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Everything I've read has been pretty thin on details. Do we know if this was an issue of the festival not having the right systems in place to prevent crowd crush, security issues, people willfully ignoring the security and safety measures?
Everything I've read has been pretty thin on details. Do we know if this was an issue of the festival not having the right systems in place to prevent crowd crush, security issues, people willfully ignoring the security and safety measures?
The article I read said there were over 1,000 security personnel, including 530 cops and over 700 private security. It also said there were about 50,000 people in attendance, but they were expecting nearly 100k and the venue could hold 200k. So honestly, I don't think it was an issue of being unprepared to handle the crowds.
I also don't want to blame the artist (as lots of outlets are, saying Scott didn't do anything about the rowdy crowd), because I think that when you're on stage you don't have a good gauge on what's going on in the crowd. and with Scott, his shows are always rowdy, so seeing people pass out or removed from the crowd is probably commonplace. However, Travis Scott is known for encouraging dangerous behaviour at his shows. He's been charged twice for disorderly conduct after instigating dangerous behaviour and resulting in injured police, security and attendees, including one kid who was partially paralysed after being pushed off a balcony when Scott was telling people to jump off. Soo.... I feel like this was bound to happen at one of his shows. Even if he wasn't actively encouraging it this time, his fans know what to expect to do at his shows now so it's probably a lot harder to control and a lot quicker to devolve.
Anyways, I have mixed feelings on it... a part of me thinks it's a tragic, unpredictable tragedy that isn't really the fault of the organizers or artists. On the other hand, Travis Scott has bred a dangerous environment at his shows that is well known. I think when you've been charged more than once for inciting a dangerous situation at your show, and you've already had people get seriously hurt to the point of paralysation, then there is definitely a level of responsibility and fault on the artist to continue to encourage, or allow, that behaviour by his fans.
I just read there is a thought someone might have been injecting people with something.
I was just going to say that... apparently a security guard reported that he was pricked with something in his neck when pulling someone out of the crowd and they later had to give him narcan. If this is true, then that's FUCKED.
if that detail is true, obviously that would be fucked, but part of me feels like that could have been "leaked" by the Astroworld team to try and deflect some of the blame
I saw a couple of videos described as 'people pleading with promoters to stop the show' that were videos of people climbing on one of the lighting rigs and yelling at the guy manning the spotlight. It definitely seems like there is at least some push to blame Scott for this but unless he's seeing someone get beat down or someone comes and actually tells him that people are being killed I can understand him thinking that it's business as usual.
Tragically, this stuff happens at general admission and festival shows every once in a while. I know it's happened to The Who, Guns N' Roses, and Pearl Jam. I'm sure that there are many more that are not at the tip of my memory. If they had proper security - which Monie indicates they did - and if they had control barriers to prevent crowd crush - which I don't know that we know - then I think that this might just be a bad confluence.
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Here's a bit more including details on needle spiking:
I saw a couple of videos described as 'people pleading with promoters to stop the show' that were videos of people climbing on one of the lighting rigs and yelling at the guy manning the spotlight. It definitely seems like there is at least some push to blame Scott for this but unless he's seeing someone get beat down or someone comes and actually tells him that people are being killed I can understand him thinking that it's business as usual.
Tragically, this stuff happens at general admission and festival shows every once in a while. I know it's happened to The Who, Guns N' Roses, and Pearl Jam. I'm sure that there are many more that are not at the tip of my memory. If they had proper security - which Monie indicates they did - and if they had control barriers to prevent crowd crush - which I don't know that we know - then I think that this might just be a bad confluence.
Edit:
Here's a bit more including details on needle spiking:
Up to a point, I don't blame Travis Scott directly, although I think once you see ambulance lights in the middle of the crowd, it might be time to take a pause. I mean, there's a whole discussion to be had about his history of inciting riots and violent behavior, etc., but in terms of what he was doing right then and there, I do agree that - again, maybe prior to the ambulance thing - he might not have been able to directly see what was going on.
HOWEVER. Just about every artist wears in-ear monitors these days, and if they don't, there are monitor speakers on the stage and an entire crew in the wings. Somebody from his crew and/or production team should've been in his ear or running out on the stage to tell him what was going on and that they should stop the show until things got sorted. The Houston PD says the show went on for a full 40 minutes after they informed the producers the situation was serious. There's no logistical excuse for that, nor for word to not have traveled to the artist quickly.
I saw a couple of videos described as 'people pleading with promoters to stop the show' that were videos of people climbing on one of the lighting rigs and yelling at the guy manning the spotlight. It definitely seems like there is at least some push to blame Scott for this but unless he's seeing someone get beat down or someone comes and actually tells him that people are being killed I can understand him thinking that it's business as usual.
Tragically, this stuff happens at general admission and festival shows every once in a while. I know it's happened to The Who, Guns N' Roses, and Pearl Jam. I'm sure that there are many more that are not at the tip of my memory. If they had proper security - which Monie indicates they did - and if they had control barriers to prevent crowd crush - which I don't know that we know - then I think that this might just be a bad confluence.
Edit:
Here's a bit more including details on needle spiking:
Up to a point, I don't blame Travis Scott directly, although I think once you see ambulance lights in the middle of the crowd, it might be time to take a pause. I mean, there's a whole discussion to be had about his history of inciting riots and violent behavior, etc., but in terms of what he was doing right then and there, I do agree that - again, maybe prior to the ambulance thing - he might not have been able to directly see what was going on.
HOWEVER. Just about every artist wears in-ear monitors these days, and if they don't, there are monitor speakers on the stage and an entire crew in the wings. Somebody from his crew and/or production team should've been in his ear or running out on the stage to tell him what was going on and that they should stop the show until things got sorted. The Houston PD says the show went on for a full 40 minutes after they informed the producers the situation was serious. There's no logistical excuse for that, nor for word to not have traveled to the artist quickly.
I had not heard that forty minutes figure. If Scott's crew knew and were advised to put a stop to it - like, if they weren't told not to stop for fear of crowd reaction, for example - then they're much more at fault here. The same would go for the Houston PD or FD, whoever's call that is to shut it down. (Assuming that the continuation of the show either a) caused further injuries/deaths or b) made locating and treating victims more difficult.)
I’ve also read that the producers and organizers were made aware of the seriousness of the situation and point blank refused to stop the show. I’ve only seen that on Instagram tho with people claiming to be involved or there, but I haven’t seen that picked up by any official outlets. But if that’s true then they need to get ready for an avalanche of lawsuits.
“The Houston police chief, who knows Mr. Scott personally and felt the musician had been trying to do good for his hometown, said that he visited Mr. Scott in his trailer before his show on Friday and conveyed concerns about the energy in the crowd, according to a person with knowledge of the chief’s account.”
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“The Houston police chief, who knows Mr. Scott personally and felt the musician had been trying to do good for his hometown, said that he visited Mr. Scott in his trailer before his show on Friday and conveyed concerns about the energy in the crowd, according to a person with knowledge of the chief’s account.”
It's behind a pay wall so I can't read the nuance here. Were the conclusions to be drawn from the article or was it just background? Was the police chief "blaming" the crowd? Did he think that Scott should've canceled the show due to their energy?
Just ass-covering by the chief of police. If he was worried about it, he should have either cancelled the show or been better prepared for what happened. I don't think Scott is totally blameless, but LN and HPD are probably going to scapegoat him as much as possible.
The Parish is reopening in the former North Door space. It's going to be a joint venture between Heard and Resound. They are also opening a listening bar in the space which sounds cool.
Trying to decide if I want to pay $115 to go see Bon Iver at the new amphitheater lol
I'm real curious how that venue is, the set-up is kind of weird with the lawn being off to the side but it looks nice. I'm probably doing Billy Strings there on 4/22 and trying to decide if I want a lawn ticket or a seated ticket
Seeing Bon Iver in Houston, I don't think it quite sold out yet here
it's not sold out because each ticket is like 90$ lol
I decided I'm out, sucks that there aren't tiered prices, other cities aren't as expensive
I've noticed this as a thing at some of the White Oak Lawn shows. Acts play bigger venues in other cities for cheaper but do an expensive lawn show here. Vampire Weekend back in 2019 was like $90 too.
Bon Iver is on the bucket list though so I bought a ticket. And I do love the venue, but I hope that new 713 Music Hall venue alleviates some of that pressure with pricing
Post by llamaoftime183 on Mar 31, 2022 11:42:24 GMT -5
Actually following up to ask if anyone has been to a show at the Moody Amphitheater, the new one in Austin. I can't find anyone who has and I really want a report on how it is as a venue, and also if the lawn seats are ok or terrible, because their placement looks kind of terrible
Random Austin question - what's Sixth Street like nowadays? I really wanted to go to Key West for my bachelor party but that may not be possible...my fiance just suggested Austin because I've told her about Sixth Street (was there in Aug 2009). For anyone who's been to Key West, how does Sixth Street compare to Duval Street? Duval Street has a live band in every bar and essentially no covers, so you can just grab a drink at each place, watch some music, and move onto the next place. Is Sixth Street similar or do a lot of places have covers/lines/etc?
Random Austin question - what's Sixth Street like nowadays? I really wanted to go to Key West for my bachelor party but that may not be possible...my fiance just suggested Austin because I've told her about Sixth Street (was there in Aug 2009). For anyone who's been to Key West, how does Sixth Street compare to Duval Street? Duval Street has a live band in every bar and essentially no covers, so you can just grab a drink at each place, watch some music, and move onto the next place. Is Sixth Street similar or do a lot of places have covers/lines/etc?
So at this point there are several “6th streets”. Dirty 6th is kinda rough, definitely reminiscent of bourbon street (never been to key west, sorry). East 6th is more hipster, bars with backyards etc. West 6th is sort of a UT bro sort of vibe. There’s also rainey street which is a bunch of old houses turned into bars. As far as music goes, most of the time Friday and Saturdays are going to just be djs. Do512.com is a great resource to see what’s happening on specific days.
