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Yes. Look at how Pablo wouldn't give reason for his vote. That was the conversation. Also I'm not the one accused, you are. You have to somehow prove your innocence, I don't
Cuz I have five votes on me and Mafia might be about to cinch this? No shit I'm trying to prove my innocence.
I voted to counter kanye's move, which was obvious to everyone except apparently you. Then, I felt kind of good about being on Thor, and I explained why, which again did not parrot your reasoning the way you suggested.
A direct counter would have been moving to Zig to create a runoff. All you did was change the choices from Zig/me to Zig/Thor for someone else to help make a runoff.
Cuz I have five votes on me and Mafia might be about to cinch this? No shit I'm trying to prove my innocence.
I voted to counter kanye's move, which was obvious to everyone except apparently you. Then, I felt kind of good about being on Thor, and I explained why, which again did not parrot your reasoning the way you suggested.
A direct counter would have been moving to Zig to create a runoff. All you did was change the choices from Zig/me to Zig/Thor for someone else to help make a runoff.
A direct counter would have been moving to Zig to create a runoff. All you did was change the choices from Zig/me to Zig/Thor for someone else to help make a runoff.
That's not a counter. That's just skipping to the next stage of runoffs.
So how is changing your vote a counter? With or without your switch Dan is lynched straight away without another change. That is apparently what I'm not understanding here
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 4, 2019 21:32:45 GMT -5
Thor had two votes on him. Kanye changed his. Thor then had one vote on him. I then moved to Thor, countering kanye's vote switch, giving Thor two votes again and lengthening the round, letting it play out til the deadline, like we literally always do.
You want me to have moved to ZIG. I could have just as easily stayed on you and allowed someone to move to you, producing the same result of a two-person runoff. But only scenarios that directly benefit you seem to matter or be valid.
I've only seen him do this thing 1 time before. We will see if I'm right or not soon enough.
interesting...on page 8...LD, why did you vote carini if he was your first guess? you could have put anyone else in, you could have overstacked someone to get movement, instead you pushed carini forward. you kept bringing up that other players didn't have votes at all, and then instead of voting for say Jaz, you threw a known town into a runoff?
1. Placeholder vote. Once that runoff started, I moved fairly quickly off Carini. 2. Was trying to see vote movements of other players. 3. Jaz/Pablo/Tainted didn't have any votes, so it didn't make sense trying to push them for a runoff when people wanted a four way runoff. 4. I was trying to make Kanye look like the Inspector, to avoid getting whacked on night two. See my little paranoid spell towards the end of night two.
Thor had two votes on him. Kanye changed his. Thor then had one vote on him. I then moved to Thor, countering kanye's vote switch, giving Thor two votes again and lengthening the round, letting it play out til the deadline, like we literally always do.
You want me to have moved to ZIG. I could have just as easily stayed on you and allowed someone to move to you, producing the same result of a two-person runoff. But only scenarios that directly benefit you seem to matter or be valid.
The first part was the explanation I was looking for when you made the vote and when I asked about it. You never said anything before about moving to Thor because Kanye moved off him. I assumed it would have been to get us closer to a runoff which that vote wasn't.
Where are you coming up with taht I wanted you to move to Zig?
A direct counter would have been moving to Zig to create a runoff. All you did was change the choices from Zig/me to Zig/Thor for someone else to help make a runoff.
A direct counter would have been moving to Zig to create a runoff. All you did was change the choices from Zig/me to Zig/Thor for someone else to help make a runoff.
I mean, I thought it was totally obvious and I've clearly explained it multiple times sense. If you're actually Town, you're getting awfully hung up on it. Also, you've challenged the reasoning I have given, so I feel like you're being disingenuous here.
I mean, I thought it was totally obvious and I've clearly explained it multiple times sense. If you're actually Town, you're getting awfully hung up on it. Also, you've challenged the reasoning I have given, so I feel like you're being disingenuous here.
Glad it took us 3 game days and way to many posts to understand each other lol
I can see how you see it that way. At the time, I think your vote to push Danbob up to 4 before the deadline (essentially attempting to skip a round) probably caused those reactionary vote changes as most here tend to not want to skip rounds (myself included even though I do what you did frequently).
One option is that it was just townies trying to switch up votes to counteract your round skip and bring it back to 3 in the runoff. Another option that you are eluding to is that Mafia took use of your switch to shuffle things around to benefit them.
Personally, I didn’t see much difference in having Carini or Thor in the runoff with me and Danbob because I felt like it was going to be me and Danbob ultimately so that 3rd person would have gotten dropped anyway.
