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Fetterman openly supporting Dr. Oz is a sign that everyone that wants to stay in power is falling in line, a lot of Tricia Cothams in our future
The Senate confirmation votes are going to tell us a lot(if they happen at all which would tell us even more if they don’t), I figured Trump had the Republicans all in line to get even the Matt Gaetzs confirmed but it’s staring to feel like there are going to be a number of Democrats that are going to vote yes on some if not most of the appointments.
I can't speak to anything else going on in your personal life because I don't actually know you, but I can assure you that you aren't going to be round up and murdered by a bunch of Trump soldiers. I'm not saying this to be a dick, truly. I'm not a therapist and I do not know how else to tell you that this specific fear is not worth your time and energy to focus on.
I'm some low level activist and shit talker in Providence. Former Occupy Wall St, former DSA, former Bernie canvasser. I'm probably on the shit list, but admittedly not as high a priority as some other people I know. (I'd be more worried if I was Saass.)
This isn't helping my depression and anxiety though.
Actually, I do remember now you stating before that you were active in Occupy and pretty vocal politically. That does make me understand more now why you are more personally concerned over the average person. But you probably are pretty low hanging fruit from a retribution perspective, especially where you live. I'm sorry to hear about your depression and anxiety
Again, this is just my opinion. But I think people are falling in line more so to maintain their power and money, and less so because they're afraid of retribution.
My default is to assume almost everyone acts in their own best interests. And as the country shifts more to the right, that's where the power and money now lies.
Fetterman openly supporting Dr. Oz is a sign that everyone that wants to stay in power is falling in line, a lot of Tricia Cothams in our future
The Senate confirmation votes are going to tell us a lot(if they happen at all which would tell us even more if they don’t), I figured Trump had the Republicans all in line to get even the Matt Gaetzs confirmed but it’s staring to feel like there are going to be a number of Democrats that are going to vote yes on some if not most of the appointments.
My guess is they remove the filibuster if they have any issues with 60 votes. Mcconnell, Manchin and Sinema were always very outspoken about keeping it and criticizing Dems that wanted to ditch it when they had more power. So no chance it survives this year. Most people don't even know you need 60 votes in the Senate, I found that out when everyone thought protecting IVF passed when it got 53-54 votes
That kind of stuff, the morning Joe meeting, the Bezos statement, Liz Cheney lawyers telling her to leave the country, etc, etc, etc what it says to me is authoritarianism isn’t coming it’s already here and Trump isn’t even in power yet. Even Biden and Harris won’t criticize him
The saving grace is that it takes a lot of personnel infrastructure to pull off that level of authoritarianism. There are only so many courts in which to try his enemies. There's not even enough time in the day to issue presidential pardons to everyone who takes matters into their own hands on his behalf.
There is one huge guardrail protecting us. Do you think that Fortune 500 companies based in the U.S. or for whom the U.S. is their primary market are going to stand for anything which might upend their biggest market? General Motors and Ford need to keep selling cars, Pfizer and Bayer need to keep selling pills, etc. Yes, they may want the deregulation that the GOP brings, but they don't want destabilization.
Musk and Thiel-type Silicon Valley cryptobro billionaires won't trump (pun intended) the collective influence of established big ass corporations that want things to remain business as usual.
At least, that's my hope.
This is authoritarian capitalism though, so I don't think the F500 companies will ultimately care. If it was the authoritarian left taking root, they'd be more anti-authoritarian than we are.
The Senate confirmation votes are going to tell us a lot(if they happen at all which would tell us even more if they don’t), I figured Trump had the Republicans all in line to get even the Matt Gaetzs confirmed but it’s staring to feel like there are going to be a number of Democrats that are going to vote yes on some if not most of the appointments.
My guess is they remove the filibuster if they have any issues with 60 votes. Mcconnell, Manchin and Sinema were always very outspoken about keeping it and criticizing Dems that wanted to ditch it when they had more power. So no chance it survives this year. Most people don't even know you need 60 votes in the Senate, I found that out when everyone thought protecting IVF passed when it got 53-54 votes
Confirmations don’t need 60 and I don’t think there is anything they actually care about enough to end the filibuster yet that Trump won’t just do executively. If they’re planning on letting elections happen again ending the filibuster and passing a national abortion ban won’t go great for them and if they aren’t the legislature doesn’t matter anyways.
Post by jorgeandthekraken on Nov 20, 2024 13:26:20 GMT -5
I think the rightward shift from some traditionally not-right or neutral business interests might have less to do with placating Trump than it does with the overarching rightward shift we're seeing in the population, or at least the narrative that that's what we're seeing. I dunno. I worked for an NBC cable network in 2016, and I remember a lot of talk after that election result that "we can't just make TV for the blue states," and content decision being made toward that end. And that was when MAGA supporters were still decidedly a minority. Now, these companies have every incentive to not put up resistance to Trump because all the numbers are telling them that's not what the people want.
I'm sure there are plenty of craven folks at all levels of corporate America, but ultimately, they want money. If the most money was to be made by leaning to the left, they'd do it, but everything we're seeing is telling them that the country - especially the 18-34s, the most important demographic - is skewing conservative and supporting Trump. So, they're going where the money is and avoiding where it isn't.
As I've said multiple times, here, the problem is the masses - voters, consumers, whatever. The outcome of businesses kowtowing to Trump is just the symptom.
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I think the rightward shift from some traditionally not-right or neutral business interests might have less to do with placating Trump than it does with the overarching rightward shift we're seeing in the population, or at least the narrative that that's what we're seeing. I dunno. I worked for an NBC cable network in 2016, and I remember a lot of talk after that election result that "we can't just make TV for the blue states," and content decision being made toward that end. And that was when MAGA supporters were still decidedly a minority. Now, these companies have every incentive to not put up resistance to Trump because all the numbers are telling them that's not what the people want.
I'm sure there are plenty of craven folks at all levels of corporate America, but ultimately, they want money. If the most money was to be made by leaning to the left, they'd do it, but everything we're seeing is telling them that the country - especially the 18-34s, the most important demographic - is skewing conservative and supporting Trump. So, they're going where the money is and avoiding where it isn't.
As I've said multiple times, here, the problem is the masses - voters, consumers, whatever. The outcome of businesses kowtowing to Trump is just the symptom.
It is just that though, is it not? A narrative? Trump had less voters vote for him as well. Yes, the proportion shift is huge because dems seemed to have stayed home, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've shifted more right. If Biden never announced re-election, the dems went through a primary, and we got a legit candidate, I'd be hard pressed to think the results would not have been way closer to 2020, in which case the implication from the data would be that no, there hasn't really been much of a shift right. Maybe this is just copium from my end though. How can this country be so goddammed stupid.
I think the rightward shift from some traditionally not-right or neutral business interests might have less to do with placating Trump than it does with the overarching rightward shift we're seeing in the population, or at least the narrative that that's what we're seeing. I dunno. I worked for an NBC cable network in 2016, and I remember a lot of talk after that election result that "we can't just make TV for the blue states," and content decision being made toward that end. And that was when MAGA supporters were still decidedly a minority. Now, these companies have every incentive to not put up resistance to Trump because all the numbers are telling them that's not what the people want.
I'm sure there are plenty of craven folks at all levels of corporate America, but ultimately, they want money. If the most money was to be made by leaning to the left, they'd do it, but everything we're seeing is telling them that the country - especially the 18-34s, the most important demographic - is skewing conservative and supporting Trump. So, they're going where the money is and avoiding where it isn't.
As I've said multiple times, here, the problem is the masses - voters, consumers, whatever. The outcome of businesses kowtowing to Trump is just the symptom.
It is just that though, is it not? A narrative? Trump had less voters vote for him as well. Yes, the proportion shift is huge because dems seemed to have stayed home, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've shifted more right. If Biden never announced re-election, the dems went through a primary, and we got a legit candidate, I'd be hard pressed to think the results would not have been way closer to 2020, in which case the implication from the data would be that no, there hasn't really been much of a shift right. Maybe this is just copium from my end though. How can this country be so goddammed stupid.
According to the numbers i'm looking at, Trump got approximately 2.6 million more votes this year than in 2020. And yeah, the big difference was the approx. 7 million fewer votes for Harris than Biden...but no matter how you slice it, Trump performed better this time than last time. And, again, whether it's just a narrative or not, the narrative of a rightward shift, especially among Latinos and young men, is one of the dominant stories coming out of the election.
It's dumb and makes no sense and I hate it, but we live in a country in which the majority of people are either cool with Trump/fascism (or, as someone else said up-thread, really want a king) or don't give a shit enough to do the bare minimum to stop it. That's who America is. If I'm trying to sell products to America, that's the message I'm getting and that's how I'm going to shape my biz strategy if my big interest is making money, as it is for all these capitalist fucks.
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Instead of using the women's restroom Sara McBride should just take a shit on Nancy Mace's desk.
I get the sentiment, but I would think Sarah McBride is a better person than that
Absolutely. She said she would follow Johnson's rules even if she disagrees which is smart because it disarms the transphobes' outrage but the whole situation still sucks. Transphobes can get fucked
It is just that though, is it not? A narrative? Trump had less voters vote for him as well. Yes, the proportion shift is huge because dems seemed to have stayed home, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've shifted more right. If Biden never announced re-election, the dems went through a primary, and we got a legit candidate, I'd be hard pressed to think the results would not have been way closer to 2020, in which case the implication from the data would be that no, there hasn't really been much of a shift right. Maybe this is just copium from my end though. How can this country be so goddammed stupid.
According to the numbers i'm looking at, Trump got approximately 2.6 million more votes this year than in 2020. And yeah, the big difference was the approx. 7 million fewer votes for Harris than Biden...but no matter how you slice it, Trump performed better this time than last time. And, again, whether it's just a narrative or not, the narrative of a rightward shift, especially among Latinos and young men, is one of the dominant stories coming out of the election.
It's dumb and makes no sense and I hate it, but we live in a country in which the majority of people are either cool with Trump/fascism (or, as someone else said up-thread, really want a king) or don't give a shit enough to do the bare minimum to stop it. That's who America is. If I'm trying to sell products to America, that's the message I'm getting and that's how I'm going to shape my biz strategy if my big interest is making money, as it is for all these capitalist fucks.
I think a lot of it is these rising male youtube/tiktok stars stressing the importance of masculinity in men, which is leading a lot of easy to influence young people to think it is important that America project strength and masculinity through their leadership, which to them is what Trump is. An alpha male.
It was shown that well-informed tuned-in voters went overwhelmingly for Democrats. The reality is that our population, particularly our younger population that has gone through a very broken school system, is not well-informed and lacks a lot of critical thinking skills. If Jake Paul and Joe Rogan say to vote Trump, they will listen without thinking if those meat head clown shows are the best people to get advice from.
According to the numbers i'm looking at, Trump got approximately 2.6 million more votes this year than in 2020. And yeah, the big difference was the approx. 7 million fewer votes for Harris than Biden...but no matter how you slice it, Trump performed better this time than last time. And, again, whether it's just a narrative or not, the narrative of a rightward shift, especially among Latinos and young men, is one of the dominant stories coming out of the election.
It's dumb and makes no sense and I hate it, but we live in a country in which the majority of people are either cool with Trump/fascism (or, as someone else said up-thread, really want a king) or don't give a shit enough to do the bare minimum to stop it. That's who America is. If I'm trying to sell products to America, that's the message I'm getting and that's how I'm going to shape my biz strategy if my big interest is making money, as it is for all these capitalist fucks.
I think a lot of it is these rising male youtube/tiktok stars stressing the importance of masculinity in men, which is leading a lot of easy to influence young people to think it is important that America project strength and masculinity through their leadership, which to them is what Trump is. An alpha male.
It was shown that well-informed tuned-in voters went overwhelmingly for Democrats. The reality is that our population, particularly our younger population that has gone through a very broken school system, is not well-informed and lacks a lot of critical thinking skills. If Jake Paul and Joe Rogan say to vote Trump, they will listen without thinking if those meat head clown shows are the best people to get advice from.
Here's hoping the highly qualified new Secretary of Education fixes that very broken school system in a hurry.
Post by FortSteuben on Nov 20, 2024 15:14:11 GMT -5
I don't know, maybe if the Oscars gets "less woke" and Nick Bosa does the Trump jerking off dance after every sack then these people will feel that they "got their country back" and actually see that the republicans fucking suck at governing. And then maybe I won't have to see clips on TV and the internet of old white union members saying they are proudly voting for the guy who yucks it up with the worlds richest man and laughs with him about firing striking workers.
It is just that though, is it not? A narrative? Trump had less voters vote for him as well. Yes, the proportion shift is huge because dems seemed to have stayed home, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've shifted more right. If Biden never announced re-election, the dems went through a primary, and we got a legit candidate, I'd be hard pressed to think the results would not have been way closer to 2020, in which case the implication from the data would be that no, there hasn't really been much of a shift right. Maybe this is just copium from my end though. How can this country be so goddammed stupid.
According to the numbers i'm looking at, Trump got approximately 2.6 million more votes this year than in 2020. And yeah, the big difference was the approx. 7 million fewer votes for Harris than Biden...but no matter how you slice it, Trump performed better this time than last time. And, again, whether it's just a narrative or not, the narrative of a rightward shift, especially among Latinos and young men, is one of the dominant stories coming out of the election.
It's dumb and makes no sense and I hate it, but we live in a country in which the majority of people are either cool with Trump/fascism (or, as someone else said up-thread, really want a king) or don't give a shit enough to do the bare minimum to stop it. That's who America is. If I'm trying to sell products to America, that's the message I'm getting and that's how I'm going to shape my biz strategy if my big interest is making money, as it is for all these capitalist fucks.
I guarantee if the dem candidate was a man, we wouldn't have seen as big of a shift in those minority demos. somewhat spicy take? but realistic
It is just that though, is it not? A narrative? Trump had less voters vote for him as well. Yes, the proportion shift is huge because dems seemed to have stayed home, but that doesn't necessarily mean they've shifted more right. If Biden never announced re-election, the dems went through a primary, and we got a legit candidate, I'd be hard pressed to think the results would not have been way closer to 2020, in which case the implication from the data would be that no, there hasn't really been much of a shift right. Maybe this is just copium from my end though. How can this country be so goddammed stupid.
According to the numbers i'm looking at, Trump got approximately 2.6 million more votes this year than in 2020. And yeah, the big difference was the approx. 7 million fewer votes for Harris than Biden...but no matter how you slice it, Trump performed better this time than last time. And, again, whether it's just a narrative or not, the narrative of a rightward shift, especially among Latinos and young men, is one of the dominant stories coming out of the election.
It's dumb and makes no sense and I hate it, but we live in a country in which the majority of people are either cool with Trump/fascism (or, as someone else said up-thread, really want a king) or don't give a shit enough to do the bare minimum to stop it. That's who America is. If I'm trying to sell products to America, that's the message I'm getting and that's how I'm going to shape my biz strategy if my big interest is making money, as it is for all these capitalist fucks.
My personal take is that a lot of this boils down to anti-establishment, anti-politician fervor. Harris, like Clinton before her (and like Romney before them) is a quintessentially establishment politician, a brand exacerbated by Harris having gotten the nomination without a primary, and then doubling down on the establishment by cozying up to establishment republicans. And she always felt incredibly calculated and focus-tested (note: I think there's a deeply ingrained misogyny here in how women have to behave in America to get ahead vs how men are allowed to behave, but I digress). Whatever you say about Trump, he does not come across like a politician, and he has built his entire brand on taking down the "deep state" establishment.
I'm not sure I buy that the country actually shifted right in what it wants, policy or outcome-wise. There's just a lot of people who hate politics, hate politicians, and hate phonies, because they feel the system is rigged and has let them down.
These people do not pay serious attention to policy. They will not vote in the midterms and Dems will do very well then. And if Trump doesn't run in 2028, Dems can certainly win then too. But if they could figure out tapping into that anti-establishment, anti-politician fervor, they could create a legitimate movement.
Which has never been the case before. Sure, Dixie Chicks got the shaft but that was from their own audience. Now liberal Hollywood, who has had free rein to express their views politically, have to toe the line or have their career ruined. It’s a different time.
Right wing people in Hollywood were silenced for years now. It's hypocritical or maybe just delusional to not think that. What we are seeing now is that people aren't afraid anymore to openly support Trump. We aren't used to seeing it.
I think the rightward shift from some traditionally not-right or neutral business interests might have less to do with placating Trump than it does with the overarching rightward shift we're seeing in the population, or at least the narrative that that's what we're seeing. I dunno. I worked for an NBC cable network in 2016, and I remember a lot of talk after that election result that "we can't just make TV for the blue states," and content decision being made toward that end. And that was when MAGA supporters were still decidedly a minority. Now, these companies have every incentive to not put up resistance to Trump because all the numbers are telling them that's not what the people want.
I'm sure there are plenty of craven folks at all levels of corporate America, but ultimately, they want money. If the most money was to be made by leaning to the left, they'd do it, but everything we're seeing is telling them that the country - especially the 18-34s, the most important demographic - is skewing conservative and supporting Trump. So, they're going where the money is and avoiding where it isn't.
As I've said multiple times, here, the problem is the masses - voters, consumers, whatever. The outcome of businesses kowtowing to Trump is just the symptom.
Really? Comcast/NBC Universal owns Bravo, USA Network, and SyFy. Each offers very different programming designed to appeal to different audiences. I'd expect the similar differences between cable news networks to continue, as each stakes out its own audience.
A sliver over 50% of those who cast votes voted for Trump. Harris got 47% and change. As exit polling indicated, a whole lot of Trump voters weren't MAGA true believers. Many low information voters figured "Hey, maybe a different guy will be better on inflation."
Similarly, most people who voted for Harris aren't in line with the far left. They're more liberal/centrist. They want reproductive freedom, lower taxes on middle class/higher on wealthy, a strong social safety net, and the rest of the usual Dem party positions.
Trump and the GOP were just better at playing the misinformation card with low information voters, including many in the center.
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