Whether it's your first Bonnaroo or you’re a music festival veteran, we welcome you to Inforoo.
Here you'll find info about artists, rumors, camping tips, and the infamous Roo Clues. Have a look around then create an account and join in the fun. See you at Bonnaroo!!
fwiw zig tunneling into me is making me very uncomfortable about the whole situation and it's looking likely that I'm going to be left alive for the final so that whoever is actually mafia is less suspicious than me.
I really don’t see how Mad dog and Viking could both be Mafia. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Won’t be locking until both zolah and Thor place their votes.
This was from Page 21. The only two players that have floated the Pablo is faking possibility since his reveal have geen Maddog and Viking.
If you believe Jaz - mad dog - Viking is the Mafia combo why would they whack tainted?
Misdirection. We know Pablo was the inspector and he was extremely well hidden on Day 1. My guess is they wanted to have the Day 2 focus on the Day 1 Viking voters which is what happened until the Pablo reveal. There’s of course the chance JR was Mafia, but I don’t really look at the dead players and assume they are Mafia because I think that’s how you get into the tunnel vision. I prefer to assume they are town and that we have the maximum # of Mafia left alive and build my theories from there.
The one JR theory that could make sense would be Jaz - JR - Maddog. If this were true, it would be hilarious because it would mean Viking and I are both equally right and wrong.
And before you dismiss a Misdirection, I’m also talking about a Maddog and Viking both of whom have either been successful as Mafia (both) or continue to make unconventional Mafia moves (Viking Day 1 fake reveals, bullying, etc).
If you believe Jaz - mad dog - Viking is the Mafia combo why would they whack tainted?
Misdirection. We know Pablo was the inspector and he was extremely well hidden on Day 1. My guess is they wanted to have the Day 2 focus on the Day 1 Viking voters which is what happened until the Pablo reveal. There’s of course the chance JR was Mafia, but I don’t really look at the dead players and assume they are Mafia because I think that’s how you get into the tunnel vision. I prefer to assume they are town and that we have the maximum # of Mafia left alive and build my theories from there.
The one JR theory that could make sense would be Jaz - JR - Maddog. If this were true, it would be hilarious because it would mean Viking and I are both equally right and wrong.
And before you dismiss a Misdirection, I’m also talking about a Maddog and Viking both of whom have either been successful as Mafia (both) or continue to make unconventional Mafia moves (Viking Day 1 fake reveals, bullying, etc).
12) AKA The Bek Rule: Players who have been eliminated are still welcome to post in this thread, but they may not say anything leading to any knowledge, suspicions or opinions you might have.
8) Nights will last 6-18 hours, at the ref's discretion. Nights do not follow the weekend rule and will end once the 6-18 hours are completed unless extended by the referee.s concluded.
First, we had a night that lasted only 2 hours, when we should have had a minimum of 6 hours. Second, I was typing a response and was unaware the night would be ending early against the rules put in place. Quit being a little bitch, Maddog.
8) Nights will last 6-18 hours, at the ref's discretion. Nights do not follow the weekend rule and will end once the 6-18 hours are completed unless extended by the referee.s concluded.
First, we had a night that lasted only 2 hours, when we should have had a minimum of 6 hours. Second, I was typing a response and was unaware the night would be ending early against the rules put in place. Quit being a little bitch, Maddog.
SHUT YOUR FACE
(also that little paragraph and a half took 13 minutes?)
Ignore the troll. Like all of his kind, he is a bit dimwitted, but he will feed off your anger. Besides, it is daytime; he will turn to stone soon enough. And when we are victorious, it will be all the more glorious to watch him shatter into a million tiny pieces just like the Frey book.
To clear a few things up that he mentioned;
1 - My questioning of Pablo. Anyone who does not have their head in their ass can easily see the other posts I made, where I was out and wanted to reread prior to saying I believed him. Once I reread several hours later, it was clear that he was likely the inspector. All the detail lined up, and once I flipped over, Jaz immediately stopped posting. For all those who immediately jumped on, skepticism and asking the other side to speak is good. Once I saw what Jaz said I was much more confident in Pablo.
2 - Belief Zolah is mafia. It is not just a day 1 thing at this point. Posting a length post on 1/3 outlining her relationship to Jaz and why. (I will quote after this post. It is long and I didnt want to clutter the summary.) I was pretty clear yesterday about why her not voting was a telling sign.
