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Mafia could get lucky simply by letting the quiet ones remain quiet, assuming they aren't already one in the same.
I don't understand what this means.
Sure I can elaborate for you if you'd like? The silent ones get the stink eye as the game goes along, correct? I was stating that mafia may slip by simply by the silent ones not contributing enough and thus incriminating themselves, assuming the quiet ones aren't already mafia.
Pretty obvious to me that Fore is inspector at this point based on the whack. That means Jaz was mafia. And based on my long post from before, if anyone read it, I think Potent is mafia.
Sure I can elaborate for you if you'd like? The silent ones get the stink eye as the game goes along, correct? I was stating that mafia may slip by simply by the silent ones not contributing enough and thus incriminating themselves, assuming the quiet ones aren't already mafia.
So we should look at the silent ones? Or not? I think you're saying that we shouldn't look at the silent people. But I still can't tell.
Sure I can elaborate for you if you'd like? The silent ones get the stink eye as the game goes along, correct? I was stating that mafia may slip by simply by the silent ones not contributing enough and thus incriminating themselves, assuming the quiet ones aren't already mafia.
So we should look at the silent ones? Or not? I think you're saying that we shouldn't look at the silent people. But I still can't tell.
I'm asking you to clarify a post that I find confusingly worded, but go ahead and deflect with snark.
The part where I added the assumption that they aren't already one in the same is why I find your confusion off putting. I really can't tell you who to vote for, or who is town or mafia.
I'm asking you to clarify a post that I find confusingly worded, but go ahead and deflect with snark.
The part where I added the assumption that they aren't already one in the same is why I find your confusion off putting. I really can't tell you who to vote for, or who is town or mafia.
So you're saying either:
- the active ones are mafia and the quiet ones will be used by the mafia to win, or - the quiet ones are mafia
The part where I added the assumption that they aren't already one in the same is why I find your confusion off putting. I really can't tell you who to vote for, or who is town or mafia.
So you're saying either:
- the active ones are mafia and the quiet ones will be used by the mafia to win, or - the quiet ones are mafia
Lots of insight you gleaned there.
Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't able to tell you who to vote for and my statement was too vague for your delicate sensibilities. Wtf do you want? Thor has dropped 14 thoughts this entire game and no ones voting for him. LD has been more vague than me - the only person voting for him is you and youre doubled down on currently. With that in mind, where are your insights?
- the active ones are mafia and the quiet ones will be used by the mafia to win, or - the quiet ones are mafia
Lots of insight you gleaned there.
Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't able to tell you who to vote for and my statement was too vague for your delicate sensibilities. Wtf do you want? Thor has dropped 14 thoughts this entire game and no ones voting for him. LD has been more vague than me - the only person voting for him is you and youre doubled down on currently. With that in mind, where are your insights?
I’m pretty sure you’ve provided no more insight than I have this game. I’ve provided a thorough analysis of the game in my limited posts. If you are disappointed in my restraint from cluttering this thread with stupid posts, I have no apologies for you.
What can I say, I can't keep a train of thought going long enough to not take up 5 posts at a time.
For what it’s worth I’ve agreed with most of what you’ve said all game. Did you ever explain your vote for Pablo?
I agree that Jaz being mafia points to Potent. But it's pretty on the nose, and mafia is known to distance. So rather than lynch Potent outright based on a hunch, we should try to throw some of the people who fell out, back in. There were 5 in at the time he made the move (and he had already been loosely outed as well), Carini (probably town, dead), Fore (probably inspector, dead), Potent (felt like he was going to be voted for based on how the end of the last round went down, currently in), Tainted and Pablo.
Focusing on Tainted and Pablo, there have been a few posts here and there that stood out.
-Taint mentions dropping out of the runoff for doing nothing and that makes him re think his Carini vote. Pablo does not mention that he dropped out.
-There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
-A good amount of back and forth with Pablo and Dan about Fore being inspector, and then later what read as attempts to discredit.
I don't think any of the whacks so much point at either, and both had at least one town on them at the time of Jaz's move, so it's more of a "weak hunch" on Pablo over Tainted.
rather than let the round close, or let anyone else make movement, you immediately shake it up.
as I said then, it's not necessarily something I'm against, but you do lose out on any other switches or any other discussion, and that's not ideal. you later move once fore also votes for potent, so it's clear you weren't dead set on potent any way.
all of that makes more sense if you are mafia/believe fore to be inspector with your name.
I'm surprised that that's the conclusion you've come to. I feel like my move provoked more vote switches and discussion than caused us to lose out on anything.
This was the count before I moved, on page two. I feel like if I had not moved, the round would have stagnated with these five in a runoff, which would give us a new round that would put me in the exact same position of voting for one of these five anyway. After I move, there is discussion and multiple vote switches that get us to the three-way. That's information. Given that, what do you feel we actually missed out on?
