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Remind me never to share my personal feelings on any musician ever again, apparently people don't know the difference between how someone personally feels and how they believe everyone else should feel.
Remind me never to share my personal feelings on any musician ever again, apparently people don't know the difference between how someone personally feels and how they believe everyone else should feel.
I don't think anyone even feels differently than you do about Morrissey, though. Maybe Maddog. He seems to think Morrissey is dope and all.
So wait, let me get this straight… in this game, we’ve already seen at least one child molester, multiple rapists and women beaters, a guy who set up cameras in women’s bathrooms, a guy who legally adopted an underage girl so he could bring her on tour to have sex with her, musicians with 14-year old groupies… but Morrissey is cancelled because he says dumb shit about Margaret Thatcher being a Nazi or whatever.
didn’t we comment on most of those being cancelled too?
Remind me never to share my personal feelings on any musician ever again, apparently people don't know the difference between how someone personally feels and how they believe everyone else should feel.
The whole "cancel culture" is literally about dictating how other people should feel.
Remind me never to share my personal feelings on any musician ever again, apparently people don't know the difference between how someone personally feels and how they believe everyone else should feel.
The whole "cancel culture" is literally about dictating how other people should feel.
I never said he should be canceled, I don't know how many times I have to say I personally don't listen to him anymore, but I don't care if other people do. I don't have a problem with taking issue with what I said, but don't put words into my mouth.
Remind me never to share my personal feelings on any musician ever again, apparently people don't know the difference between how someone personally feels and how they believe everyone else should feel.
I don't think anyone even feels differently than you do about Morrissey, though. Maybe Maddog. He seems to think Morrissey is dope and all.
In what way? I've never been around a group of people who all thought MJ was a child molester before, whereas here it's taken as a given. Usually there's a debate about it or whatnot, but I seem to be the only one who thinks he wasn't one. It's not even like I'm a huge MJ fan or my feelings about his music blind me to the potential of it being true or anything like that; I guess I just never picked up on the change in public opinion towards him until now.
In what way? I've never been around a group of people who all thought MJ was a child molester before, whereas here it's taken as a given. Usually there's a debate about it or whatnot, but I seem to be the only one who thinks he wasn't one. It's not even like I'm a huge MJ fan or my feelings about his music blind me to the potential of it being true or anything like that; I guess I just never picked up on the change in public opinion towards him until now.
A documentary came out this year that solidified a lot of people's feelings about it, including myself. As of the last Infinity Draft I was saying stuff like "yeah idk that might have been bullshit", but after Leaving Neverland I definitely came to believe the victims' stories.
In what way? I've never been around a group of people who all thought MJ was a child molester before, whereas here it's taken as a given. Usually there's a debate about it or whatnot, but I seem to be the only one who thinks he wasn't one. It's not even like I'm a huge MJ fan or my feelings about his music blind me to the potential of it being true or anything like that; I guess I just never picked up on the change in public opinion towards him until now.
A documentary came out this year that solidified a lot of people's feelings about it, including myself. As of the last Infinity Draft I was saying stuff like "yeah idk that might have been bullshit", but after Leaving Neverland I definitely came to believe the victims' stories.
Gotcha. I'm familiar with the doc but didn't realize it had such an impact.
In what way? I've never been around a group of people who all thought MJ was a child molester before, whereas here it's taken as a given. Usually there's a debate about it or whatnot, but I seem to be the only one who thinks he wasn't one. It's not even like I'm a huge MJ fan or my feelings about his music blind me to the potential of it being true or anything like that; I guess I just never picked up on the change in public opinion towards him until now.
Pablo beat me to it. I’ve just never been in a room (except when watching chappelle on Netflix apparently) where anyone thinks that he was anything but guilty.
A documentary came out this year that solidified a lot of people's feelings about it, including myself. As of the last Infinity Draft I was saying stuff like "yeah idk that might have been bullshit", but after Leaving Neverland I definitely came to believe the victims' stories.
Gotcha. I'm familiar with the doc but didn't realize it had such an impact.
g’head and watch the doc and let’s talk trades after.
For someone who doesn’t care you’re very vocal and argumentative about it. 🤷🏻♀️
Don't insert something that is false to stir up an argument, I can only reference what I actually typed and not what your assertions are
What exactly is false about that? You were the first to vocalize that you disagree with Morrissey. Then when people started the discussion, arguing the other side, you continued to be adamant about your feelings about him, insinuating that others were in the wrong.
Ironically, I think Morrissey as a person is more than questionable. And as a performer he's unreliable and apparently not even that good live (sorry Jack, not poo-pooing your pick, just sayin). But I think it's strange to have an opinion about a solo artist but not feel the same way about them in the context of their band (The Smiths in this instance).
The only exception here for me may be MJ & the Jackson 5. And that's just because you're talking about Michael as a child, before all the child molesting shit, and MJ as an adult. I could see the argument for drawing a line there, but views on racism and anti-semitism or whatever other crazy shit Morrissey has talked about these days doesn't just happen overnight. If he truly thinks those things now, then he probably thought them then too.
ETA: all those bands also sought out the “Baby Groupies” when they’d visit LA. They’d actually ask for Sable Starr, who was 14 at the time, by name. Along with Lori Maddox, Bebe Buell & more. All well known, underage, groupies in the 70s who slept with David Bowie, Iggy Pop, members of Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones and more.
Don't insert something that is false to stir up an argument, I can only reference what I actually typed and not what your assertions are
What exactly is false about that? You were the first to vocalize that you disagree with Morrissey. Then when people started the discussion, arguing the other side, you continued to be adamant about your feelings about him, insinuating that others were in the wrong.
Ironically, I think Morrissey as a person is more than questionable. And as a performer he's unreliable and apparently not even that good live (sorry Jack, not poo-pooing your pick, just sayin). But I think it's strange to have an opinion about a solo artist but not feel the same way about them in the context of their band (The Smiths in this instance).
The only exception here for me may be MJ & the Jackson 5. And that's just because you're talking about Michael as a child, before all the child molesting shit, and MJ as an adult. I could see the argument for drawing a line there, but views on racism and anti-semitism or whatever other crazy shit Morrissey has talked about these days doesn't just happen overnight. If he truly thinks those things now, then he probably thought them then too.
Was Morrissey a really shitty person while he was in The Smiths? I mean if you're drafting The Smiths you're drafting the 1980's versions of them.
Why wasn’t this a debate when The Smiths were drafted? Why is it only problematic when you draft someone solo vs with the group they fronted? Honest question.
I think it's an issue now versus then because the issue is with stuff he's currently saying and doing. Not with stuff thirty years ago.
For example, I felt comfortable drafting the Jackson 5 but there was no way I'd draft Michael solo.
Edit: just saw that you already mentioned this one.