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Post by DammitDereck on Jun 14, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -5
So how "in trouble" do you think Coachella is going forward? Obviously the loss of 2 of the biggest artists in the world is going to make the year and overall lineup seem underwhelming to the general public, but do you guys expect it to have any noticeable ramifications on subsequent years?
So how "in trouble" do you think Coachella is going forward? Obviously the loss of 2 of the biggest artists in the world is going to make the year and overall lineup seem underwhelming to the general public, but do you guys expect it to have any noticeable ramifications on subsequent years?
I think people have short memories. If we get Rihanna/Bruno Mars/Kanye/Metallica/insert other huge names people will return. But again with this many tickets I don’t know how long you can rely on huge names while remaining “credible” (whatever that word means to you). The next 5-10 years of festivals will be fun to watch. Will booking fees go down and we get stacked lineups? Will festivals die? Who knows but it’ll be interesting to watch
Post by Fozzie Bear on Jun 14, 2019 13:31:25 GMT -5
Seems like smaller, more focused genre festivals are thriving while the big fests trying to appeal to everyone are suffering. Look at success of smaller fests like Second Sky, Paradiso, Just Like Heaven, Lights On, etc.
Post by stlallison on Jun 14, 2019 13:47:19 GMT -5
Welp, since three years of ticket purchases apparently isn't "loyal" enough... I've been stuck in queue now for 45 minutes for the regular presale. And my blue man hasn't moved in 15.
Word on the street is that weekend one is already sold out. Still crossing my fingers for weekend two.
Welp, since three years of ticket purchases apparently isn't "loyal" enough... I've been stuck in queue now for 45 minutes for the regular presale. And my blue man hasn't moved in 15.
Word on the street is that weekend one is already sold out. Still crossing my fingers for weekend two.
Weekend 1 GA is sold out, but GA + Shuttle is still available. Everything still available W2.
Coachella #5 here I come. I got Weekend 1 again, but I might do both weekends next year.. 2019 just left me with such a good feeling, I hope 2020 can be just as good. I totally blanked out and forgot about the sale today and got in line an hour late.. had to buy that shuttle pass that I won't be using again. Sigh. I didn't get a loyalty email even though I've been 4 years in a row..
So how "in trouble" do you think Coachella is going forward? Obviously the loss of 2 of the biggest artists in the world is going to make the year and overall lineup seem underwhelming to the general public, but do you guys expect it to have any noticeable ramifications on subsequent years?
Ariana came out of nowhere to headline, W2 got kanye and NSync gave fans a minor Timberlake fix.
There are rumours of a 2020 tour from nSync for their 25th anniversary. Not clear if Justin is involved, or if they will just jump from this "I love the 90's" tour to another "90's tour" to opening for BSB/NKOTB etc....
So how "in trouble" do you think Coachella is going forward? Obviously the loss of 2 of the biggest artists in the world is going to make the year and overall lineup seem underwhelming to the general public, but do you guys expect it to have any noticeable ramifications on subsequent years?
Ariana came out of nowhere to headline, W2 got kanye and NSync gave fans a minor Timberlake fix.
There are rumours of a 2020 tour from nSync for their 25th anniversary. Not clear if Justin is involved, or if they will just jump from this "I love the 90's" tour to another "90's tour" to opening for BSB/NKOTB etc....
Tame and Gambino just weren't good motivators to get casuals excited for Coachella 2019. Ariana was a great booking but she can't carry a festival with Tame and Gambino as her #2 and #3. I don't think Coachella is in any trouble for regular sale. This year's HLers hurt 2020's presale, because more people will take a wait and see approach. But if they knock 2020's line up out of the park then it'll sell out just fine.
Sorry to bring Tyler back up, but he's selling really well.. sold out MSG on a Thursday. No doubt in my mind that he's a headliner (he won't be booked 2020 though). I know co-headliners are a slim chance but imagine like a Tyler/BTS co-headline.. would be cool to see, in my opinion.
Sorry to bring Tyler back up, but he's selling really well.. sold out MSG on a Thursday. No doubt in my mind that he's a headliner (he won't be booked 2020 though). I know co-headliners are a slim chance but imagine like a Tyler/BTS co-headline.. would be cool to see, in my opinion.
It will feel very underwhelming right now for him to headline, especially after last year's weak headliners
This festival is $424, over $500 with a shuttle, on top of hefty housing prices for those who don't camp. People want to be wowed, and Tyler headlining doesn't make me say "Oh wow this lineup is crazy" (and this is coming from someone who is likely going to CFG to see him)
Tyler's always gonna have his festival in November which will always be a GV sponsored show there. He's a very popular artist who will sellout MSG, The Forum, etc. in big cities, but he'd still have to take a huge step up in popularity for GV to want to anchor around him 3 times in a 13 month period (Flog '19, Coachella '20, Flog '20) when Coachella tickets are starting to show the first signs of hitting of struggling a bit in a decade.