Also, I'd like to point out that when I made that move, this was all Fore had said about me:
haha, scratch the 3 way runoff, we've got a 4 way now! I think Pablo should either switch to Zig or Jaz switch to me to have one more in the run off to force some people's hands
yeah, def doesn't count as a Leeroy Jenkins move because there is no real reasoning on most/all votes thus far. Though, I'm curious to see how the next round will go with LD, Dan, Zig, Jaz, Thor, and MD guaranteeing their survival to the next day.
ah, very nice, solid call on placing the pressure on Jaz instead of Pablo. I'm interested to see where that vote goes because there still is very little to go off of, aside from that exchange about the vote getting wiped at the beginning of the day
I suppose the last one could be a tip-off, but to say that this made me think that Fore was Inspector with my name, which then made me draw attention to myself by changing my vote (to someone who wasn't even my potential accuser)...I think that's a bit of a stretch compared to my explanation of "I had the sole revote anyway so I'm moving now instead of later".
This post by Jaz seems to be trying to say "nothing to see here move along" about both his vote and the idea that Fore was not-so-subtly hinting at Jaz. So that's what I'm saying about Jaz already knowing (and even if Jaz was that dense, one of the other two should have picked up on it), he clearly knew, and any direct save could have tipped off who #2 was. He votes for Potent, two people drop out, he ends the round switching to town. It doesn't seem too complex of an idea that he votes potent and then "saves" him so people don't notice Pablo/Tainted falling out. He also knows he has a whole other round to live, and will probably be lynched at that point, so why not deflect on your way out?
For what it’s worth I’ve agreed with most of what you’ve said all game. Did you ever explain your vote for Pablo?
I agree that Jaz being mafia points to Potent. But it's pretty on the nose, and mafia is known to distance. So rather than lynch Potent outright based on a hunch, we should try to throw some of the people who fell out, back in. There were 5 in at the time he made the move (and he had already been loosely outed as well), Carini (probably town, dead), Fore (probably inspector, dead), Potent (felt like he was going to be voted for based on how the end of the last round went down, currently in), Tainted and Pablo.
Focusing on Tainted and Pablo, there have been a few posts here and there that stood out.
-Taint mentions dropping out of the runoff for doing nothing and that makes him re think his Carini vote. Pablo does not mention that he dropped out.
-There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
-A good amount of back and forth with Pablo and Dan about Fore being inspector, and then later what read as attempts to discredit.
I don't think any of the whacks so much point at either, and both had at least one town on them at the time of Jaz's move, so it's more of a "weak hunch" on Pablo over Tainted.
It should be said that there are definitely things about all that which could be easily frameable, but there's no real reason to frame a random townie for those things when Fore was already spinning himself in circles.
I'm surprised that that's the conclusion you've come to. I feel like my move provoked more vote switches and discussion than caused us to lose out on anything.
This was the count before I moved, on page two. I feel like if I had not moved, the round would have stagnated with these five in a runoff, which would give us a new round that would put me in the exact same position of voting for one of these five anyway. After I move, there is discussion and multiple vote switches that get us to the three-way. That's information. Given that, what do you feel we actually missed out on?
Also, I'd like to point out that when I made that move, this was all Fore had said about me: I suppose the last one could be a tip-off, but to say that this made me think that Fore was Inspector with my name, which then made me draw attention to myself by changing my vote (to someone who wasn't even my potential accuser)...I think that's a bit of a stretch compared to my explanation of "I had the sole revote anyway so I'm moving now instead of later".
This post by Jaz seems to be trying to say "nothing to see here move along" about both his vote and the idea that Fore was not-so-subtly hinting at Jaz. So that's what I'm saying about Jaz already knowing (and even if Jaz was that dense, one of the other two should have picked up on it), he clearly knew, and any direct save could have tipped off who #2 was. He votes for Potent, two people drop out, he ends the round switching to town. It doesn't seem too complex of an idea that he votes potent and then "saves" him so people don't notice Pablo/Tainted falling out. He also knows he has a whole other round to live, and will probably be lynched at that point, so why not deflect on your way out?
This is an interesting theory. I think you're giving Jaz a lot of credit, which may be warranted, as he is a pretty experienced player. I'm not necessarily buying into this theory, but I'll acknowledge its decent enough to justify a runoff instead of directly voting out Potent. I could be wrong on Potent, and at the very least, we'd gain more information with a runoff in the event Potent ends up being town. Having said that, I'm remaining on Potent for now.
