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I have no doubt that we will still see a pretty solid lineup. Yes, they do start gettin' each lineup together (usually the bigger names) way before they release it. How will this affect 'Roo '21? Who knows? The live entertainment industry is goin' through a huge upheaval right now. Some bands/artists are not gonna come out on top after this is over. I imagine LN will likely try and get a majority of this lineup to play next summer ('cause who really thinks SeptermbeRoo is actually happenin'), but then we'll also have new albums to contend with as well.
Re: new albums, I could see a lot of recording plans put on hold until this is sorted out. Maybe not the smaller bedroom producer types, but for bigger artists with larger production teams or bands with members spread across the country, getting together to write, rehearse, and record may not be that easy for a while.
I’ve been wondering too how much they would rebook the 2020 lineup in 2021, assuming 2020 is cancelled. Obviously it was a sellout lineup, but will it feel stale and less exciting? 2021 is the 20th anniversary too — I don’t know that anything special was in the works, but it seems like something to celebrate. And as was said, some 2021 bookings were likely already in place, but with everything so scrambled, I’m guessing nothing is as firm as it seemed. Should be interesting to watch.
If you're Bonnaroo, is your plan for your next festival to be June of 2021 or do you jump right to the fall of 2021 because it's more likely to happen and can be better planned?
If you're Bonnaroo, is your plan for your next festival to be June of 2021 or do you jump right to the fall of 2021 because it's more likely to happen and can be better planned?
Then you have fall 2021 and summer 2022? Sounds like we might be getting two Roos in 12 months.
I would guess fall 21 after that article came out.
The biggest wildcard for me in this is how either trump or the American public handle this for much longer. Tension is absolutely building and Trump/republicans (and for God knows what reason, Joe Biden) are getting more serious, or as serious as Republicans can be, about reopening the economy. If this is executed as gracelessly as it seems it will be, then I imagine a TON of people are going to die and we’ll get over the new curve relatively quickly and things will be able to fully open back up sooner rather than fall 21.
Would it be safe to assume that a lot of 2nd/3rd tier festivals won’t recover from this? If that’s the case, could a potential silver lining be that the festival market is less saturated leading to better lineups?
Would it be safe to assume that a lot of 2nd/3rd tier festivals won’t recover from this? If that’s the case, could a potential silver lining be that the festival market is less saturated leading to better lineups?
I think this is going to destroy the festival bubble and some 2nd and 3rd tiers (well establish/in the black) that have been around for awhile will remain.
Would it be safe to assume that a lot of 2nd/3rd tier festivals won’t recover from this? If that’s the case, could a potential silver lining be that the festival market is less saturated leading to better lineups?
lot of those are owned by live nation so its gonna be up to them. i could see the value in them keeping them
Some dude who (allegedly) works for Bonnaroo posted on the FB page saying he got "the call" from his boss today basically saying it's off. Obviously not sure how legit it is, but the guy does have Bonnaroo listed as his job on his profile.
Bonnaroo '15/'16/'17/'18/'19 - ACL '13/'14/'15/'17/'18 - Fun Fun Fun '14 - SXSW '13/'14/'15 - FPSF '16
2019 Shows: 4/30 - Vampire Weekend 6/28 - Father John Misty & Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit 9/6 - Cardi B w/ Teyana Taylor 9/28 - Vulfpeck w/ The Fearless Flyers
Some dude who (allegedly) works for Bonnaroo posted on the FB page saying he got "the call" from his boss today basically saying it's off. Obviously not sure how legit it is, but the guy does have Bonnaroo listed as his job on his profile.
Regardless, feels inevitable.
September Bonnaroo: it was a nice thought for a month or so.
Would it be safe to assume that a lot of 2nd/3rd tier festivals won’t recover from this? If that’s the case, could a potential silver lining be that the festival market is less saturated leading to better lineups?
Definitely yes to the first part. Most festivals don’t operate on nearly as robust a profit margin as we’d like to imagine. It’s common not to turn a profit for the first couple years. Like Vieux said, the well-established festivals will be fine, but some of the newer and smaller ones won’t survive.
A ton of festivals folded during the GFC - we’re in a similarly saturated market and poor economy, so I’d expect a similar outcome. The economic impact may not be quite as catastrophic as the late 2000s on the whole, but the current situation has the added element of large events being legally barred from proceeding, so I’d say it more than evens out.
It will be a gradual shift back to normality, starting with smaller & more essential gatherings like schools and offices, and slowly easing their way up. Festivals are on the extreme end of both crowd size and inessentiality, so they will be one of the last things to return. Not to mention that festivals aren’t the most hygienic of places at the best of times...