3 - ZIG fap scenario of Maddog, Myself and Pablo being inspector. I mean seriously? Why would I whack Tainted after he essentially saves me Day 1? Why would I work so hard to convince Maddog not to kill ZIG? Why to 100 different things in this game? Plus, there was 0 value to fake revealing then if it was the 3 of us. None of us was in real danger on Day 2 when Pablo faked. This is why you never go full ZIG. But if there are lingering doubts specific to ZIG's insanity, I am happy to resolve them.
Now that those things are resolved,
Viking >>> Zolah
The time has come for you to meet your fellow mafia members in death. We can do this the easy way or the painful way. You just come out, admit it, commit suidide, and die now. OR I break out the filleting knives, making this slow and painful. Either way works. I enjoy the tears of infinite sadness.
12) AKA The Bek Rule: Players who have been eliminated are still welcome to post in this thread, but they may not say anything leading to any knowledge, suspicions or opinions you might have.
According to the rules, I am allowed to post as long as I am not giving anything away to the game. As previously stated, I began working on the post in question prior to my death and posted it. Upon posting, my mobile flipped me from Page 35 to Page 36 which then prompted me about my death. After seeing that I was then dead, I apologized immediately as I would normal not post about the game after my death, however, I also commented that the night should not have lasted only 2 hours and that was against the rules. That artificial shortening of the night negatively impacted me as it deprived me of a minimum of 4 additional hours to continue posting about the game.
Ignore the troll. Like all of his kind, he is a bit dimwitted, but he will feed off your anger. Besides, it is daytime; he will turn to stone soon enough. And when we are victorious, it will be all the more glorious to watch him shatter into a million tiny pieces just like the Frey book.
To clear a few things up that he mentioned;
1 - My questioning of Pablo. Anyone who does not have their head in their ass can easily see the other posts I made, where I was out and wanted to reread prior to saying I believed him. Once I reread several hours later, it was clear that he was likely the inspector. All the detail lined up, and once I flipped over, Jaz immediately stopped posting. For all those who immediately jumped on, skepticism and asking the other side to speak is good. Once I saw what Jaz said I was much more confident in Pablo.
2 - Belief Zolah is mafia. It is not just a day 1 thing at this point. Posting a length post on 1/3 outlining her relationship to Jaz and why. (I will quote after this post. It is long and I didnt want to clutter the summary.) I was pretty clear yesterday about why her not voting was a telling sign.
3 - ZIG fap scenario of Maddog, Myself and Pablo being inspector. I mean seriously? Why would I whack Tainted after he essentially saves me Day 1? Why would I work so hard to convince Maddog not to kill ZIG? Why to 100 different things in this game? Plus, there was 0 value to fake revealing then if it was the 3 of us. None of us was in real danger on Day 2 when Pablo faked. This is why you never go full ZIG. But if there are lingering doubts specific to ZIG's insanity, I am happy to resolve them.
Now that those things are resolved,
Viking >>> Zolah
The time has come for you to meet your fellow mafia members in death. We can do this the easy way or the painful way. You just come out, admit it, commit suidide, and die now. OR I break out the filleting knives, making this slow and painful. Either way works. I enjoy the tears of infinite sadness.
Believe it or not, I haven’t even been online since your douchy stripper comment.
While I don’t think Viking and MD are mafia together, I do believe one of them is. Going with the guy who advocated to kill town and set forth faking theories. Go ahead and vote me out Maddog. It’s all set. I’m more than happy to go on D4 myself so I don’t have to make the decision on D5.
While I don’t think Viking and MD are mafia together, I do believe one of them is. Going with the guy who advocated to kill town and set forth faking theories. Go ahead and vote me out Maddog. It’s all set. I’m more than happy to go on D4 myself so I don’t have to make the decision on D5.
While I don’t think Viking and MD are mafia together, I do believe one of them is. Going with the guy who advocated to kill town and set forth faking theories. Go ahead and vote me out Maddog. It’s all set. I’m more than happy to go on D4 myself so I don’t have to make the decision on D5.
I’m going to need to do a re-read but it’s looking like Zolah is going to be the lynch regardless of my vote
You know where I stand on her, but as I have asked several times, if someone can punch a hole in my theory, I am open to reconsider. Hence not locking.
Ignore the troll. Like all of his kind, he is a bit dimwitted, but he will feed off your anger. Besides, it is daytime; he will turn to stone soon enough. And when we are victorious, it will be all the more glorious to watch him shatter into a million tiny pieces just like the Frey book.
