with you. Quote one post where someone agrees with you.
Or just go read the thread. You bitch when I quote then you ask me to quote.
You have always been one of the special needs players Jimmy. Good to see some things never change.
Dan808, couldn’t this be Tainted voting alongside mafia?
Confused to what you’re trying to say. He switched to JR (potentially the given name). Makes sense from an inspector standpoint because if he votes for JR initially someone could have saved him and he would be powerless.
He is trying to frame you and I as Mafia together. Let him finish. There is a giant, gaping hole in his argument that he is missing. Tough to believe he is an attorney, but sadly it is true.
Dan808, couldn’t this be Tainted voting alongside mafia?
Confused to what you’re trying to say. He switched to JR (potentially the given name). Makes sense from an inspector standpoint because if he votes for JR initially someone could have saved him and he would be powerless.
When I pointed out that Tainted 3-stacked you in D1, you replied that it could have simply been Tainted voting alongside mafia to keep cover.
Now I’m pointing to Tainted voting for JR in the last round and effectively saving Viking. Im asking you, is it possible Tainted for voting for JR to be voting alongside mafia and to keep cover?
Confused to what you’re trying to say. He switched to JR (potentially the given name). Makes sense from an inspector standpoint because if he votes for JR initially someone could have saved him and he would be powerless.
When I pointed out that Tainted 3-stacked you in D1, you replied that it could have simply been Tainted voting alongside mafia to keep cover.
Now I’m pointing to Tainted voting for JR in the last round and effectively saving Viking. Im asking you, is it possible Tainted for voting for JR to be voting alongside mafia and to keep cover?
Ohhhh I see what you’re saying. I guess it’s possible but he obviously didn’t do a good job finding cover since he got whacked. May need a reread.
Dna and potent are both players that I know that vote/have been voted for/by fellow mafia. If tainted had either of potent, jr, or danbobs name, it makes sense he'd vote danbob.
As far as it being a misdirect goes, I would think me, viking, Dan would have been the misdirect whack, based on the back and forths.
Tainted made the same move bumping to three he did last time and it got him killed so I'm not sold he was inspector again doing the exact same thing. But his moves around Viking, dan, and jr, also his little bit with zig at the end, seems like enough of a pattern to think that.
Or just go read the thread. You bitch when I quote then you ask me to quote.
You have always been one of the special needs players Jimmy. Good to see some things never change.
I just read the entire thread. No one said, “I agree with Viking, Zolah was lying.”
I can’t quote something that doesn’t exist.
Another Viking lie exposed.
Good try there Jimmy. You are correct that quote does not exist. But there are several where they agree with where I was coming from. So no, your manufactured line does not exist for obvious reasons but the remains that there was support.
But keep spinning. It is fun watching you step on your dick.
At this point it’s clear to me the Tainted whack points to 3 players. Tainted made a power move 3-stack on Danbob earlier in day one. Even though Danbob was facing a straight vote-off, Tainted refused to remove his vote from Danbob, hoping to find out who would move their vote off Dan. Interestingly, JR was one of the guys on Danbob. Maybe Tainted was looking to see if JR would save Danbob.
Next, Tainted explicitly says that he thinks JR is playing more like a townie, and Viking is playing more like non-townie. That’s directly pointing at Viking, and I do not believe Tainted made any other explicit posts saying someone leans town/mafia to him (please correct me if I’m wrong).
Finally, Tainted saves Viking and switches to JR, doing in JR. Naturally this points to JR, who is dead, but may nonetheless have been mafia. This also directly contradicts his earlier post that JR is looking more like town than Viking. He later states it was a ploy to see if anyone else would save Viking (which also doesn’t make sense to me, but whatever).
Interesting that no one has suggested a “misdirection” whack. If JR was a mafia, then Tainted is a great whack because JR is already dead and Tainted could otherwise point to two unrelated players (Viking and Danbob).
Thoughts on this, people?
I’m curious what ZIG/JAZ/Zolah think in particular.
I also still thinking Viking is a lying sack of shit, regardless if he’s town here or not.
I just read the entire thread. No one said, “I agree with Viking, Zolah was lying.”
I can’t quote something that doesn’t exist.
Another Viking lie exposed.
Good try there Jimmy. You are correct that quote does not exist. But there are several where they agree with where I was coming from. So no, your manufactured line does not exist for obvious reasons but the remains that there was support.
But keep spinning. It is fun watching you step on your dick.
No one agreed with you that Zolah was lying. Quote or STFU on this point.