And I wouldn’t bank on the second part of your question. Festivals aren’t just competing with each other in any given year; they’re competing with recent years of both their own festival and other festivals. It doesn’t really matter if you’ve got exclusive rights to Chance the Rapper that summer if he’s played every major festival over the past several years. Everyone will still be drawing from the same pool of acts - and for every Lizzo or Billie Eilish who blow up to headliner status within a couple years, there’s two more who retire or break up or pass away.
Some dude who (allegedly) works for Bonnaroo posted on the FB page saying he got "the call" from his boss today basically saying it's off. Obviously not sure how legit it is, but the guy does have Bonnaroo listed as his job on his profile.
Regardless, feels inevitable.
September Bonnaroo: it was a nice thought for a month or so.
Honestly if by September I can go sit in a restaurant and eat i'll be so happy it will basically be Bonnaroo.
September Bonnaroo: it was a nice thought for a month or so.
Honestly if by September I can go sit in a restaurant and eat i'll be so happy it will basically be Bonnaroo.
We went grocery shopping yesterday, and it made me feel that high of youthful rebellion just to be out in public. I wish I were kidding, but it's legitimately the most exciting thing I do all week these days. I thought that wasn't supposed to happen until I was like 85...
This festival is looking more appealing by the minute:
Some dude who (allegedly) works for Bonnaroo posted on the FB page saying he got "the call" from his boss today basically saying it's off. Obviously not sure how legit it is, but the guy does have Bonnaroo listed as his job on his profile.
Regardless, feels inevitable.
i don’t think this happens but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Facebook scoop come true from my time on the board.
Bonnaroo '15/'16/'17/'18/'19 - ACL '13/'14/'15/'17/'18 - Fun Fun Fun '14 - SXSW '13/'14/'15 - FPSF '16
2019 Shows: 4/30 - Vampire Weekend 6/28 - Father John Misty & Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit 9/6 - Cardi B w/ Teyana Taylor 9/28 - Vulfpeck w/ The Fearless Flyers
Voodoo just cancelled. I would say this puts Bonnaroo in a tough spot.
I'm just waitin' on them to make it official at this point.
They're waiting until after that last payment plan money gets pulled from folks bank accounts. THEN, they will postpone until next year and hopefully do some sort of refund/hold with perks offer.
I've sadly accepted that Bonnaroo is most likely not happening this year. But I just don't want to miss this lineup, even if it's next year. Would they have already booked headliners and other artists for next year's lineup well ahead of time, or is there a possibility we could see a similar overall lineup next summer? I can't imagine they'd want to let such a successful lineup go to waste.
It'll be interesting to see. They've said in the past that some acts are lined up a year or two out. I wonder if they already had some acts lined up for 2021?
Unlikely that they had anything firm for 2021, but if they did, they could just add that to this years lineup and go TWO WEEKENDS NEXT YEAR.
Post by thevagabond on Apr 22, 2020 15:27:54 GMT -5
Kevin Parker in his recent Relix interview (which was posted 2 days ago but still reads that Bonnaroo is in June):
“I didn’t realize that the set we played was expected to be this special show that lasted two hours,” he says of their 2016 late-night spot. “Afterward, people said, ‘Oh, you’re finished?’ And we were like, ‘You want us to play songs we haven’t played in 10 years?’ I was a bit disappointed that nobody told us, because we probably could have played for two hours. So I wish I could apologize to the people there.”
Kevin Parker in his recent Relix interview (which was posted 2 days ago but still reads that Bonnaroo is in June):
“I didn’t realize that the set we played was expected to be this special show that lasted two hours,” he says of their 2016 late-night spot. “Afterward, people said, ‘Oh, you’re finished?’ And we were like, ‘You want us to play songs we haven’t played in 10 years?’ I was a bit disappointed that nobody told us, because we probably could have played for two hours. So I wish I could apologize to the people there.”
Hate to belabor the point, but since belaboring the point is a time-honored inforoo tradition:
1. Some live performers are comfortable playing "without a net". They rehearse a bunch of different songs, and are OK with playing a completely different set every night (often jambands or true CDJ or vinyl DJs) or on the less extreme side playing a standardish setlist but are comfortable enough with songs outside this standard setlist that they change it up just a bit each night (certain rock bands, "laptop" EDM DJs)
2. Other live performers create a specific set with specific songs, and they rarely stray from it. They may do this for any number of reasons. Maybe they want to really nail the technical aspects of these songs every night, get it as perfect as possible for the audience. Maybe they have an artistic reason for doing so, they've curated this "journey" from beginning to end and this is what they want to communicate to their fans. Maybe they don't have the skill to just play a song off the cuff they haven't performed for weeks/months or longer. Maybe they have specific visual elements they want to accompany a song. Maybe they physically for whatever reason just can't play longer than their standard set time.
