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Surprised no one bothered to comment about AOC filing impeachment papers on Alito and Thomas today.
Also buried under all the nonsense news, it appears Clarence Thomas took an undisclosed yacht trip to Russia and a helicopter ride to Putin’s hometown back in 2003. Plus a whole list of additional “perks” like tuition, private flights.
thats crazy cause she was literally a witness when feinstein signed power of attorney to her daughter (while being a sitting politician!)
okay... That happened literally 2 months before Feinstein croaked. That incident has nothing to do with Feinstein running for election in 2018, which was the last time she got re-elected. Feinstein had already announced she was leaving after 2024 at the time of signing over her POA.
Nov 2018 - Re-elected Fall 2020 - First reports of cognitive decline Feb 2023 - Feinstein announces retirement July 2023 - Signs over POA Sept 2023 - dies
Surprised no one bothered to comment about AOC filing impeachment papers on Alito and Thomas today.
Also buried under all the nonsense news, it appears Clarence Thomas took an undisclosed yacht trip to Russia and a helicopter ride to Putin’s hometown back in 2003. Plus a whole list of additional “perks” like tuition, private flights.
Nothing really to discuss. Doesn't really mean anything.
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Post by abefroman1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:12:59 GMT -5
It would not have been good for him to step aside this week because of the NATO summit. Would have been an even bigger mess in the MM had he stepped aside during these crucial meetings.
Next week is the republican convention. Every speech written will mention Biden's age & debate performance.
That's when you step aside and kill their talking points.
Post by abefroman1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:20:53 GMT -5
60% of voters dont want either to run due to their age. Poll after poll proves this. Anecdotally, I've heard this directly out of my mom's mouth that voted almost exclusively republican until 2020
The anti-trump vote will always be there. It grows if the alternative to trump is someone under the age of 60. Most people are very simple, this gives them a simple reason to not vote for trump. Just like Biden's age/debate performance gives them a simple reason to vote for trump (or stay home)
I understand the fears of running a black woman vs white man. But a lot has changed since 2016. Abortion is the winning ticket. Run a (non-Hillary) woman now.
Who the fuck is going to beat Trump if y'all put Biden out the pasture, this late in the game?
I'm sorry but Project 2025 is fucking terrifying, especially as a woman. We about to become handmaid's tale up in this bitch.
Pre-debate I would have agreed but the media is not letting it go and the donors and in-party support have dried up. Biden of 2020 could beat Trump, but not this Biden.
The unique thing about this election is that it's essentially the first time ever two people who have already been president are running for president, which means voters are able to weigh each candidate on what they did in their 4 years. This has never happened before, and Biden's failures are fresher on people's minds and bank statements than Trump's. If Biden crushed it for four years that'd be one thing, but he hasn't, or least most people don't think so.
And then weighing that after seeing that debate performance, seeing the gaslighting from the administration that he is fine when he clearly isn't, and knowing he is just going to get worse and worse over the next 4 years. It just gives too much ammunition to the Republican narrative that the Biden family is just a bunch of self-serving power hungry elites. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, it's the narrative being served and there is enough there for centrists and independents to be like "mmhmmm yep. Makes sense".
And it's not just about Biden himself. Liberals, progressives, centrists, leftists, ANYONE who has supported the Democratic party over Trump feels pissed off and betrayed that they've been lied to by the administration about Biden's condition, and even now with the gaslighting and the defiance to step down. It's the equivalent of "bro, we all saw you, though."
I'm very wary of putting up a candidate that didn't go through the primary process, but I have lost any real faith that Biden can win against this narrative. Trump is so vulnerable with the abortion rulings, project 2025 controversy, and the criminal conviction and pending trials, and most everyone is begging for another option other these fucks. I say give us that other option.
Who the fuck is going to beat Trump if y'all put Biden out the pasture, this late in the game?
I'm sorry but Project 2025 is fucking terrifying, especially as a woman. We about to become handmaid's tale up in this bitch.
Kamala Harris would be the easiest option since she would have access to the Biden -Harris campaign funds. No guarantee she wins, but I'll take the risk because Biden is going to lose
As a woman, I'm terrified. This is going to terrible.
Yes it is very scary. However....
Kamala is in a dead heat with trump in polls when Biden is removed from the poll. Same cannot be said for Biden. She will also get a bump when she really is the nominee and the convention happens.
She'll lose less progressives to her "cop" image than Biden will with his handling of Gaza.
People that won't vote for someone based on gender or race are not the target voters, those people were already going to vote trump.
Give yourself another week to enjoy life and simple pleasures. If Kamala is not the nominee by July 22nd, then panic all you want.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:44 GMT -5
Either it’s a conspiracy or the media + party donors with pull within it all think Biden is going to lose. That’s what that Adam Johnson tweet I posted last week was getting at. They aren’t just “reporting the news,” they have an agenda. And the most likely one is putting someone in place they think has a better chance of beating Trump. That’s what is going on. It’s not some conspiracy of media owners wanting Trump to win.
I have my doubts it’s a better path this late in the game but it’s not going away apparently. And it’s better than just watching it all burn I guess.
Post by abefroman1 on Jul 11, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -5
Let's not forget the same poll that showed trump leading by 5% in Wisconsin also showed Tammy Baldwin UP by the same margin. That's insane considering she is openly gay and won in blue wave midterm. If we were truly doomed she'd be down 5 just like Joe.