To clear a few things up that he mentioned;
1 - My questioning of Pablo. Anyone who does not have their head in their ass can easily see the other posts I made, where I was out and wanted to reread prior to saying I believed him. Once I reread several hours later, it was clear that he was likely the inspector. All the detail lined up, and once I flipped over, Jaz immediately stopped posting. For all those who immediately jumped on, skepticism and asking the other side to speak is good. Once I saw what Jaz said I was much more confident in Pablo.
2 - Belief Zolah is mafia. It is not just a day 1 thing at this point. Posting a length post on 1/3 outlining her relationship to Jaz and why. (I will quote after this post. It is long and I didnt want to clutter the summary.) I was pretty clear yesterday about why her not voting was a telling sign.
3 - ZIG fap scenario of Maddog, Myself and Pablo being inspector. I mean seriously? Why would I whack Tainted after he essentially saves me Day 1? Why would I work so hard to convince Maddog not to kill ZIG? Why to 100 different things in this game? Plus, there was 0 value to fake revealing then if it was the 3 of us. None of us was in real danger on Day 2 when Pablo faked. This is why you never go full ZIG. But if there are lingering doubts specific to ZIG's insanity, I am happy to resolve them.
Now that those things are resolved,
Viking >>> Zolah
The time has come for you to meet your fellow mafia members in death. We can do this the easy way or the painful way. You just come out, admit it, commit suidide, and die now. OR I break out the filleting knives, making this slow and painful. Either way works. I enjoy the tears of infinite sadness.
Waiting on Viking to do what he said he will do, and quote the allegedly damning post of Zolah that he says up there that he will quote for us all to see.
I’m going to need to do a re-read but it’s looking like Zolah is going to be the lynch regardless of my vote
You know where I stand on her, but as I have asked several times, if someone can punch a hole in my theory, I am open to reconsider. Hence not locking.
I will start off by saying that despite my obvious displeasure with your playing style throughout the game, I hope you recognize that I’ve done everything possible to give you a fair shake and have done my best to objectively judge whether or not you’re mafia.
Having said that, you have made so many posts that I genuinely have no idea what your theory on Zolah is. There is no single comprehensive post you made and I would greatly appreciate a relatively short run down of the bullet points that make you believe she is mafia. I’m not 100% sold on her being town. But she’s also not my top suspect.
You know where I stand on her, but as I have asked several times, if someone can punch a hole in my theory, I am open to reconsider. Hence not locking.
I will start off by saying that despite my obvious displeasure with your playing style throughout the game, I hope you recognize that I’ve done everything possible to give you a fair shake and have done my best to objectively judge whether or not you’re mafia.
Having said that, you have made so many posts that I genuinely have no idea what your theory on Zolah is. There is no single comprehensive post you made and I would greatly appreciate a relatively short run down of the bullet points that make you believe she is mafia. I’m not 100% sold on her being town. But she’s also not my top suspect.
I do recognize this, accepting your vote just because of how I play round 1. And I also know you hate the lengthy posts the most so here it is in bullet format. (I will post the quote I promised immediately after this one, but recognize that this is my evolved theory from that post.) If you want, I can cite specific quotes, but I will keep this streamlined for ease of reading as it will already be lenghty
- I believe Pablo was the inspector and that Jaz was his given name based on Pablo's posts, Jaz's lack of defense, and several key Jaz quotes. I expressed skepticism at the start because 1, it is healthy in this game as a townie, 2, I never accept someone is inspector without a full reread, and 3, His clearing ZIG flew in the face of what I believed at the time. However, given why he guessed ZIG (same reasons several of us were suspicious), and how his posts regarding ZIG changed post Tainted whack, it is strongly supported in the text.
- Given that Pablo was inspector, I believe that JR was a townie, and that our 3 mafia are Jaz (confirmed), Potent, and Zolah are the 3 mafia. I will get into both Potent and Zolah in a moment.
- The ZIG issue - I said after he made 3 posts, I was leaning town on ZIG and faced significant blow-back for it. You have played with me several times and know that I both look for mafia and clear townies early and then evolve as the game went on. My lean of ZIG being town was predicated on Zolah being mafia (which I was pretty sure of at the time.) ZIG stacked Zolah and placed her in the runoff. He was also fairly reserved at that point as well. I admitted it was flimsy on Page 6, but its Day 1 and it was what I had.
