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Oh its cool...just 2 dead, 1 injured. No big deal..../s
There was a shooting in Grant Park in Chicago yesterday where 7 are dead and several injured, but it is crickets on the news about it. I only saw it because I saw a local Chicago news article about it.
Where are you seeing this? I was there all weekend and heard nothing about this and I don’t see any articles
There was a shooting in Grant Park in Chicago yesterday where 7 are dead and several injured, but it is crickets on the news about it. I only saw it because I saw a local Chicago news article about it.
Where are you seeing this? I was there all weekend and heard nothing about this and I don’t see any articles
Daaamn. Wtf is this and I'm sorry this shithead wandered/stalked your profile and left this vile trash. Please be safe.
It seems incredibly on the nose. But literally this person or bot, just stated the likes of - (Insert minority) caused the problem by existing and speaking!! Therefore they deserve to be punished for violence unilaterally posed against them.
Our world isn't ok. I've never been more reluctant to not speak my mind on facebook than ever before, and that's REALLY saying something.
The history of gun control in this country has always been to continue the marginalization of those who are not white, cis-het men. I would assume any attempt to bring gun control in America now would do little to change that fact.
Even the NRA at one point supported gun control back in the 60s and 70s, once they saw Black Panthers open carrying.
The online message board 8chan suffered sporadic outages Monday after its cybersecurity provider cut it off for what it called a “cesspool of hate” following mass shootings in Texas and Ohio.
But the board, which has a history of use by violent extremists, also quickly found a new online host. That company also provides such support for Gab.com, another social media site frequented by white supremacists that doesn’t ban hate speech.
As we tie gun policy to immigration, Cruz and other propose further tax cuts in relation to interest rates increasing (aka DUMP YOUR FUCKING STOCKS NOW).
Never forget that manipulation, and off the book commerce matters. Imagine if there was true capitalist competition and croney capitalist bullshit that is going to burn us to the ground.
You can't keep borrowing against yourself, and you can't keep lowering taxes ESPECIALLY on the wealthy because they contribute the most money by gross. But people think percentages hold full perspective and, to be clear, these fuckers should be back at 50% taxation over a million, maybe 10 million. It's simple math of variable cost evaluation for the earner vs. population; the earner of that rate can't EVER expend said resources, while population literally starves for said resources. Which science matters more: the dollar bill or the success of society, is the real question.
Can't wait to see how much the Dems are willing to give up for next to nothing.
For background checks, we gonna guarantee the wall and fully fund it? We gonna cut back legal immigration in half? Officially sanction BDS and/or antifa?
It saddens me to see so much focus on mental health in regards to gun violence. People with mental illness are more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it, and although I don't have the research in front of me to back it up, I'd wager high that most people committing these mass shootings are not mentally ill. Furthermore, "mentally ill" is a broad fucking category. I have moderate anxiety. It is a mental illness. It has no bearing on my desire (or lack thereof) to go on a shooting rampage. Ditto for most people with depression. Or OCD. When we talk about mental illness in regards to gun violence, we're often talking about people in a state of psychosis that - at the time - is manifesting in the form of delusion, disorganization, and poor impulse control. Some people in psychotic states are completely catatonic. Others want to hole themselves up in a corner and cry until the paranoia goes away. Given the current state of things, I think it makes sense to bar people with Axis I diagnoses - schizophrenia and the similarly disorganized, bipolar disorder I, major depressive disorder with psychosis, etc - from legally buying guns (and even that will do a disservice to many largely nonviolent people, but I think right now more sweeping measures are needed, unfortunately), but we need to stop acting like mental illness is the most important factor - or even one of the more important factors - in gun violence. Even if the law on the books only referred to the more serious disorders, the blanket of "mentally ill" covers far too many people to make it a worthwhile conversation.
Not to mention that most tests for mental illness are self-reported, meaning they're waaaaaaaay easy to bullshit. "Do you ever feel like harming yourself or others?" "No." It's really that easy sometimes.
I'm getting ranty but we need to be looking more about SOCIAL and EMOTIONAL illness. These violent perpetrators are often isolated, socially rejected, and harbor intense feelings of anger. Their mental faculties are completely intact, but their emotional drives are what gives them the impetus to carry these things out. That's why although I personally really really don't like guns and think their fetishization is kinda sick and weird, I don't bang the gun control drum too hard because it's not a legal problem, it's a cultural one. Gun control measures can help lead the cultural change but we need to stop glorifying power for power's sake. We need to stop blaming the Other for our own issues. We need to stop treating anger like a dirty emotion. We need to encourage men to express emotion healthily. We need to stop equating emotion with weakness. All that toxic masculinity shit that isn't gonna get fixed by changing the law books.
None of this has shit to do with mental illness. If all of what we currently consider to be mental illness was magically cured overnight, we'd still have issues with gun violence.
I really just want someone to get on the mic at one of these debates and yell out HUG YOUR FUCKING KIDS. This shit starts in the home. In our relationships with each other. In how we treat each other. The shootings are gonna continue until those things change.
Well, well.. As Neil DeGrass-Tyson would point out; If these numbers would've correlated like some politicians have pointed out today/yesterday then there's absolutely no correlation between video games and gun deaths.
