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This is literally the third time I've opened this thread, I'm very much not in mafia mood. At a car dealership now but I will read over the thread as soon as I have a chance.
Just catching up. I'm a teeny bit suspicious of our runoff's composition. This is Kanye's first game, and it's always just kinda weird to me when people are in a rush to vote out newcomers. However, whether he is Mafia or town, it's in the Mafia's best interests for him to stay in the game. So I'm inclined to think that there is no more than one Mafia on Kanye. If the votes stayed where they are, he is set to go forward with ZIG, who is an easy target for votes because of his playing style. So I'm also inclined to believe that there is at least one Mafia on him. There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into the game with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument. I don't really have much to say about Pablo as of yet. I know none of this narrows anything down right now, but it might be helpful later in the game when some of the Mafia are outed.
Also I'm a little wary of how quiet pablo is. I know him to be more talkative, and it makes me wonder if he's trying to stay quiet and avoid drawing attention to himself.
I'd be quite interested in hearing what you have to say on this if you feel like sharing (publicly or via PM).
Right now it's really a wash on Kanye vs. ZIG, and I'm not quite ready to vote yet. Kanye have you played this game before somewhere else or in a different form?
This one's a bit of a toss-up. At first it seemed to me as if Kanye was being coached, but given that he has indeed played this game before, I don't really have much suspicion of him. I do have ideas about who might or might not be Mafia if he does turn out to be nefarious, but I'm not wont to voice those ideas at the moment.
I also don't have any particular reason to vote for ZIG, though I would like to state for the record that my vote for him has nothing to do with his vote or playing style. I just have more notions on Kanye, and if any are them are right I'd like to see where him being alive takes us. And if they're wrong, then it's a toss-up anyway.
Yeah there's definitely shenanigans here. It's rare that you see vote switches late in the first round unless people have a concrete reason or suspicion, and the reasoning for some of the recent moves have been bullshit. I think it's likely that there's a Mafia between Zig/Kanye, and if that is indeed the case, I think have a partner in at least one of LLL/MadDog/LD/Potent.
Among Jaz’s posts, he says “There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into thegame with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument.”
Of course, LD proclaimed ZIG a hindrance on the town which is a totally ridiculous suggestion.
Moreover, in Jaz’s last post, he named LD as one of his suspects.
Granted, Jaz’s posts don’t concretely point to LD but it’s something. And it’s certainly more than it points to me.
Personally I would have been much more satisfied with an LLL/LD runoff because I agree ZIG voters are who need to be looked at.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the only other ZIG voters include LLL who has her vote on me and LD who will certainly be placing a vote on me in the runoff. They need to point their finger somewhere, and I’m the only other ZIG voter left.
I don't think me having the deciding vote gives us much so i'm tying it up with LD's presumed self-preservation vote.
I'm helping my parents but will be home in an hour... if there's a question about this.
No, this makes sense and was to be expected. Potent is the quietest player other than Thor so giving him the final decision gives us information hopefully.
Among Jaz’s posts, he says “There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into thegame with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument.”
Of course, LD proclaimed ZIG a hindrance on the town which is a totally ridiculous suggestion.
Moreover, in Jaz’s last post, he named LD as one of his suspects.
Granted, Jaz’s posts don’t concretely point to LD but it’s something. And it’s certainly more than it points to me.
Do you have any thoughts on what the whack could mean? Having something to say besides making reciprocal votes might help your case... if you are, in fact, town. Even if you end up being voted off it might help us if we had more of an idea of your status.
Among Jaz’s posts, he says “There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into thegame with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument.”
Of course, LD proclaimed ZIG a hindrance on the town which is a totally ridiculous suggestion.
Moreover, in Jaz’s last post, he named LD as one of his suspects.
Granted, Jaz’s posts don’t concretely point to LD but it’s something. And it’s certainly more than it points to me.
I think it's important to clarify something about the Jaz quote you have there. He said that a good bit before LD voted for Zig or even addressed him. The "Zig is unhelpful stuff" was brought up by others. So I think it's unfair to try to force a connection between that quote and LD. Even if Jaz is totally right AND LD is mafia there's little knowing if he could have predicted that. The way you bring it up suggests at possible Inspector connection that's not really there.