- JR - I jumped on him early for the vote on Danbob and the discussion around cheating. It seemed contrived to me, but as I pushed more, I thought JR explained what he did sufficiently and moved on. I stated several times that I was a lot less confident on JR than most other people were on day 1. After the Tainted whack, I got stronger on him being mafia again, but by day 3, it just did not sit right. I will maintain he was likely a townie, but his death was not in vain as it lead us to
- Zolah My conversation with JR was dead for 12 hours, until it was resurrected by her. At the time, I was still in a joking mood, but she started twisting and contorting my words to say things I never said. For example, she has repeatedly said she was called a cheater, that never happened. I said either they were mafia together or cheating, and she denied cheating, so logically, I moved toward mafia. Again, light on evidence, but it was day 1. I posted extensively on Day 3 about applying pressure to see how people responded, and she came back with righteous indignation. At the time, you said it felt stupid, but in retrospect, it gives some decent clues. For example, I was pressing hard enough for her to change her vote, but she never did. We know now, that Jaz was on me. He stated in thread that what I was doing was "annoying, but useful" (paraphrasing here, I can quote if you want) Given the events, I was personally pretty sold on her being mafia, but I also knew that everyone probably thought I was an asshole, and that none of you would accept the exchange as evidence even with explanation. So I sat back a bit and gathered additional information. Here are the additional reasons:
This is one example of you spinning in order to accuse Zolah of lying. You've said she kept bringing the issue up, and she clarified that she only did so once. To say that someone keeps doing something implies persistence, which does not correspond with Zolah saying something about it once. Spin. Though to be fair, this is equally pedantic on her part as well. I have no issues with your explanation of it being a "verbal trip", etc, but she refuted your point (multiple times) and you steamrolled over her explanation even though her refutation is correct. She only mentioned the rules thing once, which is indeed different from "keep bringing it up", as you said. Perhaps this is pedantry on my part as well, but it's what I saw as being possible spin. I had thought I picked this up from you multiple times, but after I reread I realized it was just you and Zolah arguing the same point over multiple posts. I fully admit it's not much for me to go off of in regards to you - it's just what has stuck out to me.
Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. Getting kind of tried of playing this game again honestly.
Kill me if you want. Going to be posting a lot less if I live. Too many people with preconceived notions. Note, you will be killing a townie. I'll just keep my opinions to myself just like everyone else.
Except he was offbase, and flat out wrong on several points, hence the agree to disagree. Obviously, the tired of playing was to allow the heat to die down, but guess who uses the exact same ploy 2 days later after Jaz dies and heat is on? Zolah.
The next post is from night 1, pre whack. It voices a lot of the thoughts I had and where my head was at. Obviously, was wrong on ZIG and to a lesser extent, JR for reasons already explained, but you can see I call out Jaz, you and Potent. Notably, I also state that Pablo, Tainted, Maddog and Dan are likely town.
]So since I am alive and several of you have given me a vote of confidence / rope to hang myself, here are my thoughts and intended vote in case I get whacked. Obviously, it is biased since I know I am a townie and I was targeted last round. All of this is subject to change or evolve a la ZIG as Day 2 evolves and I would encourage you to take all of this into consideration going forward.
As I said in my last post, there were likely 2 mafia members in the 6 (then 5) voters voting for me at the end. That pool was Jaz, Thor, Zolah, JR, Zig, and Tainted. Tainted switched at the end and I would say did so at risk to himself (which I greatly appreciate). That leaves Jaz, Thor, Zolah, JR, Zig. As I said previously, I think ZIG was hoping Pablo would vote for me, but when that didn't happen, he had to vote for me to try and remove me. His comment on Tainted to point this out makes it even more evident, since he was obviously paying attention, had wanted the last vote, and wanted to draw suspicion to him.
All of this drives at the theory that ZIG, Zolah, and JR are mafia together (with a caveat to be explained in a sec).
In addition to me as a townie, I am thinking Tainted, Pablo (for forcing ZIG's vote), Mad Dog (for his observations regarding who is trying to shape runoffs), and Danbob (because he was targeted and feel) are townies with me.
That leaves a pool of Thor, Jaz, and Potent who have been quiet and I am looking forward to more input from them in Day 2.
