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I have such a tortured relationship with Morrissey. He’s such a raging cunt that I can’t really get past it anymore and as much as I love the music I can’t bring myself to support it.
yeah, morrissey isn't in the same world as some of the people already drafted. he's a dick, but his words at this point carry so little weight, no one takes him seriously. there's really not that much moral dillema there, he's just someones racist uncle, not a criminal abuser.
yeah, morrissey isn't in the same world as some of the people already drafted. he's a dick, but his words at this point carry so little weight, no one takes him seriously. there's really not that much moral dillema there, he's just someones racist uncle, not a criminal abuser.
I think someone who advocates for racial purity and calls Asians a subspecies is just as bad as an abuser. He’s an alt right poster boy now.
yeah, morrissey isn't in the same world as some of the people already drafted. he's a dick, but his words at this point carry so little weight, no one takes him seriously. there's really not that much moral dillema there, he's just someones racist uncle, not a criminal abuser.
I think someone who advocates for racial purity and calls Asians a subspecies is just as bad as an abuser. He’s an alt right poster boy now.
yeah, morrissey isn't in the same world as some of the people already drafted. he's a dick, but his words at this point carry so little weight, no one takes him seriously. there's really not that much moral dillema there, he's just someones racist uncle, not a criminal abuser.
I think someone who advocates for racial purity and calls Asians a subspecies is just as bad as an abuser. He’s an alt right poster boy now.
i think taking a very extreme position on the treament of animals in China is not nearly as bad being an abuser. we've already had rapists and murderers get drafted. he's not even as racist as Johnny Rotten.
TBH I'm surprised at the degree of certainty that people seem to have regarding the allegations against MJ. I think there's been a lot that points in either direction regarding him. I'm not really interested in debating it either way, but just want to note that if I thought MJ molested children, I wouldn't have drafted him. I just don't think he did.
I think someone who advocates for racial purity and calls Asians a subspecies is just as bad as an abuser. He’s an alt right poster boy now.
you think that’s as bad as abusing children?
It’s a different kind of bad, but yes being a racist cunt is egregious. I didn’t say people shouldn’t draft Morrissey, if you noticed, I just said I had a personal conflict with him.
TBH I'm surprised at the degree of certainty that people seem to have regarding the allegations against MJ. I think there's been a lot that points in either direction regarding him. I'm not really interested in debating it either way, but just want to note that if I thought MJ molested children, I wouldn't have drafted him. I just don't think he did.
TBH I'm surprised at the degree of certainty that people seem to have regarding the allegations against MJ. I think there's been a lot that points in either direction regarding him. I'm not really interested in debating it either way, but just want to note that if I thought MJ molested children, I wouldn't have drafted him. I just don't think he did.
well, there was also Brand New getting picked up.
its not just you!
The unspoken rule seems to be if they're dead then it's okay. If they're alive and "problematic" then it's awkward. Or if they're alive but only had sex with underage girls throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80's then it's fine too. As long as they stopped by the 90's.
It’s a different kind of bad, but yes being a racist cunt is egregious. I didn’t say people shouldn’t draft Morrissey, if you noticed, I just said I had a personal conflict with him.
Interesting, I'd say raping and taking advantage of children is much worse than saying stupid/racist shit, but to each their own.
It’s a different kind of bad, but yes being a racist cunt is egregious. I didn’t say people shouldn’t draft Morrissey, if you noticed, I just said I had a personal conflict with him.
Interesting, I'd say raping and taking advantage of children is much worse than saying stupid/racist shit, but to each their own.
I think defending racists who want racial purity by saying “well, at least they aren’t a rapist!” Is something I can’t support
I'm honestly not a fan of the whole cancel culture and genuinely believe people can better themselves but with figures like Morrissey it only seems to be getting worse and worse.
Post by piggy pablo on Aug 27, 2019 14:37:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't go to a Morrissey show but I'm not gonna not vote for somebody because they have him or the Smiths on their lineup. Same for MJ. I'm willing to separate the art from the artist in this instance. Idk if it really makes sense, but I just feel like it's a rabbithole we don't need to go down. Everyone's lineup is probably tainted by something, and even those whose might not be don't deserve to win the competition simply because of a display of moral convictions or something like that.
I wouldn't go to a Morrissey show but I'm not gonna not vote for somebody because they have him or the Smiths on their lineup. Same for MJ. I'm willing to separate the art from the artist in this instance. Idk if it really makes sense, but I just feel like it's a rabbithole we don't need to go down. Everyone's lineup is probably tainted by something, and even those whose might not be don't deserve to win the competition simply because of their moral convictions.
Yeah, it's not like it will affect how I vote, but personally I decided this year to stop supporting his music, that's all.
I think defending racists who want racial purity by saying “well, at least they aren’t a rapist!” Is something I can’t support
I haven't defended Morrissey at all. It's pretty simple to recognize two things as bad and still think one is worse.
Racism has caused wars, genocide, lynching, systemic injustice, I could go on. Racism abuses people, all over the world. I believe KKK members should get equal punishment to rapists, for example.
I haven't defended Morrissey at all. It's pretty simple to recognize two things as bad and still think one is worse.
Racism has caused wars, genocide, lynching, systemic injustice, I could go on. Racism abuses people, all over the world. I believe KKK members should get equal punishment to rapists, for example.
It's an interesting thought. I obviously don't support racism but it's also kinda a weird rabbit hole to go down the idea of punishing people for their beliefs.
It’s a different kind of bad, but yes being a racist cunt is egregious. I didn’t say people shouldn’t draft Morrissey, if you noticed, I just said I had a personal conflict with him.
Interesting, I'd say raping and taking advantage of children is much worse than saying stupid/racist shit, but to each their own.
It’s not like there’s some linear scale of one to child molester where you can rank which horrific thing is worse. Obviously, the rape of a child is hugely damaging to that child and the child’s family. It’s probably harmful in a myriad of ways that I’m not even thinking of. White supremacists advocate for a culture that systematically oppresses other races. It’s still harmful and abusive, just a different kind of abuse on a different scale entirely.
I think it’s like there’s a point you cross where you kind of fall into an abyss that’s just full of human garbage. White supremacists and child molesters are in that abyss together. The fact that there are other things Morrissey could be out there doing to hurt people in a different way doesn’t really make him less of a piece of shit.
I'm honestly not a fan of the whole cancel culture and genuinely believe people can better themselves but with figures like Morrissey it only seems to be getting worse and worse.
Post by piggy pablo on Aug 27, 2019 14:52:54 GMT -5
I don't think Tristan or myself were trying to downplay anything about Morrissey or say he's not a bad guy. I was just making the point that the cat's out of the bag as far as people being too problematic to be drafted. I think we all basically agree on both of these broader points.
Ngl though if someone drafts R. Kelly or Chris Brown I'll judge at least a little bit. There's admittedly absolutely no logical consistency to that in light of some of the other aforementioned acts but...yeah no just don't.