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If Fred wants a cover band that's fine, but just as an aside, Walaka asked to have blackstar removed in the middle and then later they were drafted. He didn't draft them and say jk guys their eligible.
I missed this point somehow, thanks for pointing out, maddog.
So we're gonna have double standards, cdevaney? Because with your reasoning, they shouldn't be eligible either.
If Fred wants a cover band that's fine, but just as an aside, Walaka asked to have blackstar removed in the middle and then later they were drafted. He didn't draft them and say jk guys their eligible.
You're right. It was early in first round, not a likely first round selection (they were taken in round eight) and it was publicly requested several turns before he was on the clock.
Again, my objection was to removing them from the Ineligible List right before your turn on the DL. Then I encouraged you to bring it up in the thread so that we could have this discussion.
My biggest concern at this point is that others may have wanted to pick them (Cap'n Mac and Dad Dog at minimum both tried to take them last draft) but didn't because they were on the list. Just taking them off the list at this point seems unfair.
You're right. It was early in first round, not a likely first round selection (they were taken in round eight) and it was publicly requested several turns before he was on the clock.
Again, my objection was to removing them from the Ineligible List right before your turn on the DL. Then I encouraged you to bring it up in the thread so that we could have this discussion.
My biggest concern at this point is that others may have wanted to pick them (Cap'n Mac and Dad Dog at minimum both tried to take them last draft) but didn't because they were on the list. Just taking them off the list at this point seems unfair.
Fair enough. Let's wait for the poll results then.
I think it's really impossible to argue with unreasonable people.
Object away. Challenge it.
Your argument comes down to 'I want them so I should be able to have them even though they have been unable to be selected by anyone else until now.' If you had raised an objection to them being on the list at the outset of the draft I would have removed them promptly from the list. At this point, I feel like it's too late in the game to remove them. I don't feel that that is being unreasonable.
We were just arguing yesterday that if Zeppelin or The Smiths announced tours right now someone could take them.
In future drafts, probably the best solution to this issue would be to keep them undraftable but allow them to be selected as UDFA's. That way everybody has equal access.
Or, to complicate things further, we could hold a supplemental draft. LOL...
I'm a little late to the discussion, but I'm against proposal 7.
What I would like to see is two rounds of free agent drafting. Do picks #1-25 in the first round, and then round two would exclude any exclusive picks, plus all free agents from round 1. This does a few things:
1) gives time to address disputes without totally shutting people out of replacement choices 2) keeps people from stacking their undercard with every sub-headliner they can think of 3) adds an extra element of competition
I'm a little late to the discussion, but I'm against proposal 7.
What I would like to see is two rounds of free agent drafting. Do picks #1-25 in the first round, and then round two would exclude any exclusive picks, plus all free agents from round 1. This does a few things:
1) gives time to address disputes without totally shutting people out of replacement choices 2) keeps people from stacking their undercard with every sub-headliner they can think of 3) adds an extra element of competition
This is ridiculous, because all you're doing is adding two rounds to the draft.
As for #2, I tried that last time. It didn't go well.
Okay, so now we have at least four different plans for how to handle free agents:
1) Status Quo - If you pick an ineligible UDFA you can replace it with any other UDFA 2) Prop 7 - If you pick an ineligible UDFA you can replace it with a UDFA that was not already selected by other participants 3) If you pick an ineligible UDFA you cannot replace it and you have fewer acts on your lineup 4) Two rounds of UDFA. One round of 25. Then a second of 50 that cannot include any of the drafted or round one UDFA. How to handle ineligible picks in this format undetermined.
I also feel like I am missing a scenario.
I'm not sure how to resolve three competing propositions at once. We could have everyone vote on their favorite scenario between 1-4 and then run that one as a proposal I guess.
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
2) Prop 7 - If you pick an ineligible UDFA you can replace it with a UDFA that was not already selected by other participants 3) If you pick an ineligible UDFA you cannot replace it and you have fewer acts on your lineup
OK I am *really* gonna need some help scheduling this goddamn thing.
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
OK I am *really* gonna need some help scheduling this goddamn thing.
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
Shit, right now I'm working with dueling headliners.
(You can put Sheeran, GD and Mumsons on the trading block fwiw)
OK I am *really* gonna need some help scheduling this goddamn thing.
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
Wait... what?
I haven't been to Bonnaroo since '12 and might never be back - tell me what else I need to know!
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
Wait... what?
I haven't been to Bonnaroo since '12 and might never be back - tell me what else I need to know!
I told you this!
What and Which are the same. That and This are the same. But The Other is now a full sized stage, slightly smaller than Which, and is dedicated to EDM and Hip Hop. And there isn't a designated Comedy tent anymore, it's combined with the Cinema Tent and they do the ticket claiming TOTALLY differently now. It's kinda lame, tbh.
Edit: And all music in centeroo is done by 3am. So no sunrise sets you guys!! Gotta keep this game super realisitc! Obvs!
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
Wait... what?
I haven't been to Bonnaroo since '12 and might never be back - tell me what else I need to know!
What & Which are the same. This & That are the same. The Other is now a stage of similar size to Which and is dedicated to hip hop and EDM. The Sonic Stage, Cinema Tent and Comedy Tent are gone. Miller Light is still there. The moved whatever the club stage at the back of What to where Sonic used to be and it's now the Who stage.
I haven't been to Bonnaroo since '12 and might never be back - tell me what else I need to know!
What & Which are the same. This & That are the same. The Other is now a stage of similar size to Which and is dedicated to hip hop and EDM. The Sonic Stage, Cinema Tent and Comedy Tent are gone. Miller Light is still there. The moved whatever the club stage at the back of What to where Sonic used to be and it's now the Who stage.
Remind me again, why did we vote to increase the amount of bands. LOL
I had no idea these changes happened. Where the fuck have I been?
EDIT: At other festivals that aren't Bonnaroo...I knew that answer.
LOL. Your best bet may be to try to trade a couple of your headliners for for other roles.
Scheduling is more difficult now that there are only two tents, The Other has a dedicated focus and there's no Comedy Tent. Our 100 or so acts is close to a full schedule for Thursday - Sunday unless you're also scheduling Who & Miller Light.
Shit, right now I'm working with dueling headliners.
(You can put Sheeran, GD and Mumsons on the trading block fwiw)
I was unaware this game had to be realistic... If you want to do duelling HLers, you do duelling HL. The thing that is going to bite you in the ass is more so that you have a lot of questionable pop acts in your line up, but that's just my opinion.... Just bill the whole thing Coachella style and be done with it.
Fri: Taylor Swift / Green Day M83 / Wille Nelson / Billy Idol
Sun: Mumford / Ed Sheeran Ray Lamontangne / RTJ / Harry Styles
and then continue with everything else.... Los Angeles Azules / Grizzly Bear / Thundercat / Kyle Dixon and Michael Stein performing the music of Stranger Things Todd Terje and the Olsens / Motor City Drum Ensemble / FIDLAR