^i was still typing my theory above before I saw Maddogs post using the word misdirection. I believe me and him are the first ones to even mention it. Odd it took so long to even be mentioned.
I’m going to put my money where my mouth is. I think JR was probably mafia, meaning there is a good chance 1, if not both, of the other mafia were voting for Viking to finish the round. That leaves myself, ZIG, Zolah, and Jaz (JR is dead). I know I’m not town and I do get somewhat of a town vibe from Jaz just because he’s trying hard to be sensible and not sensationalist like some other players that were heavily involving in back-and-forth D1 argument. I’m also somewhat concerned about Zolah trying to ease the pressure on JR in D1 and going after Danbob based on the whack. Not a lock by any stretch that she’s mafia but I want ZIG/Zolah/Jaz in the runoff.
At this point it’s clear to me the Tainted whack points to 3 players. Tainted made a power move 3-stack on Danbob earlier in day one. Even though Danbob was facing a straight vote-off, Tainted refused to remove his vote from Danbob, hoping to find out who would move their vote off Dan. Interestingly, JR was one of the guys on Danbob. Maybe Tainted was looking to see if JR would save Danbob.
Next, Tainted explicitly says that he thinks JR is playing more like a townie, and Viking is playing more like non-townie. That’s directly pointing at Viking, and I do not believe Tainted made any other explicit posts saying someone leans town/mafia to him (please correct me if I’m wrong).
Finally, Tainted saves Viking and switches to JR, doing in JR. Naturally this points to JR, who is dead, but may nonetheless have been mafia. This also directly contradicts his earlier post that JR is looking more like town than Viking. He later states it was a ploy to see if anyone else would save Viking (which also doesn’t make sense to me, but whatever).
Interesting that no one has suggested a “misdirection” whack. If JR was a mafia, then Tainted is a great whack because JR is already dead and Tainted could otherwise point to two unrelated players (Viking and Danbob).
Thoughts on this, people?
I’m curious what ZIG/JAZ/Zolah think in particular.
I also still thinking Viking is a lying sack of shit, regardless if he’s town here or not.
I'm at work so I'm still getting caught up, but in general I don't think Day 1 whacks are misdirection unless the Mafia has absolutely no clue who to whack - and in that case, they're usually better off voting for one of the more dangerous townies. A couple games back I was Mafia with ZIG, and our Day 1 whack pointed directly at him - and all the townies thought it was misdirection for some reason. They actually thought I was suspicious for suggesting that it wasn't misdirection. As Mafia the primary aim is to kill the Inspector. So I don't think they were going for a misdirection, and if they were, I don't think they would have chosen to whack Tainted. So I think it was something that Tainted did or said.
After going through Tainted's posts, I don't think he had JR's name. His comment about thinking JR sounded like a townie doesn't really jibe with that idea. He did become more suspicious of JR as the Day progressed, but his posts read to me more like a townie's thoughts evolving on a player than him being an Inspector with a name.
And as for Viking, sure Tainted expressed suspicion of him - but then switched off of him to kill JR at the end of the Day. There's no way he'd have done that if he had Viking's name. Doesn't mean Viking (or JR) aren't Mafia, but I don't think either of them were Tainted's given name if Tainted was Inspector.
I agree with you about the three people the whack points to as far as Tainted's comments are concerned. If he had one of those three, I think it's most likely Danbob. Otherwise, I think it's more likely the Mafia thought he had the name of you, Zolah, or ZIG, and his final vote was just to vote opposite of his given name.
^i was still typing my theory above before I saw Maddogs post using the word misdirection. I believe me and him are the first ones to even mention it. Odd it took so long to even be mentioned.
I feel like most whacks I've made as mafia have been in that vein, but generally that person is more on someone else or just said nothing substantial at all, Taint is kind of in the middle of that to me so I'm not sure how to take it
To clarify, Jaz, when I say misdirection, that’s probably not the best term.
If JR was mafia and Viking/Dan are not, then it’s a good whack by the mafia because it kills a potential inspector (given his late kill on JR) and would misdirect towards non-mafia players in Danbob/Viking.
Either way, I respect your viewpoint, and ultimately agree that the Viking voters should be the people in the runoff in day 2.
Jaz, what’s your take on Tainted’s 3-stack of Danbob. Do you see any merit to my theory that perhaps he wanted to see if JR would move Hisnvote off Danbob? If Tainted had JR as a given name, I could see his concern that perhaps Danbob/JR were distancing with all their D1 garbage; hence why Tainted would want to see if JR would ultimately move his vote from Danbob or leave it there.
