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You think the Nick Fuentes' of the world want to support Israel any more than a leftist does (albeit for opposite reasons), or like that JD Vance's wife is Hindu? Hell no, but they still support it enough to move the Overton window towards the far right.
What does that have to do with moving the needle to the left? You’re just talking about the right going harder right than they want to go. Are you saying we gotta go harder left than we want?
Joe sounded like he really wanted to stay in. I think it's mostly a string of numerous gaffes in a row that really highlighted where he was at which led to all this.
But definitely don't think this was a plan. They weren't playing 4d chess. Everything is reactionary
I mean, the debate was an unmitigated disaster. I'm sure the admin was bending over backward to help mask Biden's decline, but the debate put it front and center on national television for everyone to see, and it was TURRIBLE. There was no sugar-coating it or dancing around it - it was obvious to anyone with eyes and ears.
And then the media latched onto it and it didn't blow over like these things tend to do thanks to America's short attention span, and it became obvious this was going to become the central talking point of the rest of the campaign no matter what anybody tried to do to spin out of it. Even Trump almost getting shot in the head didn't kill it.
There is something to be said about Republicans having absolutely no plan for Kamala.
Which I do not get when the top candidate was 81 years old. Regardless of him stepping down, there's a non-zero chance he is going to die at any given moment. I am not saying put a ton of time or your best people on it, but you would think they'd at least have something sketched out. Same goes for Vance with Trump being 78.
There was a period of time they were going after Newsom pretty hard, which made me wonder if they thought that's who they'd put up. But yeah it's weird they seem so blind-sided by Kamala, which was really the most obvious choice.
IVF will exist in 2025. Please don't lose sleep over that
You literally live in a state that is actively trying to get rid of abortion pills and birth control, and which has banned abortions already. When you make these thing inaccessible to women, one of the side effects is the loss of other women's health care. IVF is on the chopping board, open you eyes.
EDIT: Go read Project 2025 and come back with that shit.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
You literally live in a state that is actively trying to get rid of abortion pills and birth control, and which has banned abortions already. When you make these thing inaccessible to women, one of the side effects is the loss of other women's health care. IVF is on the chopping board, open you eyes.
EDIT: Go read Project 2025 and come back with that shit.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Must be nice to have so much privilege to think this. Then again you are an RFK Jr supporter so I'm not surprised.
You literally live in a state that is actively trying to get rid of abortion pills and birth control, and which has banned abortions already. When you make these thing inaccessible to women, one of the side effects is the loss of other women's health care. IVF is on the chopping board, open you eyes.
EDIT: Go read Project 2025 and come back with that shit.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jul 22, 2024 12:06:14 GMT -5
A document written by Trumps top aides who will be running the day to day of his administration outlining how they will govern is not boogeyman stuff. Just deliberately obtuse to say otherwise but what else is new with jakicker
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jul 22, 2024 12:09:44 GMT -5
Trump obviously wants to play the plausible deniability card here hoping at least some people fall for “these people who will be the top 50 most powerful people in my administration don’t represent my views”, and looks like he’s got at least one!
You think the Nick Fuentes' of the world want to support Israel any more than a leftist does (albeit for opposite reasons), or like that JD Vance's wife is Hindu? Hell no, but they still support it enough to move the Overton window towards the far right.
What does that have to do with moving the needle to the left? You’re just talking about the right going harder right than they want to go. Are you saying we gotta go harder left than we want?
No, the hard right people inch us further right until we are all viewed as "hard left" and people like you play along.
Look where the right went from in the matter of a few months Abortion ban at 15 weeks to Abortion ban at 6 weeks to Fetal heartbeat to No exceptions for incest, rape or life of mother to National Abortion ban to Embryo bill that effectively ends IVF (please look up how IVF is done before you reply)
Yes, the leftists, democrats, and centrists need to regain control of the Overton Window. I don't think supporting IVF is "going hard left", but I guess it is if you frame it in a GOP point of view.
