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Yeap. I read the game once was 100% wrong. But i also bemoaned that no one was pushing. I don't mind sharing the entire message because I can own when I am wrong.
You are reaching Zolah. And you are trying to dance away from the fact that you are lying and spinning.
I could be 100% wrong here but I prefer working on a theory and picking at the lose threads to the WAG method.
The thing is, you are flat out lying this game. You are literally making up things I never said and stating them as fact. I'll cite everything when I get in front of my computer but there are few things that say mafia more than directly lying in thread.
But keep digging. It is giving me a chuckle.
I'm not reaching or lying. You lied and said that JR and I both kept bringing up the editing of the post. I brought it up once and wanted to state as such. In my original post it should have even been clear it was in between games because I stated I thought LD would copy and paste... Meaning the new game didn't start yet.
There were a couple rules that were officially added or re-added in mafia 101. I noticed they weren't on JR's game 109 so I did tell him to edit them because I thought LD would copy and paste and they'd be missing from here too. If you go back to mafia 108, you'll notice rules 15-17 are missing.
And yes. You did call me and JR mafia and said you leaned town on Zig.
I seem to have struck a nerve. Firstly, it was not a lie. You are the only one outside the 3 involved parties to reference it, and seemingly the most sensitive to it. Secondly, it is called a verbal trip; a phrase specifically design to elicit a response from a predetermined set in order to provide an indication of role. Third, please keep posting. I do find it quite quite illuminating. You would not be the first mafia woman to die in self righteous fury.
And finally, relates to your other post, if you are not rule breaking, then logically, it is option 1 and you are both mafia. So how about I "come at you" for That?
All 3 are good choices. Personally would prefer potent and tainted. They are quiet atm and for reasons I prefer not to share right now, I am leaning toward zig being town
Every time I post, you spin my words around and lie.
LOL You do understand that you just proved my point, Right?
Well, I said back on page 2 I struck a nerve and apparently I was right.
Let me clear up more of Zolah's attempts at lying here:
I know a townie trying to win may seem bizarre to you but it use to happen a lot! I keep all 11 players on a spectrum and adjust them as the game goes on. That leads to:
I never directly said you are mafia. I asked a lot of questions, then posted a few theories which implies you were mafia but never said it directly.
The same goes for ZIG and his town status. And in that post i even said it was really early.
This is now the 3rd time you have tried to hide your lies in righteous anger. At this point, I would not eat any apples you offered me.
I'll lay out my thoughts in a bit. On my mobile atm.
In my last post, I quoted where you pretty much said exactly both of those things.
Pretty much exactly is not exactly. I told you 3 pages ago details matter. Trying to slide my statement to fit your narrative is in fact lying. And thank you for doing half the work citing things for me.
I'm not up to anything. Taking out context and just looking at the vote history it looks dumb with the flopping.
"Taking out of context" seems more accurate. I jump at minor suspicion on Day 1 because it's all we have. How dumb of me. Have you ever tried to actually scum hunt, rather than find something you don't like and attack it to the detriment of town? As town (which you may or may not be) you're garbage, because you suck at actually looking for mafia, so you just nitpick other townies to death.
ok dude. people lie, if you're just going to take people at their word fucking go for it.
and ftr i fucking rocked it the other game, and have been mafia multiple times where the consensus plan being to 'keep jr alive' because the perception is you're shit town, so lets calm down on the who sucks talk.
In my last post, I quoted where you pretty much said exactly both of those things.
Pretty much exactly is not exactly. I told you 3 pages ago details matter. Trying to slide my statement to fit your narrative is in fact lying. And thank you for doing half the work citing things for me.
Where did I lie? I pointed out your lies. Several of them have been cited. You can laugh it off and call it me spinning, but it's clearly there in text.
JR sure is getting angry when people point out he’s wishy washy play....
Wishy washy: feeble or insipid in quality or character; lacking strength or boldness.
Once again, you're wrong. This is twice now that you've posted to make me look like something I'm not.
If you're town, you're trying to paint me as scum because you're tunnel visioned. If you're mafia, you're too transparently painting me as something I'm not.
In my last post, I quoted where you pretty much said exactly both of those things.
Pretty much exactly is not exactly. I told you 3 pages ago details matter. Trying to slide my statement to fit your narrative is in fact lying. And thank you for doing half the work citing things for me.
I don't know either of your roles. But you're clearly holding her to a higher standard than you hold yourself.
You just told Mad Dog he’s shit at being town for calling out your vote history. You have no bases to make that claim so it’s either you are a bad judge of playing abilities or you just said it out of rage.
If Danbob and Maddog are townies and so amazing at it, they sure are trying hard to kill a townie. I never claimed to be the best at this game, but I avoid tunnel vision and I'm not afraid to make moves. And making moves seems to be their excuse to target me. Or is Dan still mad that I joked on page 1?
Pretty much exactly is not exactly. I told you 3 pages ago details matter. Trying to slide my statement to fit your narrative is in fact lying. And thank you for doing half the work citing things for me.
Where did I lie? I pointed out your lies. Several of them have been cited. You can laugh it off and call it me spinning, but it's clearly there in text.
Oh honey, if you really feel that is a declaratory statement, then just wait for a few more hours. But you keep on going. Just making slamming the door shut that much easier.