I know this was from a while ago but in the leave no stone unturned from the stoner, I'm wondering if you can explain how you came to that conclusion that I bolded
At the time, Danbob and I were doing a little bit of chatting about new players and we were both in the runoff. Nothing else was really happening in the game and the other two in the runoff, Carini and Thor, hadn’t really peaked much interest yet. So when Kanye tried to speed up the round, it was basically him pushing Danbob up so I think it was pretty safe to assume I would be the one getting moved forward. That’s why I said after the fact that Indidnt think it mattered if Carini or Thor were the 3rd, because I thought it was pretty obvious Danbob and I would be moving forward.
I’m catching up, Tainted Opossum. What would you like to chat about? I guess I don’t know why you and others are complaining about my input. I’m pretty sure I’ve been active and provided my opinion and answered questions when they’ve come my way. I’ve gone many games without being in a fight.
Finished a reread. Taint, if LD is faking, who was the inspector, Thor or Kanye? And who was the given name? You’ve stated more than once you think I could be Mafia with LD. I don’t see how I fit into the possible scenarios based on who our inspector could be and that LD would be Mafia. You all know I wouldn’t agree to a LD fake reveal if I were Mafia with him. And if he defied me on that, I’d be the first to throw him under the bus.
I think LD’s reveal is super sketch. It reeks of desperation or straight sloppiness. He could be the inspector and just being typical LD and fucking it all up as usual. I tried to lay things out as best as I could. For Scenario 2, Carini could also fall under Mafia if you believe LD’s fake reveal is also an attempt to give fellow mafia Carini cover.
For Scenario 1, the options for the third mafia are the two unknown deads (Danbob / JTR), and Jaz, and Maddog. Maddog has felt more town to me so over Jaz. In this scenario, we would need to take out Pablo, because If neither Danbob nor JTR are mafia, we lose if we leave Pablo alive. But if we keep Pablo alive and we get to Day 4, we confirm that one of Danbob / JTR was Mafia and we would have the two remaining mafia known and alive and ready be whacked on Day 4 and Day 5. So basically a chance to lose immediately, but also a confirmed townie win.
For Scenario 2, we seem a bit more screwed. If we kill LD now, we guarantee ourselves a Day 4. If we don’t, we could lose outright if all 3 mafia are alive. If we leave LD alive, and make it to a Day 4, then we confirm one of Danbob / JTR as Mafia. The question in this scenario is how to categorize a Carini. Was LD’s motivation to just sway a townie to his side by “confirming” his role, or was he actively trying to “clear” one of his mafia mates. I could see that argument going either way. I’m also curious to a mafia LD in this situation. Because even if he survives Day 3, being a fake reveal means he’d be alive on Day 4, so gig would be up at that point and he would die. So is he just delaying the inevitable, because that would assume we are close to getting all the Mafia, or is he just being a crazy Mafia, ala Dexter JR.?
I’m going to sleep and think since we have until Monday to think this out.
Finished a reread. Taint, if LD is faking, who was the inspector, Thor or Kanye? And who was the given name? You’ve stated more than once you think I could be Mafia with LD. I don’t see how I fit into the possible scenarios based on who our inspector could be and that LD would be Mafia. You all know I wouldn’t agree to a LD fake reveal if I were Mafia with him. And if he defied me on that, I’d be the first to throw him under the bus.
I think LD’s reveal is super sketch. It reeks of desperation or straight sloppiness. He could be the inspector and just being typical LD and fucking it all up as usual. I tried to lay things out as best as I could. For Scenario 2, Carini could also fall under Mafia if you believe LD’s fake reveal is also an attempt to give fellow mafia Carini cover.
For Scenario 1, the options for the third mafia are the two unknown deads (Danbob / JTR), and Jaz, and Maddog. Maddog has felt more town to me so over Jaz. In this scenario, we would need to take out Pablo, because If neither Danbob nor JTR are mafia, we lose if we leave Pablo alive. But if we keep Pablo alive and we get to Day 4, we confirm that one of Danbob / JTR was Mafia and we would have the two remaining mafia known and alive and ready be whacked on Day 4 and Day 5. So basically a chance to lose immediately, but also a confirmed townie win.