It's Joever for Joe and it's Joever for trump if a woman under 70 is the candidate.
Post by braundiggity on Jul 11, 2024 12:46:57 GMT -5
The biggest problem to me with Kamala, putting aside her standalone merits, is the fact that she's tied to a very unpopular administration and would carry all of that baggage. If you're upset about inflation and want change (by FAR the biggest issue), you're not going to feel like you're getting anything different with her. Same with Gaza, same with really any issue. You vote for VP's after a President's served eight years because you like what that President has done and want it to continue. Voters are wildly unaware of Biden's accomplishments and want change right now. The opportunity from nominating someone else is significantly greater.
That said, along the same lines: the fact that she is a black woman should not be any more of a concern re: racist misogynistic voters than it was in 2020. If you wouldn't vote for her for those reasons now, you wouldn't have voted to make her VP four years ago. And yes, the mere fact of her age eliminates a massive amount of baggage from Biden and makes her a better nominee.
I also can't help but wonder where we'd be if Biden had simply never offered debates in the first place. Not to say I want less information as a voter; strictly in terms of where the race would be.
Post by abefroman1 on Jul 11, 2024 13:15:56 GMT -5
I hear you on the "run the VP after a successful 8 years", but that didn't work for Gore (and yes I know Florida shenangins assisted Bush, but he still did worse than Clinton ever did). Also we are not getting 8 years of Biden no matter how you slice it. It's going to be 4 regardless if trump wins or Biden steps aside.
Also time and time again "age" and "mental competancy" is cited as big of reason as inflation. Biden and trump do not check those boxes. But for the simple brained fence sitter, anyone under 70 does.
Yes it's not a guaranteed win if you replace Biden. Whoever the candidate ends up being, yes they will have the big task about talking about how to reduce inflation. Right now, neither trump or Biden can talk about reducing inflation because one isn't interested in it, and the other is *gestures at the debate*
The unique thing about this election is that it's essentially the first time ever two people who have already been president are running for president, which means voters are able to weigh each candidate on what they did in their 4 years. This has never happened before, and Biden's failures are fresher on people's minds and bank statements than Trump's. If Biden crushed it for four years that'd be one thing, but he hasn't, or least most people don't think so.
This is 100% false.
1892: Current president Benjamin Harrison lost to former President Grover Cleveland. This was a rematch of 1888 where Cleveland got bounced by Harrison. Cleveland is the only person to serve non-consecutive terms.
1912: Former president Teddy Roosevelt and incumbent President Howard Taft ran against each other. They essentially split the GOP vote and Woodrow Wilson won with like 41% of the popular vote.
Also, a few former presidents have run AFTER they lost the office in re-election to a non-president.. In every one of these situations, the former president has always lost in their return.
1848: Martin Van Buren lost re-election in 1840 but lost again in the general in 1848 coming in 3rd.
1856: Millard Fillmore lost re-election in 1852 but reran in 1856 and took 3rd in the general.
1880: Former President Ulysses Grant (69-77) ran for a 3rd term but did not secure the GOP nomination.
1936 / 1940: Herbert Hoover lost re-election in 1932. He ran for the GOP nomination in both 1936 and 1940 but failed to receive the nomination.
The unique thing about this election is that it's essentially the first time ever two people who have already been president are running for president, which means voters are able to weigh each candidate on what they did in their 4 years. This has never happened before, and Biden's failures are fresher on people's minds and bank statements than Trump's. If Biden crushed it for four years that'd be one thing, but he hasn't, or least most people don't think so.
This is 100% false.
1892: Current president Benjamin Harrison lost to former President Grover Cleveland. This was a rematch of 1888 where Cleveland got bounced by Harrison. Cleveland is the only person to serve non-consecutive terms.
1912: Former president Teddy Roosevelt and incumbent President Howard Taft ran against each other. They essentially split the GOP vote and Woodrow Wilson won with like 41% of the popular vote.
Also, a few former presidents have run AFTER they lost the office in re-election to a non-president.. In every one of these situations, the former president has always lost in their return.
1848: Martin Van Buren lost re-election in 1840 but lost again in the general in 1848 coming in 3rd.
1856: Millard Fillmore lost re-election in 1852 but reran in 1856 and took 3rd in the general.
1880: Former President Ulysses Grant (69-77) ran for a 3rd term but did not secure the GOP nomination.
1936 / 1940: Herbert Hoover lost re-election in 1932. He ran for the GOP nomination in both 1936 and 1940 but failed to receive the nomination.
1892: Current president Benjamin Harrison lost to former President Grover Cleveland. This was a rematch of 1888 where Cleveland got bounced by Harrison. Cleveland is the only person to serve non-consecutive terms.
1912: Former president Teddy Roosevelt and incumbent President Howard Taft ran against each other. They essentially split the GOP vote and Woodrow Wilson won with like 41% of the popular vote.
Also, a few former presidents have run AFTER they lost the office in re-election to a non-president.. In every one of these situations, the former president has always lost in their return.
1848: Martin Van Buren lost re-election in 1840 but lost again in the general in 1848 coming in 3rd.
1856: Millard Fillmore lost re-election in 1852 but reran in 1856 and took 3rd in the general.
1880: Former President Ulysses Grant (69-77) ran for a 3rd term but did not secure the GOP nomination.
1936 / 1940: Herbert Hoover lost re-election in 1932. He ran for the GOP nomination in both 1936 and 1940 but failed to receive the nomination.