I would go so far as to say if he was hinting at mafia pushing Zig, he was probably talking about people that were already voting that way at the time.
Among Jaz’s posts, he says “There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into thegame with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument.”
Of course, LD proclaimed ZIG a hindrance on the town which is a totally ridiculous suggestion.
Moreover, in Jaz’s last post, he named LD as one of his suspects.
Granted, Jaz’s posts don’t concretely point to LD but it’s something. And it’s certainly more than it points to me.
I think it's important to clarify something about the Jaz quote you have there. He said that a good bit before LD voted for Zig or even addressed him. The "Zig is unhelpful stuff" was brought up by others. So I think it's unfair to try to force a connection between that quote and LD. Even if Jaz is totally right AND LD is mafia there's little knowing if he could have predicted that. The way you bring it up suggests at possible Inspector connection that's not really there.
I would go so far as to say if he was hinting at mafia pushing Zig, he was probably talking about people that were already voting that way at the time.
LD went far beyond what anyone said. LD said that ZIG is pretty much detrimental to the town every single game he plays, and that it’s not worth keeping ZIG around. That is pretty disingenuous IMO, and also much more harsh than anything anyone else said about ZIG this game.
On top of that, LD ended up in Jaz’s suspect list right before he was whacked. So it’s obviously something he was able to consider before he died.
Among Jaz’s posts, he says “There's an argument to be made that ZIG's playing style is ultimately unhelpful, so it might make sense to vote him off when you're going into thegame with no info, but I can still see Mafia capitalizing on that argument.”
Of course, LD proclaimed ZIG a hindrance on the town which is a totally ridiculous suggestion.
Moreover, in Jaz’s last post, he named LD as one of his suspects.
Granted, Jaz’s posts don’t concretely point to LD but it’s something. And it’s certainly more than it points to me.
So are you assuming Jaz was the inspector?
I’m not. I think it’s possible Jaz said something in passing that bugged out a mafia. But Jaz wasn’t obviously inspector to me by posting anything ominous.
This is also one of the most disingenuous posts this game. ZIG is actually good at mafia, and painting him like a Viking or KDogg type doesn’t really comport with reality IMO.
Zig explicitly stated that I sucked as an Inspector. I pointed out to him that I had my given name plus a correct second name, and yet Kdogg faked it and played him like a fiddle. If Kdogg isn't all that great, then how would Zig get suckered by him?
Also, Viking has a problem with targeting females - thinking they're emotionally weak and will crack under the pressure.
Lol triggered much? This is so wrong that I had coffee come out my nose. But thanks for thinking of me. Glad to see you guys finally got one going. After 8 months.
I think it's important to clarify something about the Jaz quote you have there. He said that a good bit before LD voted for Zig or even addressed him. The "Zig is unhelpful stuff" was brought up by others. So I think it's unfair to try to force a connection between that quote and LD. Even if Jaz is totally right AND LD is mafia there's little knowing if he could have predicted that. The way you bring it up suggests at possible Inspector connection that's not really there.
I would go so far as to say if he was hinting at mafia pushing Zig, he was probably talking about people that were already voting that way at the time.
LD went far beyond what anyone said. LD said that ZIG is pretty much detrimental to the town every single game he plays, and that it’s not worth keeping ZIG around. That is pretty disingenuous IMO, and also much more harsh than anything anyone else said about ZIG this game.
On top of that, LD ended up in Jaz’s suspect list right before he was whacked. So it’s obviously something he was able to consider before he died.
Reread what I said. I'm not downplaying what LD said. I'm saying the Jaz quote you choose implies a connection that doesn't exist because of the timing because LD had nothing to do with that conversation at the time.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Do you have any thoughts on what the whack could mean? Having something to say besides making reciprocal votes might help your case... if you are, in fact, town. Even if you end up being voted off it might help us if we had more of an idea of your status.
I haven't had much of a chance to re-read Jaz's posts or the whole thread yet. Perhaps Mafia thought Jaz was Inspector. But any reason Jaz may have mentioned me would be coincidental. I may have inadvertently voted with a Mafia member, a name he may have had.