For Scenario 2, we seem a bit more screwed. If we kill LD now, we guarantee ourselves a Day 4. If we don’t, we could lose outright if all 3 mafia are alive. If we leave LD alive, and make it to a Day 4, then we confirm one of Danbob / JTR as Mafia. The question in this scenario is how to categorize a Carini. Was LD’s motivation to just sway a townie to his side by “confirming” his role, or was he actively trying to “clear” one of his mafia mates. I could see that argument going either way. I’m also curious to a mafia LD in this situation. Because even if he survives Day 3, being a fake reveal means he’d be alive on Day 4, so gig would be up at that point and he would die. So is he just delaying the inevitable, because that would assume we are close to getting all the Mafia, or is he just being a crazy Mafia, ala Dexter JR.?
I’m going to sleep and think since we have until Monday to think this out.
At this point, I assume thor was inspector. Its baseless beyond that Kanye potentially had an opportunity to feel pressure applied from the runoff and reveal and didnt or chose not to.
Post by Tainted Opossum on Jan 5, 2019 8:07:52 GMT -5
Sparing LD, to me, spells the end of this game. We dont know who 2 or 3 is, no one feels they accurately killed mafia so far, and from what I can tell the fake reveal this game doesn't actually seem convincing to even those who continue to vote in its favor. The only good mafia scum is dead mafia scum, keeping someone alive just to see if mafia kills them seems like a huge gamble for little to no payoff. THEY CAN READ THESE PAGES TOO EVERYONE, THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY. I had to caps that cos it seems like relevant info.
Sparing LD, to me, spells the end of this game. We dont know who 2 or 3 is, no one feels they accurately killed mafia so far, and from what I can tell the fake reveal this game doesn't actually seem convincing to even those who continue to vote in its favor. The only good mafia scum is dead mafia scum, keeping someone alive just to see if mafia kills them seems like a huge gamble for little to no payoff. THEY CAN READ THESE PAGES TOO EVERYONE, THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY. I had to caps that cos it seems like relevant info.
I'm not 100% on voting out Pablo (and I have a lot to read through since I went to bed last night), but try to take a step back from your own perspective for a minute. If you're town, you know LD is Mafia, so the way forward is clear. But outside of that, do you know of any games where we've outright voted off an inspector post-reveal instead of the person they named? Yes, the mafia can plan accordingly to try and outmaneuver the town, but they have to either confirm LD as inspector by whacking him or risk the Inspector gaining more info for the town. Either way, it puts the mafia on the defensive, which is where we want them.
Sparing LD, to me, spells the end of this game. We dont know who 2 or 3 is, no one feels they accurately killed mafia so far, and from what I can tell the fake reveal this game doesn't actually seem convincing to even those who continue to vote in its favor. The only good mafia scum is dead mafia scum, keeping someone alive just to see if mafia kills them seems like a huge gamble for little to no payoff. THEY CAN READ THESE PAGES TOO EVERYONE, THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY. I had to caps that cos it seems like relevant info.
I'm not 100% on voting out Pablo (and I have a lot to read through since I went to bed last night), but try to take a step back from your own perspective for a minute. If you're town, you know LD is Mafia, so the way forward is clear. But outside of that, do you know of any games where we've outright voted off an inspector post-reveal instead of the person they named? Yes, the mafia can plan accordingly to try and outmaneuver the town, but they have to either confirm LD as inspector by whacking him or risk the Inspector gaining more info for the town. Either way, it puts the mafia on the defensive, which is where we want them.
Yeah but if LD is alive tomorrow there is a chance that 3 mafia are alive. Please stop with "We've never seen THAT before!" - its a terrible way to play this game and really - substantially stranger things have come from this game than lynching the person responsible for what everyone can agree is a highly suspect late game meaningless "reveal" that really only spares the inspector and scrambles any established logic in the game.
And no - they aren't on the defensive if they are going into the next day 2-3 strong with a plausible defense of whacking or not whacking LD - it seems like they are actually poised to win at that point.
I'm not 100% on voting out Pablo (and I have a lot to read through since I went to bed last night), but try to take a step back from your own perspective for a minute. If you're town, you know LD is Mafia, so the way forward is clear. But outside of that, do you know of any games where we've outright voted off an inspector post-reveal instead of the person they named? Yes, the mafia can plan accordingly to try and outmaneuver the town, but they have to either confirm LD as inspector by whacking him or risk the Inspector gaining more info for the town. Either way, it puts the mafia on the defensive, which is where we want them.
Yeah but if LD is alive tomorrow there is a chance that 3 mafia are alive. Please stop with "We've never seen THAT before!" - its a terrible way to play this game and really - substantially stranger things have come from this game than lynching the person responsible for what everyone can agree is a highly suspect late game meaningless "reveal" that really only spares the inspector and scrambles any established logic in the game.