This post by Jaz seems to be trying to say "nothing to see here move along" about both his vote and the idea that Fore was not-so-subtly hinting at Jaz. So that's what I'm saying about Jaz already knowing (and even if Jaz was that dense, one of the other two should have picked up on it), he clearly knew, and any direct save could have tipped off who #2 was. He votes for Potent, two people drop out, he ends the round switching to town. It doesn't seem too complex of an idea that he votes potent and then "saves" him so people don't notice Pablo/Tainted falling out. He also knows he has a whole other round to live, and will probably be lynched at that point, so why not deflect on your way out?
This is an interesting theory. I think you're giving Jaz a lot of credit, which may be warranted, as he is a pretty experienced player. I'm not necessarily buying into this theory, but I'll acknowledge its decent enough to justify a runoff instead of directly voting out Potent. I could be wrong on Potent, and at the very least, we'd gain more information with a runoff in the event Potent ends up being town. Having said that, I'm remaining on Potent for now.
Yeah, I think just ignoring which way the whack points isn't a great idea.
This is an interesting theory. I think you're giving Jaz a lot of credit, which may be warranted, as he is a pretty experienced player. I'm not necessarily buying into this theory, but I'll acknowledge its decent enough to justify a runoff instead of directly voting out Potent. I could be wrong on Potent, and at the very least, we'd gain more information with a runoff in the event Potent ends up being town. Having said that, I'm remaining on Potent for now.
Yeah, I think just ignoring which way the whack points isn't a great idea.
nor do I think anything I or you have said eliminates a Pablo/Potent combination. I think that's still in play, as are most combinations at this point.
Post by piggy pablo on May 18, 2018 14:44:01 GMT -5
Go back and read my posts. I wasn't trying to discredit Fore. I was trying to cast doubt on the idea that Fore was Inspector, because it was counterproductive to Town's goals to have rampant Inspector speculation on Day 1 that seemed like it would ultimately only lead to Fore being whacked and not benefit Town. Jaz wasn't in the runoff at the time, so you'd be hard-pressed to argue that I was trying to protect Jaz.
I'm concerned about you pushing this 2-1 narrative, when you know how Jaz plays as Mafia. You and I have been Mafia with him before. His sexual orientation is 3-0-splitsexual. Especially when the final tally ended up unbalanced compared to typical games, I think that is poor reasoning.
For what it’s worth I’ve agreed with most of what you’ve said all game. Did you ever explain your vote for Pablo?
There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
You should maybe quote these posts then. I didn't "call out" ZIG for moving onto Jaz. I asked what his reasoning was, because he gave none. Just one example of how the things you are saying here are not well thought-out and some are essentially fabrications or stretched truths.
Go back and read my posts. I wasn't trying to discredit Fore. I was trying to cast doubt on the idea that Fore was Inspector, because it was counterproductive to Town's goals to have rampant Inspector speculation on Day 1 that seemed like it would ultimately only lead to Fore being whacked and not benefit Town. Jaz wasn't in the runoff at the time, so you'd be hard-pressed to argue that I was trying to protect Jaz.
I'm concerned about you pushing this 2-1 narrative, when you know how Jaz plays as Mafia. You and I have been Mafia with him before. His sexual orientation is 3-0-splitsexual. Especially when the final tally ended up unbalanced compared to typical games, I think that is poor reasoning.
102, Jaz in a 2-1. 86, Jaz in a 2-1.
Of the last 4 (available through the ref. page) 2 have been 2-1, the game with the 3 of us at 3-0, and then a game where he was outed as mafia R1 as well.
There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
You should maybe quote these posts then. I didn't "call out" ZIG for moving onto Jaz. I asked what his reasoning was, because he gave none. Just one example of how the things you are saying here are not well thought-out and some are essentially fabrications or stretched truths.
Go back and read my posts. I wasn't trying to discredit Fore. I was trying to cast doubt on the idea that Fore was Inspector, because it was counterproductive to Town's goals to have rampant Inspector speculation on Day 1 that seemed like it would ultimately only lead to Fore being whacked and not benefit Town. Jaz wasn't in the runoff at the time, so you'd be hard-pressed to argue that I was trying to protect Jaz.
I'm concerned about you pushing this 2-1 narrative, when you know how Jaz plays as Mafia. You and I have been Mafia with him before. His sexual orientation is 3-0-splitsexual. Especially when the final tally ended up unbalanced compared to typical games, I think that is poor reasoning.
102, Jaz in a 2-1. 86, Jaz in a 2-1.
Of the last 4 (available through the ref. page) 2 have been 2-1, the game with the 3 of us at 3-0, and then a game where he was outed as mafia R1 as well.
So that doesn't really hold a lot of weight.
I'm not saying that he will always do it. It's difficult to pull off.
I'm saying he generally intends to do it, so starting from the assumption that the split will be 2-1, because that's normal, as you have, is bogus.
Also, you ignored the whole 7-4 final tally thing. Good job.
There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
You should maybe quote these posts then. I didn't "call out" ZIG for moving onto Jaz. I asked what his reasoning was, because he gave none. Just one example of how the things you are saying here are not well thought-out and some are essentially fabrications or stretched truths.
What information will the whack give us about him?
If he's whacked, he's either Town, Inspector, or expendable Mafia. We're still not gonna know which he is. If he's not whacked, same deal. Maybe it means he's Mafia, maybe it means Mafia just doesnt think he's Inspector and that he's an inexperienced player that's playing too eager and causing confusion. If he's Inspector and he's already telegraphed his Night 1 guess and it's wrong, they'll probably be fine keeping him around. Or maybe whacking him completely misdirects us into thinking his hypotheses are right when they're dead wrong.
I don't really think it gives us as much information as you are suggesting, Dan. I mean shit, this could all be distancing. This could all be a ruse concocted by Mafia Fore and his teammates. We don't know yet.
Also, why are we so interested in information about Fore? This is called tunnelvision, and way too many people in this game already seem to have it. It's Day 1. Calm down. We've already had Fore say he thinks he knows who two Mafia are, we've got Dan saying he thinks he knows that Fore is Inspector, Potent saying what he thinks the ideal runoff must be..
I'm just really frustrated with the way the game has progressed so far, particularly if Fore actually is Inspector. I honestly don't care who dies here, because I don't know, but I've never played a game where people were this sure this early, or where one player is considered off-limits to lynching cuz of a bunch of mostly-inane, cryptic shit he said on Day 1.
Post by piggy pablo on May 18, 2018 15:20:47 GMT -5
I was trying to go through every scenario. You just happened to bold the one that you think somehow supports your argument. Funny thing is, it doesn't even support your argument. And guess what, I was right about that, anyway.
Yes. I voted for Fore. Eventually I voted for Jaz. I telegraphed that I would do as much in the interim, also. I hope that it was beneficial to have some version of runoff and pressure on other players, including Fore, instead of straight voting off Jaz. I think generally it is.
Of the last 4 (available through the ref. page) 2 have been 2-1, the game with the 3 of us at 3-0, and then a game where he was outed as mafia R1 as well.
So that doesn't really hold a lot of weight.
I'm not saying that he will always do it. It's difficult to pull off.
I'm saying he generally intends to do it, so starting from the assumption that the split will be 2-1, because that's normal, as you have, is bogus.
Also, you ignored the whole 7-4 final tally thing. Good job.
how so?
I had a whole post where I detailed all the ways it could be split. Carini, ZIG, and myself are town. So I should just ignore your vote because the way Dans move/LDs vote went down? I believe there was at least 1 mafia in the runoff of 5, Potent is in this one, 2 of the others are dead. I would prefer we take out one of them. I just think it's you over Tainted.
And I think that going forward LD/Thor will need either more activity or more scrutiny.
I was trying to go through every scenario. You just happened to bold the one that you think somehow supports your argument. Funny thing is, it doesn't even support your argument. And guess what, I was right about that, anyway.
Yes. I voted for Fore. Eventually I voted for Jaz. I telegraphed that I would do as much in the interim, also. I hope that it was beneficial to have some version of runoff and pressure on other players, including Fore, instead of straight voting off Jaz. I think generally it is.
something something I'll chalk it up to superior intellect and move on?
the newest boldest part is what I'm attempting to do now. it's really struck a chord.
For what it’s worth I’ve agreed with most of what you’ve said all game. Did you ever explain your vote for Pablo?
I agree that Jaz being mafia points to Potent. But it's pretty on the nose, and mafia is known to distance. So rather than lynch Potent outright based on a hunch, we should try to throw some of the people who fell out, back in. There were 5 in at the time he made the move (and he had already been loosely outed as well), Carini (probably town, dead), Fore (probably inspector, dead), Potent (felt like he was going to be voted for based on how the end of the last round went down, currently in), Tainted and Pablo.
Focusing on Tainted and Pablo, there have been a few posts here and there that stood out.
-Taint mentions dropping out of the runoff for doing nothing and that makes him re think his Carini vote. Pablo does not mention that he dropped out.
-There are specific posts between Pablo and Fore where Pablo asks Fore why he thought Jaz and ZIG falling out was a bad thing, and later mentions that Fore will probably be whacked unless he telegraphed his guess. He also calls ZIG out for moving onto Jaz.
-A good amount of back and forth with Pablo and Dan about Fore being inspector, and then later what read as attempts to discredit.
I don't think any of the whacks so much point at either, and both had at least one town on them at the time of Jaz's move, so it's more of a "weak hunch" on Pablo over Tainted.
and also, this is hardly the kind of language I would use if I was 100% on something.