If Danbob and Maddog are townies and so amazing at it, they sure are trying hard to kill a townie. I never claimed to be the best at this game, but I avoid tunnel vision and I'm not afraid to make moves. And making moves seems to be their excuse to target me. Or is Dan still mad that I joked on page 1?
Yep you’re right. You caught me. I’m just mad you joked on page one. Good work.
Pretty much exactly is not exactly. I told you 3 pages ago details matter. Trying to slide my statement to fit your narrative is in fact lying. And thank you for doing half the work citing things for me.
I don't know either of your roles. But you're clearly holding her to a higher standard than you hold yourself.
If you mean the exact opposite of what you said, then you are correct. I have given her the benefit of the doubt on 2 previous occasions. Her lies tonight were the proverbial 3rd strike.
If Danbob and Maddog are townies and so amazing at it, they sure are trying hard to kill a townie. I never claimed to be the best at this game, but I avoid tunnel vision and I'm not afraid to make moves. And making moves seems to be their excuse to target me. Or is Dan still mad that I joked on page 1?
i haven't done anything to try to kill you dude. idk where this victim complex is coming from. are you still mad i made a joked on whatever page that was? i just said it looks dumb.
its also pretty hilarious that the only player to vote for one player twice is calling tunnel vision.
If Danbob and Maddog are townies and so amazing at it, they sure are trying hard to kill a townie. I never claimed to be the best at this game, but I avoid tunnel vision and I'm not afraid to make moves. And making moves seems to be their excuse to target me. Or is Dan still mad that I joked on page 1?
i haven't done anything to try to kill you dude. idk where this victim complex is coming from. are you still mad i made a joked on whatever page that was? i just said it looks dumb.
its also pretty hilarious that the only player to vote for one player twice is calling tunnel vision.
Voting for the same person twice doesn't constitute tunnel vision. See, that's a suspect point to make as a townie to a townie. You're attempting to discredit me with inaccurate points.
Ok, so here is where I am at atm. Again, I could be 100% wrong or could be on target. Hopefully it provides some food for thought and consumption for the other 6 townies so we can start to feel each other out.
First, let me clear up the ZIG stuff. ZIG has made a staggering total of 3 posts as of the time I started this post; his initial vote and 2 pure fluff. However, his vote for Zolah stacked her into the runoff and was made 4 minutes after she started posting. Nothing ZIG has said makes me think he is town, but his timing and putting Zolah into the runoff are not something a mafia member would normally do. So, I feel like should my current theory prove valid, he is more likely to be town. I reserved comment because admittedly, it is a weak argument based primarily on feeling and I did not want to rock the current runoff lineup.
The other 2 I am leaning towards town are Jimma and Thor. Jimma because his thinking is largely in parallel with mine and he is seeing some of the same patterns. There are a few things that give me pause, but nothing causing alarms. Thor mainly because I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt due to his personal prejudice against me. He is the most shaky of the 3 but it helps to have him there.
So with those 3, plus myself as town, I have Jaz, Tainted, Potent, and Pablo at neutral. There just is not enough to go on at this point to really make a call on these 4. I have general feelings, but nothing I can point to at this point. There is likely a mafia member in this group, but that is a problem for the next day. I can elaborate if needed on any of the above.
That leaves Zolah, JR, & Dan. Given the posts today, I believe Zolah and JR are likely mafia together. I am more confident in Zolah than JR due to her obfuscation of comments I made, either intentionally or unintentionally. She is either deliberately lying or subconsciously reading what I wrote in a way that she believes as a direct attack that she has to spin in a different way instead of simply answering a question and moving on. JR has too many red flags that have been well vetted, but again, my preference is Zolah.
That leaves us with Danbob. He may be townie, as he a standard Mafia target. I will guarantee there is a mafia member in the DanBob voters for that reason. However, given the back in forth on the last 2 pages, I cant shake the feeling that there is the potential he may be mafia with Zolah and JR. It is an insane idea and I am likely wrong on it, but what better alibi to skate him through. Mafia rarely whack him, if Zolah and JR are mafia, and we kill them day 1 and 2, he will draw next to no suspicion until at least day 4, and likely not even then. Again, insane, but something to think about.
TL:DR - Zolah and JR are likely mafia. One of the quiet ones are likely the 3rd, but keep your eye on Danbob. Please tear into this as you will. Just my thoughts on where we are atm. Also, I will likely change to Zolah before the runoff is out unless she is into R3 with JR already.
Post by piggy pablo on Dec 24, 2017 1:37:04 GMT -5
Ok, just got settled in after work and this is a lot to think about. I think the most likely scenario is all of yall are flinging shit at each other D1R1 and one or zero of you is actually Mafia.
I'm going to give it a little more time before voting.
Post by potentpotables on Dec 24, 2017 11:40:26 GMT -5
Potent > Zolah
I didn't think there was much to her fight with Viking at the time, but it keeps popping up and is a better reason than voting for Danbob because we're mortal enemies.
Any reason you felt the need to vote prior to Potent and Pablo? They were the outstanding votes at the time.
My initial vote for zolah wasnt based on anything, her back and forth with Viking while notable didn't have the same feel as Dan/Jr, and in the event they're all town he is being the least helpful. I figured one of them (Pablo/potent) would even zolah back to 2 to force the other to make the final decision, but I wanted to make sure jr didn't fall out.