And no - they aren't on the defensive if they are going into the next day 2-3 strong with a plausible defense of whacking or not whacking LD - it seems like they are actually poised to win at that point.
If three Mafia are still alive after the end of Day 3, there is no day 4 because Mafia would outnumber town and the game is over.
Yeah but if LD is alive tomorrow there is a chance that 3 mafia are alive. Please stop with "We've never seen THAT before!" - its a terrible way to play this game and really - substantially stranger things have come from this game than lynching the person responsible for what everyone can agree is a highly suspect late game meaningless "reveal" that really only spares the inspector and scrambles any established logic in the game.
And no - they aren't on the defensive if they are going into the next day 2-3 strong with a plausible defense of whacking or not whacking LD - it seems like they are actually poised to win at that point.
If three Mafia are still alive after the end of Day 3, there is no day 4 because Mafia would outnumber town and the game is over.
You can appreciate the severity of the situation more than anyone then. By claiming Inspector this late in the game, you've pushed town to an extreme difficult position of trusting your milquetoast approach to clue finding and brain dead reveal timing. I've seen you fail as inspector before, to take this approach this game does none of your past failures any justice. If anything, you're leaning on them now to convince folks like shit bird that this is somehow par for the course and its acceptable. It's not. You're mafia, and you need to die today in order to secure any possible route to W for the town. If you're inspector as you've falsely claimed, you deserve to die because your indifference to this game has doomed the town to their own fate without the aide of an adequate inspector. I'm glad you've taken the time to run the numbers on 3 mafia alive in Day 4, take some time to appreciate things from towns point of view as you've become more of a burden by revealing and crumb laying as poorly as you have.
I sat back and waited too long and got fucked over. Now the town's only hope is in Carini, Maddog, and whoever's town between Zig/Jaz. Honestly, I don't even think this is going to work. I'm sorry town, I've failed you.
I sat back and waited too long and got fucked over. Now the town's only hope is in Carini, Maddog, and whoever's town between Zig/Jaz. Honestly, I don't even think this is going to work. I'm sorry town, I've failed you.
No you didn't start here and thats the problem. Humility means very little when its feigned. You started with a fear the consequences reveal, not a "fall on my sword because I suck at this game and deserve to go down forgive my failures!" approach.
Finished a reread. Taint, if LD is faking, who was the inspector, Thor or Kanye? And who was the given name? You’ve stated more than once you think I could be Mafia with LD. I don’t see how I fit into the possible scenarios based on who our inspector could be and that LD would be Mafia. You all know I wouldn’t agree to a LD fake reveal if I were Mafia with him. And if he defied me on that, I’d be the first to throw him under the bus.
I think LD’s reveal is super sketch. It reeks of desperation or straight sloppiness. He could be the inspector and just being typical LD and fucking it all up as usual. I tried to lay things out as best as I could. For Scenario 2, Carini could also fall under Mafia if you believe LD’s fake reveal is also an attempt to give fellow mafia Carini cover.
For Scenario 1, the options for the third mafia are the two unknown deads (Danbob / JTR), and Jaz, and Maddog. Maddog has felt more town to me so over Jaz. In this scenario, we would need to take out Pablo, because If neither Danbob nor JTR are mafia, we lose if we leave Pablo alive. But if we keep Pablo alive and we get to Day 4, we confirm that one of Danbob / JTR was Mafia and we would have the two remaining mafia known and alive and ready be whacked on Day 4 and Day 5. So basically a chance to lose immediately, but also a confirmed townie win.
For Scenario 2, we seem a bit more screwed. If we kill LD now, we guarantee ourselves a Day 4. If we don’t, we could lose outright if all 3 mafia are alive. If we leave LD alive, and make it to a Day 4, then we confirm one of Danbob / JTR as Mafia. The question in this scenario is how to categorize a Carini. Was LD’s motivation to just sway a townie to his side by “confirming” his role, or was he actively trying to “clear” one of his mafia mates. I could see that argument going either way. I’m also curious to a mafia LD in this situation. Because even if he survives Day 3, being a fake reveal means he’d be alive on Day 4, so gig would be up at that point and he would die. So is he just delaying the inevitable, because that would assume we are close to getting all the Mafia, or is he just being a crazy Mafia, ala Dexter JR.?
I’m going to sleep and think since we have until Monday to think this out.
At this point, I assume thor was inspector. Its baseless beyond that Kanye potentially had an opportunity to feel pressure applied from the runoff and reveal and didnt or chose not to.
All this bitching about me and that’s all you have to say? Jeez..