Which is exactly what the Overton Window does, it makes simple people like you view IVF as "hard left".
I mean Biden is called a communist by the GOP. LMAO
AIPAC is another example of hard right people pulling centrists and democrats rightward.
Which I do not get when the top candidate was 81 years old. Regardless of him stepping down, there's a non-zero chance he is going to die at any given moment. I am not saying put a ton of time or your best people on it, but you would think they'd at least have something sketched out. Same goes for Vance with Trump being 78.
There was a period of time they were going after Newsom pretty hard, which made me wonder if they thought that's who they'd put up. But yeah it's weird they seem so blind-sided by Kamala, which was really the most obvious choice.
I always wrote the Newsom hate as an extension of casting California as a liberal wasteland. People are moving here from all over due to a relatively low price point on housing, but everyone who wants to complain about it always cites it as Californians bringing their wacky liberal ideas like everyone in California is super left leaning. Newsom gives them a face to put to the idea.
You literally live in a state that is actively trying to get rid of abortion pills and birth control, and which has banned abortions already. When you make these thing inaccessible to women, one of the side effects is the loss of other women's health care. IVF is on the chopping board, open you eyes.
EDIT: Go read Project 2025 and come back with that shit.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Few Republican elected officials have come out publicly in favor of an IVF ban because they realize that the procedure is, overall, very popular. But anti-abortion and evangelical groups are 100% going after it, and are working tirelessly to convince Republican elected officials that the bold stance is to come out against it. And, as is often in their playbook, they're not starting with an outright ban. The most popular position on that side of things right now is talking about increased regulation of the process - restricting the number of embryos that can be created and/or transferred, and banning genetic screening of created embryos, which could conceivably dramatically impact the success rate of the process and/or force women to transfer and carry chromosomally defective embryos, which could complicate pregnancy and birth, lead to more miscarriages, and increase infant mortality among children conceived through IVF.
If you think those things are no big deal, you haven't been through IVF before. My wife and I had to go through near a dozen fertilized embryos before we ended up with one that a) passed genetic screening and b) implanted when transferred. It took four transfers. IVF is a fraught process to begin with, and the more complicated you make it and the more you restrict it, the more you implement regulations that reduce its success rate, the worse it's going to get.
It's a pretty standard playbook - salami slice away at the thing until it sucks/is too hard/is inaccessible, then go for the kill. Downplaying that ignores the lessons of very recent history.
In conclusion, as someone for whom this topic is incredibly personal, kindly go fuck yourself.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
Project 2025 is the Overton Window in action. Of course not 100% will happen, especially on day 1, but that's not really the goal. It's to get people like you to accept far right ideas and condition yourself like a frog in a pot of water slowly reaching boiling point.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
its easy to not care and say we’re overreacting when you arent trans and don’t have a uterus
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Few Republican elected officials have come out publicly in favor of an IVF ban because they realize that the procedure is, overall, very popular. But anti-abortion and evangelical groups are 100% going after it, and are working tirelessly to convince Republican elected officials that the bold stance is to come out against it. And, as is often in their playbook, they're not starting with an outright ban. The most popular position on that side of things right now is talking about increased regulation of the process - restricting the number of embryos that can be created and/or transferred, and banning genetic screening of created embryos, which could conceivably dramatically impact the success rate of the process and/or force women to transfer and carry chromosomally defective embryos, which could complicate pregnancy and birth, lead to more miscarriages, and increase infant mortality among children conceived through IVF.
If you think those things are no big deal, you haven't been through IVF before. My wife and I had to go through near a dozen fertilized embryos before we ended up with one that a) passed genetic screening and b) implanted when transferred. It took three transfers. IVF is a fraught process to begin with, and the more complicated you make it and the more you restrict it, the more you implement regulations that reduce its success rate, the worse it's going to get.
It's a pretty standard playbook - salami slice away at the thing until it sucks/is too hard/is inaccessible, then go for the kill. Downplaying that ignores the lessons of very recent history.
In conclusion, as someone for whom this topic is incredibly personal, kindly go fuck yourself.
Man that's tough, glad it finally took. Thats what I fear, we'll be 1 or 2 transfers in, and then poof.
If there is one thing I've learned during IVF, it's that people that haven't has to deal with infertility cannot understand the stress and pain it causes regardless of how supportive or liberal they are. It's like never knowing someone that has had cancer, and trying to understand how hard chemotherapy is. You just can't until you or your partner experiences it. That's not a slam on anyone that has ever sympathized with someone with infertility or cancer, it's just a testament to how hard of situation it is to truly know until you experience it.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Few Republican elected officials have come out publicly in favor of an IVF ban because they realize that the procedure is, overall, very popular. But anti-abortion and evangelical groups are 100% going after it, and are working tirelessly to convince Republican elected officials that the bold stance is to come out against it. And, as is often in their playbook, they're not starting with an outright ban. The most popular position on that side of things right now is talking about increased regulation of the process - restricting the number of embryos that can be created and/or transferred, and banning genetic screening of created embryos, which could conceivably dramatically impact the success rate of the process and/or force women to transfer and carry chromosomally defective embryos, which could complicate pregnancy and birth, lead to more miscarriages, and increase infant mortality among children conceived through IVF.
If you think those things are no big deal, you haven't been through IVF before. My wife and I had to go through near a dozen fertilized embryos before we ended up with one that a) passed genetic screening and b) implanted when transferred. It took five transfers. IVF is a fraught process to begin with, and the more complicated you make it and the more you restrict it, the more you implement regulations that reduce its success rate, the worse it's going to get.
It's a pretty standard playbook - salami slice away at the thing until it sucks/is too hard/is inaccessible, then go for the kill. Downplaying that ignores the lessons of very recent history.
In conclusion, as someone for whom this topic is incredibly personal, kindly go fuck yourself.
In response to you telling me to fuck myself, my response is
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
Project 2025 is the Overton Window in action. Of course not 100% will happen, especially on day 1, but that's not really the goal. It's to get people like you to accept far right ideas and condition yourself like a frog in a pot of water slowly reaching boiling point.
But y'all act like a Republican president wouldn't do some of those things anyway
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
You literally live in a state that is actively trying to get rid of abortion pills and birth control, and which has banned abortions already. When you make these thing inaccessible to women, one of the side effects is the loss of other women's health care. IVF is on the chopping board, open you eyes.
EDIT: Go read Project 2025 and come back with that shit.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
Post by bugs bunny funny moments on Jul 22, 2024 13:10:13 GMT -5
Project 2025 isn't a "boogeyman". It's the logical end goal of the modern Republican Party. I don't like to consider myself a doomsday guy by any means but I've always hated this "pssshhh you guys think the Republicans will actually do anything bad?" argument. I do! I think there are some total freaks in that party who will dedicate their careers to pushing through social policy that will set the country back 50 years. Privatization of very necessary government duties (school, weather, etc), slashing welfare benefits that keep millions of Americans alive and housed, significant rollbacks on bodily autonomy, etc.
It's ok to both be a moderate and realize that there are some serious concerns to be had with the Republican Party. You get no brownie points for acting like policy goals don't matter.
You’re feeding off each others’ stress and fears, stoking and stoking and stoking. I’m the only person on the board willing to tell you that you’re overreacting and causing harm to yourselves.
Project 2025 is just a boogeyman talking point. Yall act like it’s absolutely to the letter happening on January 20, 2025.
Claiming that republicans are going after IVF is another boogeyman scare tactic.
Takes 30 fucking seconds. YOU ARE WRONG
So we believe the speech he gave in 2022 (before Project 2025 was even written) at a Heritage Foundation event where he praises the Heritage Foundation (surely not for political gain or donations or because they paid him to speak) while also mispronouncing their name repeatedly, but we shouldn't believe him when he is at his own rally in 2024 distancing himself from the fully written document?