I argue the vast majority of live performers fall under #2. Tame Impala is clearly one of those artists. You can scan through their setlists and see they generally play the same set over the tour, maybe with one or two different songs. I'd speculate they fall under the "really nail the technical aspects" and "artistic reason for doing so" reasons mentioned above. I imagine Kevin Parker would be horrified if they tried to "bust out" an old track they haven't played in a while and completely blew it, whereas a jamband wouldn't give too much of a shit if they did.
I don't even like Tame Impala that much. But I like music, and Tame Impala is a band that people like, so I have a bare familiarity with their playing style, and it's perfectly clear they never play extended sets. Maybe this will change in the future, maybe not, but the chances of it suddenly happening at Bonnaroo 2016 were clearly slim.
Bonnaroo was to blame for scheduling them too long. A little communication with the band's people would have prevented this issue from ever happening.
Kevin Parker in his recent Relix interview (which was posted 2 days ago but still reads that Bonnaroo is in June):
“I didn’t realize that the set we played was expected to be this special show that lasted two hours,” he says of their 2016 late-night spot. “Afterward, people said, ‘Oh, you’re finished?’ And we were like, ‘You want us to play songs we haven’t played in 10 years?’ I was a bit disappointed that nobody told us, because we probably could have played for two hours. So I wish I could apologize to the people there.”
Hate to belabor the point, but since belaboring the point is a time-honored inforoo tradition:
1. Some live performers are comfortable playing "without a net". They rehearse a bunch of different songs, and are OK with playing a completely different set every night (often jambands or true CDJ or vinyl DJs) or on the less extreme side playing a standardish setlist but are comfortable enough with songs outside this standard setlist that they change it up just a bit each night (certain rock bands, "laptop" EDM DJs)
2. Other live performers create a specific set with specific songs, and they rarely stray from it. They may do this for any number of reasons. Maybe they want to really nail the technical aspects of these songs every night, get it as perfect as possible for the audience. Maybe they have an artistic reason for doing so, they've curated this "journey" from beginning to end and this is what they want to communicate to their fans. Maybe they don't have the skill to just play a song off the cuff they haven't performed for weeks/months or longer. Maybe they have specific visual elements they want to accompany a song. Maybe they physically for whatever reason just can't play longer than their standard set time.
I argue the vast majority of live performers fall under #2. Tame Impala is clearly one of those artists. You can scan through their setlists and see they generally play the same set over the tour, maybe with one or two different songs. I'd speculate they fall under the "really nail the technical aspects" and "artistic reason for doing so" reasons mentioned above. I imagine Kevin Parker would be horrified if they tried to "bust out" an old track they haven't played in a while and completely blew it, whereas a jamband wouldn't give too much of a shit if they did.
I don't even like Tame Impala that much. But I like music, and Tame Impala is a band that people like, so I have a bare familiarity with their playing style, and it's perfectly clear they never play extended sets. Maybe this will change in the future, maybe not, but the chances of it suddenly happening at Bonnaroo 2016 were clearly slim.
Bonnaroo was to blame for scheduling them too long. A little communication with the band's people would have prevented this issue from ever happening.
omg look at how right i've been.
It's coming from the person who was found to be at blame and it's coming years later. I'd hardly consider this the definitive word on the subject.
It's entirely possible even if he's being 100% accurate here that others in his camp booked them for a set of this length and didn't communicate it or didn't remind him about it. It's not like he's booking himself.
Kevin Parker in his recent Relix interview (which was posted 2 days ago but still reads that Bonnaroo is in June):
“I didn’t realize that the set we played was expected to be this special show that lasted two hours,” he says of their 2016 late-night spot. “Afterward, people said, ‘Oh, you’re finished?’ And we were like, ‘You want us to play songs we haven’t played in 10 years?’ I was a bit disappointed that nobody told us, because we probably could have played for two hours. So I wish I could apologize to the people there.”
Hate to belabor the point, but since belaboring the point is a time-honored inforoo tradition:
1. Some live performers are comfortable playing "without a net". They rehearse a bunch of different songs, and are OK with playing a completely different set every night (often jambands or true CDJ or vinyl DJs) or on the less extreme side playing a standardish setlist but are comfortable enough with songs outside this standard setlist that they change it up just a bit each night (certain rock bands, "laptop" EDM DJs)
2. Other live performers create a specific set with specific songs, and they rarely stray from it. They may do this for any number of reasons. Maybe they want to really nail the technical aspects of these songs every night, get it as perfect as possible for the audience. Maybe they have an artistic reason for doing so, they've curated this "journey" from beginning to end and this is what they want to communicate to their fans. Maybe they don't have the skill to just play a song off the cuff they haven't performed for weeks/months or longer. Maybe they have specific visual elements they want to accompany a song. Maybe they physically for whatever reason just can't play longer than their standard set time.