Having just reread everything, I would list them in order of suspicion from Jaz, Thor, finally Potent. Again, there is certain level of prejudice here, especially as it relates to Potent. However, I think Jaz straddled the fence really hard and it seems like he was almost intentionally not adding much. Thor I typically give a bit of a pass to due to his built in prejudice against how I play. Interested in seeing what he does in day 2.
All of this said, should I survive the night, I intend to vote for ZIG because I feel he is most likely to be Mafia. I still feel strongly about Zolah, but I generally try and kill who I feel most confident about on Day 2 and his actions at the end of the round clinched it for me.
Thank you for the vote of confidence, and although I know you have not cleared me, I will try to do my best to help going forward.
The next quote is much longer and the one I intended to post, linking Jaz and Zolah. Ill repost it at the very end, but it shows the distancing and and quotes from both Jaz and Zolah.
- Another issue is that she was posting along just fine until the reveal, then we got 5 "I am quitting for ever" posts in the next 6 from her, even though there was only light heat. It didn't make a ton of sense. So I decided to push a bit much later when it may not be associated with her posts with the anal plugs and street fighter exchange. All of that was fine and in good spirits, right up until the votes changed and now I was not going to die and Potent was. All of the sudden, stripper girlfriend was taking it too far? But anal plugs and street fighter cheating cosplay was not? The only thing that changed was the situation in the game. I said at the time, I had a very deliberate reason for doing what I was doing and this was the primary one. I spotted it early, but she goes into righteous anger mode really fast when she senses things are not going her way. And it is clear as day right here in the thread. All you have to do is ask, what changed?
Finally, it comes down to math and votes as I explained to Dan on Saturday. Here are the 2 most relevant posts:
According to LD this round ended today at 4 pm C. Zolah has one missed vote.
You're also assuming potent won't get whacked after you lynch zolah which is bold.
Not really. This is pretty simple to figure out at this point Maddog. Zolah didn't like her choices not for the reason she said, but because they sucked for her. I am guessing the mafia (including her) was looking to have the game roll like this:
If that worked, and Potent, Zolah, and Jaz were mafia, they win.
Say Potent gets lynched instead on day 4. Assuming same mafia, Zolah feels pretty good about having you in her corner.
Of all the townies to leave alive, you are the mafia's best option. Again, assuming Potent is mafia, he has just been too MIA to be trusted and is bound to be killed. Their only hope is Zolah running the table.
So much was said pre-runoff that there should have been no issue for her to vote. When I was 3 stacked, it should show you who they wanted to kill. The silence was there because what else do they do? Potent cant move to me without having to explain to everyone why, and who else was likely to follow? You and ZIG are the most likely, but it exposes Potent.
I have said since day 2, kill Potent and Zolah and we win. She cant vote because killing either of you drastically reduces the chances the mafia wins. Since her options are now you or Potent, I would not be surprised to see her vote Potent just to create a little distance, but even if she votes for you, I am confident one of your voters would switch to Potent.
And if your next two suspicious voters are zolah and potent you're fine letting zolah kill me instead of potent?
One last thing. Going into the runoff, you were the one open vote. If you switched to me vs Potent, it makes it much easier for Potent to switch back to me (he was voting for me but switched to you after the 3 stack was called. Then it is lights out Viking. Who would have moved? ZIG is locked in on me because he is ZIG, Potent and Zolah sure as hell would not have changed. They were clearly counting on you. Once you voted for Potent, the card castle came crashing down. ZIG moved to you because again, ZIG reasons, but as I said in the last post, their killing you in counterproductive to their cause.
I don't like this game. We have one person who wants to vote out a townie, and one who won't even play.
This was her plea to get people moving. A townie makes this call then and there. If both are an unknown, you pick the most suspicious and vote. Vested mafia tries to bide time and jostle some movement. This runoff is part of that time. Now Zolah is "forced" to vote somewhere, but in reality, she was forced to vote hours ago. She just hated her hand.
Dr. Joe, ZIG, Dan808 I mean, I am open to any other interpretation. Obviously I have been zeroed in for most of the game, but this makes sense. Any thoughts?
Regarding potent, I read his posts in isolation and he seemed very suspicious, but the 2 posts above nailed the coffin shut for me. If they were not mafia together, she votes, one way or the other.
So, as I said, it is a lot more than a Day 1 dustup. I have maintained from Day 1 she is mafia and everything since has just served to reinforce that. I will post the additional post and answer any questions you might have.
