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Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 25, 2019 22:34:30 GMT -5
They are so fake and are angry that they aren't able to control things like they usually do. Guttfield and watters are both pieces of shit who sold their soul. Not sure much about the two women they never let talk
Elizabeth Warren does not support Medicare for All. She supports piggybacking off the very real Medicare for All bill to win the primary, but she doesn't support its contents. thats why she refers to it as a framework instead of what it actually is
“I was not a direct witness to most of the events described.”
That is all Trump needs to create doubt.
I would agree to an extent, but the local talk news around here (which definitely skews conservative) has been talking all morning about how damning the whistleblower complaint is. Every guest they've brought on has agreed that everything is pointing directly at a cover-up and potential quid pro quo.
"#PresidentPelosi sure does have a nice ring to it!"
It's way better than Trump or pence, for sure. But even if that were to happen (I don't think GOP would ever allow it) then she'd better not run as incumbent in 2020.
But that's something to worry about later. I'm not expecting her to rise to president
Does anyone get the sense that, of all the things to impeach Trump for, this is a particularly bad one?
Every Trump fanboy I know is convinced this is all a genius ploy by the Trump administration to make the Dems look bad heading into 2020. So, it’s hard to tell.
Does anyone get the sense that, of all the things to impeach Trump for, this is a particularly bad one?
I think just focusing on this could be a mistake but it's certainly impeachable. Not that his base will care. Although I've seen some good arguments on why spreading out the charges has some advantages for the GOP.
BUT this is yet another reason nominating Biden would be a mistake. People can blow it off all they want but this is "but her emails" 2.0. Who the fuck wants to spend 2020 explaining how it's, in fact, not suspicious that Biden's wholly unqualified son was getting paid $50,000 a month while working in a notoriously corrupt country? It doesn't matter if it was all above the board. It will hurt the Dems to have to fight this "both sides" bullshit that will come from the GOP and the media.
That's on top of everything else about Biden. Some pundits think this will sink him and I hope that's true but who knows.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 26, 2019 16:35:34 GMT -5
I don't know about that. I think impeaching him on emoluments stuff, for example having the military stay at his hotels, actually would have resonated somewhat, at least better than this.
I don't know about that. I think impeaching him on emoluments stuff, for example having the military stay at his hotels, actually would have resonated somewhat, at least better than this.
Does anyone get the sense that, of all the things to impeach Trump for, this is a particularly bad one?
I think just focusing on this could be a mistake but it's certainly impeachable. Not that his base will care. Although I've seen some good arguments on why spreading out the charges has some advantages for the GOP.
BUT this is yet another reason nominating Biden would be a mistake. People can blow it off all they want but this is "but her emails" 2.0. Who the fuck wants to spend 2020 explaining how it's, in fact, not suspicious that Biden's wholly unqualified son was getting paid $50,000 a month while working in a notoriously corrupt country? It doesn't matter if it was all above the board. It will hurt the Dems to have to fight this "both sides" bullshit that will come from the GOP and the media.
That's on top of everything else about Biden. Some pundits think this will sink him and I hope that's true but who knows.
I agree with this. It’s obvious that Trump is most scared of Biden, but I think that’s a good thing, and I hope is downward momentum in the polls continues.
I don't know about that. I think impeaching him on emoluments stuff, for example having the military stay at his hotels, actually would have resonated somewhat, at least better than this.
Yeah, I just don’t think “emoluments” resonates with people any more than this does. I tend to agree with folks that when they impeach him they should throw the book at him, but I don’t think that means Ukraine isn’t important.
I think "president uses office and military to enrich himself" is a stronger message than "we draw the line at trying to get dirt on our guy". So, yeah, I think this is totally E-Mails 2.0, like SFA said.
When people say "the Dems will find a way to fuck it up", this to me is them fucking it up.
I think "president uses office and military to enrich himself" is a stronger message than "we draw the line at trying to get dirt on our guy". So, yeah, I think this is totally E-Mails 2.0, like SFA said.
When people say "the Dems will find a way to fuck it up", this to me is them fucking it up.
If Trump was withholding Dept of Ed funding unless DeVos investigated Bernie’s wife would you feel different?
Idk, but I'm not really approaching this from a standpoint of not liking Biden or Pelosi. I'm just saying I think it's an odd and I think likely unpopular hill to die on, particularly if it's likely not going to lead to his removal from office, but rather just be symbolic.
Bernie isn't the Dems' guy, so that would probably never happen. It's like asking if I would be happy if they impeached him for pulling out of Paris, or concentration camps, or trying to go to war with Iran, all of which are unpopular with the public but not so much with the Democratic side of the ruling class. It's just not going to happen in the United States, where our politics are so deeply unserious.
If it were as simple as me being a Berner, I might not have voted for Hillary and the Dems in 2016 and in 2018 if that were the case, given the way they fucked him over in the '16 primary.
The conspiratorial part of me thinks it's on purpose. I think it's so weird after all the shit he's done to pick this as the reason and refuse to branch out into other areas. Just bizarre to me.