I argue the vast majority of live performers fall under #2. Tame Impala is clearly one of those artists. You can scan through their setlists and see they generally play the same set over the tour, maybe with one or two different songs. I'd speculate they fall under the "really nail the technical aspects" and "artistic reason for doing so" reasons mentioned above. I imagine Kevin Parker would be horrified if they tried to "bust out" an old track they haven't played in a while and completely blew it, whereas a jamband wouldn't give too much of a shit if they did.
I don't even like Tame Impala that much. But I like music, and Tame Impala is a band that people like, so I have a bare familiarity with their playing style, and it's perfectly clear they never play extended sets. Maybe this will change in the future, maybe not, but the chances of it suddenly happening at Bonnaroo 2016 were clearly slim.
Bonnaroo was to blame for scheduling them too long. A little communication with the band's people would have prevented this issue from ever happening.
omg look at how right i've been.
Is your argument really that they didn’t know they had 2 hours? It was online everywhere. Also this solidified my distaste for them . Oh no one told you it had to be special? That’s a gross statement that I’m surprised he allowed to be In print. Why not just try to fucking make it special. Seems weird that he’s gotta get a statement from Bonnaroo to say hey “maybe put in a little effort on this one eh?”
Is your argument really that they didn’t know they had 2 hours? It was online everywhere
just my judgment but i'd think most bands playing festivals assume somewhere from a 50-75 minute timeslot, and prepare a set for that accordingly. so if bonnaroo is going to book a band like tame impala that plays a fixed setlist with little deviation night over night for a two hour timeslot, and make that timeslot a big deal to fans, they should also have explicitly communicated that to the band:
"hey we know you typically play a 75 minute set or whatever but FYI we are giving you two hours if you want to play more. if not let us know and we can change your set length to 75 minutes instead of two hours so that your fans aren't disappointed and arguing about it online for 4 years."
i also don't think kevin parker is online reading about the festivals he is playing at or their schedules or what other artists are playing. you could make an argument that someone within his organization should be doing that, but again i think the impetus to communicate an unusual set length is primarily on bonnaroo.
Is your argument really that they didn’t know they had 2 hours? It was online everywhere
just my judgment but i'd think most bands playing festivals assume somewhere from a 50-75 minute timeslot, and prepare a set for that accordingly. so if bonnaroo is going to book a band like tame impala that plays a fixed setlist with little deviation night over night for a two hour timeslot, and make that timeslot a big deal to fans, they should also have explicitly communicated that to the band:
"hey we know you typically play a 75 minute set or whatever but FYI we are giving you two hours if you want to play more. if not let us know and we can change your set length to 75 minutes instead of two hours so that your fans aren't disappointed and arguing about it online for 4 years."
i also don't think kevin parker is online reading about the festivals he is playing at or their schedules or what other artists are playing. you could make an argument that someone within his organization should be doing that, but again i think the impetus to communicate an unusual set length is primarily on bonnaroo.
The idea that they know when to start, but not when to stop, makes no sense to me
just my judgment but i'd think most bands playing festivals assume somewhere from a 50-75 minute timeslot, and prepare a set for that accordingly. so if bonnaroo is going to book a band like tame impala that plays a fixed setlist with little deviation night over night for a two hour timeslot, and make that timeslot a big deal to fans, they should also have explicitly communicated that to the band:
"hey we know you typically play a 75 minute set or whatever but FYI we are giving you two hours if you want to play more. if not let us know and we can change your set length to 75 minutes instead of two hours so that your fans aren't disappointed and arguing about it online for 4 years."
i also don't think kevin parker is online reading about the festivals he is playing at or their schedules or what other artists are playing. you could make an argument that someone within his organization should be doing that, but again i think the impetus to communicate an unusual set length is primarily on bonnaroo.
The idea that they know when to start, but not when to stop, makes no sense to me
Come on, if they were literally not told they were expected to play an extra 40 minutes how do you expect them to walk out and play songs they haven't rehearsed in years. They're not a jam band. Bonnaroo fucked up. Tame Impala's touring manager could also take some blame for not seeing this ahead of time.
Honestly if by September I can go sit in a restaurant and eat i'll be so happy it will basically be Bonnaroo.
We went grocery shopping yesterday, and it made me feel that high of youthful rebellion just to be out in public. I wish I were kidding, but it's legitimately the most exciting thing I do all week these days. I thought that wasn't supposed to happen until I was like 85...
This festival is looking more appealing by the minute: