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Post by WhyTheLongFace on Apr 3, 2019 12:38:27 GMT -5
Saying there’s no way JT would have a bigger draw than Ari is YOU underestimating JT. When the headliners were JT, Childish and Kanye everyone I knew was hype about JT even though I led with hate. Coachella is about seeing artists you never pay to say. Both of these fall in that category except one will be touring nonstop for the next 10 years. I say it’ll be about even giving the edge to JT but that says a lot because JT would be a year removed from trash and Ariana is on her hottest run. JT has hits. REAL HITS.
It went from *just last year* having Fleet Foxes, St. Vincent, War on Drugs, David Byrne, A Perfect Circle - all bands I'd pay $50 to see (and even HAIM, PtM, and alt-J), to this year essentially just being The 1975 and Weezer from the "rock" side of things, and both of them are pop / mainstream rock.
This is a great point. I'm going to drop a hot take/speculative guess and say the weird second line bookings are impacting sales. Lots of repeats, barely any rock (after a year with TONS of amazing second line artists), international acts that may attract some people but don't "replace" the lack of draw for rock fans.
I personally feel the undercard is extremely strong this year, stronger than last, but its the weakest second line for me personally in years.
For me I'm not going this year (95% sure...) because of the lack of second line rock acts. Sure, I think it's a fairly weak headliner crop and switching out Gambino for a bigger rapper/pop star or Ariana for a legacy rock band would have been big for me, but I just get very little value for my ticket in the second line rock.
It went from *just last year* having Fleet Foxes, St. Vincent, War on Drugs, David Byrne, A Perfect Circle - all bands I'd pay $50 to see (and even HAIM, PtM, and alt-J), to this year essentially just being The 1975 and Weezer from the "rock" side of things, and both of them are pop / mainstream rock.
I know that makes the lineup "very 2019" to have little/no rock acts, and they always get small crowds, and blah blah blah I'm just saying if Misfits were subbing instead of Khalid and The National were playing instead of Diplo, I'd be there.
I'm going - but my thought process is somewhat similar - if Tame is a headliner and you throw in VW, The National/Big Red Machine, a couple off of Just Like Heaven you likely get a couple of people who would be mildly interested in Tame but not much else to hop on board. Granted, who is to say Coachella didn't try that and get turned down - rumors are VW will be there next year, so who knows...
Regardless - I'm very much a rock guy and go to plenty of shows but there are still plenty of things I've found that I like - but I had to dig a fair amount to find.
For me I'm not going this year (95% sure...) because of the lack of second line rock acts. Sure, I think it's a fairly weak headliner crop and switching out Gambino for a bigger rapper/pop star or Ariana for a legacy rock band would have been big for me, but I just get very little value for my ticket in the second line rock.
It went from *just last year* having Fleet Foxes, St. Vincent, War on Drugs, David Byrne, A Perfect Circle - all bands I'd pay $50 to see (and even HAIM, PtM, and alt-J), to this year essentially just being The 1975 and Weezer from the "rock" side of things, and both of them are pop / mainstream rock.
I know that makes the lineup "very 2019" to have little/no rock acts, and they always get small crowds, and blah blah blah I'm just saying if Misfits were subbing instead of Khalid and The National were playing instead of Diplo, I'd be there.
I'm going and there's definitely enough to keep my days busy but this is pretty close to how I feel about the 2nd line. That's where the gap is for me. I probably won't see a single sub this year. The National, Vamp Weekend, Thom (even tho it's not really rock) all would have helped. As the lineups have dropped this year, it's apparent this is still a solid lineup but it's just not on par with their past lineups for my personal taste.
It went from *just last year* having Fleet Foxes, St. Vincent, War on Drugs, David Byrne, A Perfect Circle - all bands I'd pay $50 to see (and even HAIM, PtM, and alt-J), to this year essentially just being The 1975 and Weezer from the "rock" side of things, and both of them are pop / mainstream rock.
This is a great point. I'm going to drop a hot take/speculative guess and say the weird second line bookings are impacting sales. Lots of repeats, barely any rock (after a year with TONS of amazing second line artists), international acts that may attract some people but don't "replace" the lack of draw for rock fans.
I personally feel the undercard is extremely strong this year, stronger than last, but its the weakest second line for me personally in years.
To be fair, I think the pool of 2nd line rock artists would’ve been pretty weak this year anyways unless you wanted Death Cab for Cutie, Cage the Elephant, Hozier or Interpol & Foals again. A lot of the better names would’ve had albums close to a year old by April so I think the timing of things kinda made the selection tough. Vampire Weekend and The National would’ve been nice but there’s not much else after them IMO.