Post by potentpotables on Aug 28, 2018 13:21:48 GMT -5
Potent > LD
LD as mafia fits nicely with Kanye being mafia, without being dependent on it. His save of Kanye on D1 was something I noticed and was uncomfortable with. If they aren't mafia together, it still seems likely to me that one of them is mafia and is dragging the other one along, and it seems more likely that it's LD out of the two of them.
So, I read Jaz's last post over again. He was guessing at least one of Zig or Kanye was Mafia. It's possible, but unlikely IMO, for both to be Mafia. The rest of the list are people that were either supportive of either Zig or Kanye, or people that made vote switches towards the end of Day 1.
I switched from Kanye to Zig because
1. Aside from an initial vote, I had no real suspicion of Kanye at the time 2. I agreed with LLL's idea that maybe we should be nice to the new guy, at least for now 3. I just don't like Zig and never trust the guy, regardless of roles
LD as mafia fits nicely with Kanye being mafia, without being dependent on it. His save of Kanye on D1 was something I noticed and was uncomfortable with. If they aren't mafia together, it still seems likely to me that one of them is mafia and is dragging the other one along, and it seems more likely that it's LD out of the two of them.
LD as mafia fits nicely with Kanye being mafia, without being dependent on it. His save of Kanye on D1 was something I noticed and was uncomfortable with. If they aren't mafia together, it still seems likely to me that one of them is mafia and is dragging the other one along, and it seems more likely that it's LD out of the two of them.
What’s your opinion on Thor? I personally thought he was the better option.
LD as mafia fits nicely with Kanye being mafia, without being dependent on it. His save of Kanye on D1 was something I noticed and was uncomfortable with. If they aren't mafia together, it still seems likely to me that one of them is mafia and is dragging the other one along, and it seems more likely that it's LD out of the two of them.
What’s your opinion on Thor? I personally thought he was the better option.
Thor gives me a small Mafia 111 vibe.
So in this game, he switched to me on D1R1 and basically held is vote the rest of the day while everyone else switched and face planted with explanations; remaining quiet and largely under the radar. Then on Day 2, he basically comes out in full “ZIG support”. It just feels a bit similar to last game when the town had a couple players in it water who turned out to be Mafia, and Thor was the 3rd and went full undercover mode and kept voting out his own.
LD as mafia fits nicely with Kanye being mafia, without being dependent on it. His save of Kanye on D1 was something I noticed and was uncomfortable with. If they aren't mafia together, it still seems likely to me that one of them is mafia and is dragging the other one along, and it seems more likely that it's LD out of the two of them.
What’s your opinion on Thor? I personally thought he was the better option.
First of all, I'm always skeptical of Thor. I know the way he plays as mafia (as does everyone, I assume), and ZIG summed it up nicely above. That just gives me a natural skepticism of him.
In this game, he was the one who reacted to ZIG's day one move by adding ZIG as the second in a three way runoff. His Day Two initial vote made sense to me - I always believe in narrowing down the D1 final tally to look for a split and eliminate voters on one side of the tally. It makes sense to me to come to the conclusion about LD in that light, and it seems like nobody wants to pursue LLL from that side. Either way in this runoff, we will get rid of another ZIG D1 voter, which helps me personally with sequencing and connecting dots.
I don't know, I guess I feel like if Thor is mafia, he's playing me (and he's playing the town again). I have stronger suspicions about LD. His weak ass comment to my vote for him doesn't help, it reaks of lazy LD.
What’s your opinion on Thor? I personally thought he was the better option.
Thor gives me a small Mafia 111 vibe.
So in this game, he switched to me on D1R1 and basically held is vote the rest of the day while everyone else switched and face planted with explanations; remaining quiet and largely under the radar. Then on Day 2, he basically comes out in full “ZIG support”. It just feels a bit similar to last game when the town had a couple players in it water who turned out to be Mafia, and Thor was the 3rd and went full undercover mode and kept voting out his own.
FWIW I was going to vote for Kanye at the end if it came to it. I know that I’m town so unless I have a compelling need to move my vote, I’d rathe see what everyone else does.