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Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Aug 5, 2019 16:43:32 GMT -5
If they actually gave a shit about people with mental illness they'd be talking about suicide rates and firearm ownership. That's the gun violence that harms them the most. So if you're wanting to bar people with bi-polar,like myself, from having guns actually understand the issue. Don't just use us as a scapegoat.
It saddens me to see so much focus on mental health in regards to gun violence. People with mental illness are more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it, and although I don't have the research in front of me to back it up, I'd wager high that most people committing these mass shootings are not mentally ill.
As we tie gun policy to immigration, Cruz and other propose further tax cuts in relation to interest rates increasing (aka DUMP YOUR FUCKING STOCKS NOW).
I’m sure some of you will call me a sniveling neoliberal coward for saying this, but I think that if Republicans demand that any gun control legislation has to be tied to comprehensive universal healthcare to help treat mental illness, Democrats should accept.
I don't see how that's a bad thing. But what if it's also tied to funding for the border wall/ICE or more tax cuts for the rich or some other sinister shit those on the right are probably going to try and pull
I think it speaks from both a lack of better understanding when pointing at causes like 'video games' and 'mental illness' and trying to deflect the real cause of this all. His words are all sooo dumbed down and it's annoying ever since he came onto television when he was running for president.
I mean honestly what do these men know about mental health in the first place? They probably have heard the term depression somewhere in their lifetime slipping around but what with PTSD, autism, OCD, eating disorders, gender and sexdisorders, sleepdisorders.. It's insane how ignorant these words come across especially when you're goddamn studying for it.
I’m sure some of you will call me a sniveling neoliberal coward for saying this, but I think that if Republicans demand that any gun control legislation has to be tied to comprehensive universal healthcare to help treat mental illness, Democrats should accept.
I don't think this is the worst thing in the world. Them working together towards solutions that at least start addressing the problem is better than constant stalemates.
I do worry that the Dems will bend too much but it's not like it can't be built upon with a future administration.
Having gone through government run mental health facilities I will say there's a lot of work to be done there. The bureaucratic nature of them almost guarantee folks fall through the cracks. But that's both a institutional and mental health eventuality.
If they actually gave a shit about people with mental illness they'd be talking about suicide rates and firearm ownership. That's the gun violence that harms them the most. So if you're wanting to bar people with bi-polar,like myself, from having guns actually understand the issue. Don't just use us as a scapegoat.
That's to politicians. Not Jaz, who I agree with.
I'm hesitant to support sweeping legislation barring those with Axis I disorders because I know several people (yourself included) who wouldn't hurt anyone. That being said, you'd probably also agree that when not following their medication/treatment protocol, people with such disorders...can get wily in one way or another, and unfortunately that often ends in hospitalization even when violence isn't involved. I think it's important that we don't further stigmatize people for having an illness, but we also need to take precautions to try and make sure weapons aren't easily accessible to people who might not have the firmest grip on reality (or are at least prone to slipping into such a state). I'm not sure how possible it would be to create legislation nuanced enough to balance both sides of this. Since such legislation would directly affect you, is that sort of legislation something you would support?
If they actually gave a shit about people with mental illness they'd be talking about suicide rates and firearm ownership. That's the gun violence that harms them the most. So if you're wanting to bar people with bi-polar,like myself, from having guns actually understand the issue. Don't just use us as a scapegoat.
That's to politicians. Not Jaz, who I agree with.
I'm hesitant to support sweeping legislation barring those with Axis I disorders because I know several people (yourself included) who wouldn't hurt anyone. That being said, you'd probably also agree that when not following their medication/treatment protocol, people with such disorders...can get wily in one way or another, and unfortunately that often ends in hospitalization even when violence isn't involved. I think it's important that we don't further stigmatize people for having an illness, but we also need to take precautions to try and make sure weapons aren't easily accessible to people who might not have the firmest grip on reality (or are at least prone to slipping into such a state). I'm not sure how possible it would be to create legislation nuanced enough to balance both sides of this. Since such legislation would directly affect you, is that sort of legislation something you would support?
i don't agree with this (bolded part) really. everyone's got breaking points, everyone's going to eventually face tragedy that could traumatize them, things are mis/un diagnosed, or not so surface level, and I'm sure a vast majority of these shooters know someone in their lives who thinks they wouldn't hurt anyone. it needs to be broad and sweeping because there shouldn't be loop holes based on verbiage.
I'm hesitant to support sweeping legislation barring those with Axis I disorders because I know several people (yourself included) who wouldn't hurt anyone. That being said, you'd probably also agree that when not following their medication/treatment protocol, people with such disorders...can get wily in one way or another, and unfortunately that often ends in hospitalization even when violence isn't involved. I think it's important that we don't further stigmatize people for having an illness, but we also need to take precautions to try and make sure weapons aren't easily accessible to people who might not have the firmest grip on reality (or are at least prone to slipping into such a state). I'm not sure how possible it would be to create legislation nuanced enough to balance both sides of this. Since such legislation would directly affect you, is that sort of legislation something you would support?
i don't agree with this (bolded part) really. everyone's got breaking points, everyone's going to eventually face tragedy that could traumatize them, things are mis/un diagnosed, or not so surface level, and I'm sure a vast majority of these shooters know someone in their lives who thinks they wouldn't hurt anyone. it needs to be broad and sweeping because there shouldn't be loop holes based on verbiage.
Agreed, which is why ultimately it's something I support, if hesitantly.