Its still wild to me that The National didnt play Coachella on this run. Especially when they are 5th on their day at Bonnaroo.
Luckily they're still coming through Chicago so I can still see them but I couldn't believe that either. Especially after not coming through on the last album tour and now announcing another one for May. Would have been a perfect opportunity.
This is a great point. I'm going to drop a hot take/speculative guess and say the weird second line bookings are impacting sales. Lots of repeats, barely any rock (after a year with TONS of amazing second line artists), international acts that may attract some people but don't "replace" the lack of draw for rock fans.
I personally feel the undercard is extremely strong this year, stronger than last, but its the weakest second line for me personally in years.
To be fair, I think the pool of 2nd line rock artists would’ve been pretty weak this year anyways unless you wanted Death Cab for Cutie, Cage the Elephant, Hozier or Interpol & Foals again. A lot of the better names would’ve had albums close to a year old by April so I think the timing of things kinda made the selection tough. Vampire Weekend and The National would’ve been nice but there’s not much else after them IMO.
I agree. But even take 2 EDM repeats and swap with DCFC and any of the other 3 you mentioned, I think the lineup looks ever so slightly better. Blake's timeline would make tons of sense for a 2019 performance, although not "rock". Of course Thom, others blah blah blah.
I did just scan Wikipedia's list of 2019 rock releases and pretty much the only second line-level artists are those you just mentioned. So point taken, few options this go around.
Ok, cool. There's a new National album. I still think that's a desperate example of a band that would save the second line.
Nobody's saying it would "save" the second line. But they're playing a very sold out show at the Orpheum in LA one week after Coachella. I was 750 in the queue line to get tix and couldn't pull them and my buddy was 2,200 so there was AT LEAST 3x capacity demand for that show.
It's not crazy to think if you sub a Diplo or Dillon Francis or some other re-tread second line electronic act who is going to probably get an outdoor slot for them and 1-2 other modifications, you could have gotten a couple geezers like me (age: 30) to come out this year vs. stare at the lineup and wonder where I'm going to spend my nights.
Post by gibsonguy20 on Apr 3, 2019 13:40:49 GMT -5
Vampire Weekend is the obvious omission that could have moved some extra tickets. Honestly, I think if they would have booked Robyn, Thom Yorke, the Racounters instead of some of the repeatable second line artists I think it would have gone a long way for the 30 plus crowd.
That being said, I personally think they tried to book these artists and were just told no thanks. It’s not a matter of them reaching out but more a matter of certain artists don’t care to play Coachella anymore.
Vampire Weekend is the obvious omission that could have moved some extra tickets. Honestly, I think if they would have booked Robyn, Thom Yorke, the Racounters instead of some of the repeatable second line artists I think it would have gone a long way for the 30 plus crowd.
I think it might be a bit presumptive to think that those acts would be beloved by all of the 30+ crowd. They could’ve very easily booked some shitty older acts too.
To me, Dillon Francis and CHVRCHES are the only two obvious acts they could’ve done better with. The rest sorta make sense in one way or another, including DJ Snake, Diplo and Zedd.
Vampire Weekend is the obvious omission that could have moved some extra tickets. Honestly, I think if they would have booked Robyn, Thom Yorke, the Racounters instead of some of the repeatable second line artists I think it would have gone a long way for the 30 plus crowd.
I think it might be a bit presumptive to think that those acts would be beloved by all of the 30+ crowd. They could’ve very easily booked some shitty older acts too.
To me, Dillon Francis and CHVRCHES are the only two obvious acts they could’ve done better with. The rest sorta make sense in one way or another, including DJ Snake, Diplo and Zedd.
I mean, I know the “Africa” cover was oddly popular, but even Weezer?
I think it might be a bit presumptive to think that those acts would be beloved by all of the 30+ crowd. They could’ve very easily booked some shitty older acts too.
To me, Dillon Francis and CHVRCHES are the only two obvious acts they could’ve done better with. The rest sorta make sense in one way or another, including DJ Snake, Diplo and Zedd.
I mean, I know the “Africa” cover was oddly popular, but even Weezer?
I think it might be a bit presumptive to think that those acts would be beloved by all of the 30+ crowd. They could’ve very easily booked some shitty older acts too.
To me, Dillon Francis and CHVRCHES are the only two obvious acts they could’ve done better with. The rest sorta make sense in one way or another, including DJ Snake, Diplo and Zedd.
I mean, I know the “Africa” cover was oddly popular, but even Weezer?
That being said, I personally think they tried to book these artists and were just told no thanks. It’s not a matter of them reaching out but more a matter of certain artists don’t care to play Coachella anymore.
I definitely agree with this, however, my thought process is based in having absolutely zero insight.