More broad point here - I wonder if GV is tossing around the idea of booking a random headliner this year outside of the core demographic to increase ticket sales. I know I've been the historical "no, no, NO" man when it comes to any U.S. festival booking Bruce Springsteen, as it hasn't made sense in a while - but he's touring with the E Street Band in 2020 per his own admission and I think it would be a home run booking for them. Desert Trip II looks more unlikely with each passing year, so you can't keep saving him. Bruce still has some appeal to the core demographic - I'm sure every 20 year old in the audience is at least familiar with Born to Run, Thunder Road, etc. - and I think it would move an extra ~10k passes a week (with a LOT of VIP/hospitality) if these were the first 2020 E Street Band shows, which would be the first E Street shows in ~4 years. Booking someone like Rihanna would be huge - but does it get anyone out to the Fields who wasn't going to go anyway?
Post by TickleMeElmo on Jun 15, 2019 18:30:25 GMT -5
BTS makes 100x more sense than someone like Springsteen.
No offense but I feel like Inforoo has a huge bias in favor of Springsteen. I honestly don’t think many young people give a shit about him as much as you guys think they do, at least not nearly as much as other classics.
BTS makes 100x more sense than someone like Springsteen.
No offense but I feel like Inforoo has a huge bias in favor of Springsteen. I honestly don’t think many young people give a shit about him as much as you guys think they do, at least not nearly as much as other classics.
People under 25 don't really care about AC/DC, Jack White, LCD Soundsystem, GnR, or Radiohead, but they got booked in probably the three year peak of popularity for Coachella before tickets got a bit softer in 2018 and 2019. Obviously Rolling Stones and Macca are pretty much on a different level of popularity than anyone else, but if GV is trying to pull a 'classic act' next year and it's options are Neil Young, Stevie Wonder, Billy Joel, Metallica, The Who, or infringing on their own 300+ show Elton John roll out, I don't know how you wouldn't think Springsteen would be toward the top there in terms of bridging between generations.
Don't know how BTS came into this conversation, but that's not happening. They're already playing multi-date stadiums across LA, Chicago, NYC, etc. - no reason for them to play. Of course GV would try to book them if they can, but there's no "exposure discount" for them - and I don't see GV giving them GnR/Beyonce level "it's going to hurt the rest of our lineup to book them" money, which is prob what it would require at this point.
Don't mean to be argumentative because I agree with your broader point, that it's probably (almost definitely) not happening. Just offering some sort of suggestion for when the headliners are inevitably something like Rihanna / Travis Scott / Chance the Rapper and GV is wondering why they're having a tough time moving 250k tix.
Couple small font bands I think that will be there out of nothing but gut feel:
FONTAINES DC (this year's Shame) Charly Bliss (this year's Hop Along) PUP (this year's Turnstile) Basement (this year's Turnover) Also think Snail Mail and Girlpool could come back and billed a lot higher than last time with new music
Post by braundiggity on Jun 15, 2019 22:23:38 GMT -5
Booking Springsteen would go against my pet “GV won’t book a legacy headliner if another major US fest already did” theory, so I don’t think that’s happening. And I am not sure people would care at this point, sadly...Elton is a better choice. But I’m also dubious BTS would be a good booking to headline. Yes, people loved Blackpink, but I didn’t see a ton of obviously K-Pop fans this year. Moreso people who discovered them and were into the idea of a ridiculous K-Pop show. I dunno that they moved many tickets themselves (hard to tell since they also had Forum shows). It might make sense at some point but not yet.
Booking Springsteen would go against my pet “GV won’t book a legacy headliner if another major US fest already did” theory, so I don’t think that’s happening. And I am not sure people would care at this point, sadly...Elton is a better choice.
Elton has already played OSL and Bonnaroo, so I guess we can stop talking about him because of your dumb rule.
Booking Springsteen would go against my pet “GV won’t book a legacy headliner if another major US fest already did” theory, so I don’t think that’s happening. And I am not sure people would care at this point, sadly...Elton is a better choice.
Elton has already played OSL and Bonnaroo, so I guess we can stop talking about him because of your dumb rule.
Haha yes, totally! My point was more that if my dumb rule got broken, I think it’s more likely with Elton than Bruce. But yeah, let’s stop talking about both, my rules rule.
FWIW, Tyler tickets are still available for the 8k capacity venue he's playing in Houston. Cheapest are $40. Houston is big and very rap-friendly.
Texas is not big on Tyler in my personal experience. Still should be enough Indie heads to fill that venue in the 4th largest metropolis area in the US, one would think. i can't think of a Hip Hop fan I know that is into Tyler.
FWIW, Tyler tickets are still available for the 8k capacity venue he's playing in Houston. Cheapest are $40. Houston is big and very rap-friendly.
Texas is not big on Tyler in my personal experience. Still should be enough Indie heads to fill that venue in the 4th largest metropolis area in the US, one would think. i can't think of a Hip Hop fan I know that is into Tyler.
Houston isn't the same thing as Texas. Houston's support for rap and hip-hop (Cardi B being one of the biggest concerts in Houston Rodeo history, for example) is much stronger than its support for indie (many indie acts skipping us on tours).
Trying to divorce Tyler from hip-hop and rap is weird as shit, too.
Sorry to bring Tyler back up, but he's selling really well.. sold out MSG on a Thursday.
Wow, how amazing that an artist sold out a 20,000 seat arena in a metro area of 20,000,000. No other artists ever do that.
If you've followed Tyler from the early days, it's a really big deal. It's RARE to see niche hiphop artists like Tyler get to this level. Actually not sure if anyone's ever done it before him actually.