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FDA expected to authorize booster shots for immunocompromised in the next 48 hours.
Boosters are coming.
Would my severe asthma be considered immunocompromised?
I actually think no, based on what I just saw on the news. Or, more specifically, not immunocompromised enough. The people who qualify are people who are severely immunocompromised, like people in cancer treatment or those with HIV/AIDS. And this time they want some proof of the condition, unlike last time when they just took people's word for it.
I can't find it now but earlier, the Belly Up Tavern posted a statement from Shellac about it again cancelling its West Coast shows, including one scheduled for the Belly Up. In addition to saying they're all vaccinated but are concerned about breakthrough infections making them have to quarantine somewhere far from home, the band's statement also said they would feel guilty if one of their shows led to a community spread. It's a little weird for the statement to be posted by a venue that is continuing to host shows that could conceivably lead to community spreads.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Watershed Music Festival (another country music one) had anywhere from 20-28K in attendance and is now at 210 cases stemming from the festival. Unclear if the count includes secondary transmissions. No vaxx or negative tests required.
So, somewhere around 1% of attendees are affected — a higher rate than those other festivals we were watching, but lower than that 4.5% rate coming out of those three festivals in Catalonia. (For reference, those other fests were Faster Horses at 0.28% (0.07% if vaxxed), an Oregon festival at 0.062%, and Lolla at 0.2%.)
It’s still hard to know if these are junk data numbers for all sorts of reasons (do we really think Lolla generated 200 cases out of 100,000 attendees?) I can’t help but read the stories and do the math though. Sorry if this is useless.
In brighter news, Pondo tweeted that he’s out of the ICU, so here’s hoping for a full recovery.
Watershed Music Festival (another country music one) had anywhere from 20-28K in attendance and is now at 210 cases stemming from the festival. Unclear if the count includes secondary transmissions. No vaxx or negative tests required.
So, somewhere around 1% of attendees are affected — a higher rate than those other festivals we were watching, but lower than that 4.5% rate coming out of those three festivals in Catalonia. (For reference, those other fests were Faster Horses at 0.28% (0.07% if vaxxed), an Oregon festival at 0.062%, and Lolla at 0.2%.)
It’s still hard to know if these are junk data numbers for all sorts of reasons (do we really think Lolla generated 200 cases out of 100,000 attendees?) I can’t help but read the stories and do the math though. Sorry if this is useless.
In brighter news, Pondo tweeted that he’s out of the ICU, so here’s hoping for a full recovery.
I'm very curious as to the methodology when they talk about cases "linked" to a festival. Does that mean they did some form of contact tracing to determine that infections actually happened *at* the festival? Or is it just a matter of people going into the festival uninfected (to the best of their knowledge, and I'm guessing that's not great when no test result or proof of vaccination is required) and testing positive within a certain window afterward? How do they account for the possibility that people were infected in other ways that are because of the festival, but not at the festival (i.e., travel to/from), or in other settings/situations that happened during the festival (at restaurants/bars/other places outside of festival hours in the case of non-camping festivals).
Anecdotally, a lot of folks in the post-Lolla mega-thread on reddit copped to going to clubs, bars, restaurants, and after-hours indoor shows while they were in Chicago...all of which are higher-risk environments than being outdoors. You also had people in there saying they tested positive on 8/3 (i.e., the day after the festival ended), which, given what we know of the virus, most likely means they didn't catch it on the actual dates in question.
I mean, I *hope* the people conducting this research are accounting for the above, but not a single one of the articles about any of these events has made that clear, so it really makes me wonder.
I feel all these concert studies are useless unless all attendees are completely isolating during and after the festival until they get tested. There's just no way to know if they specifically got it there with how fast spreading the Delta variant is. I want to believe those conducting the studies know better but I feel they aren't factoring in multiple other possibilities such as young peoples penchant for going out after a festival. If they caught it one day of the festival, are we to believe that was the only place they were at the entire day? Not the hotel, getting breakfast, going out after or even the airport. Seems they are going by 'it's a good chance they got it there' instead of 'they specifically caught it at 1pm during Deadmau5'.
I feel all these concert studies are useless unless all attendees are completely isolating during and after the festival until they get tested. There's just no way to know if they specifically got it there with how fast spreading the Delta variant is. I want to believe those conducting the studies know better but I feel they aren't factoring in multiple other possibilities such as young peoples penchant for going out after a festival. If they caught it one day of the festival, are we to believe that was the only place they were at the entire day? Not the hotel, getting breakfast, going out after or even the airport. Seems they are going by 'it's a good chance they got it there' instead of 'they specifically caught it at 1pm during Deadmau5'.
I think it really varies. Both Faster Horses and Watershed were camping festivals. Lolla, obviously, wasn't. But, of course, neither Faster Horses nor Watershed had vaccine/negative test requirements, and while I hate to generalize, they were both mainstream country music festivals, and my hypothesis would be that vaccination rates and/or adherence to things like masking during day-to-day activities skews low with that audience.
I feel all these concert studies are useless unless all attendees are completely isolating during and after the festival until they get tested. There's just no way to know if they specifically got it there with how fast spreading the Delta variant is. I want to believe those conducting the studies know better but I feel they aren't factoring in multiple other possibilities such as young peoples penchant for going out after a festival. If they caught it one day of the festival, are we to believe that was the only place they were at the entire day? Not the hotel, getting breakfast, going out after or even the airport. Seems they are going by 'it's a good chance they got it there' instead of 'they specifically caught it at 1pm during Deadmau5'.
I think it really varies. Both Faster Horses and Watershed were camping festivals. Lolla, obviously, wasn't. But, of course, neither Faster Horses nor Watershed had vaccine/negative test requirements, and while I hate to generalize, they were both mainstream country music festivals, and my hypothesis would be that vaccination rates and/or adherence to things like masking during day-to-day activities skews low with that audience.
I'd gladly take a 1% rate from a non vax/test required country festival with how skyrocketing the numbers are now. I think Lolla bodes well for festivals in the fall.
I can't find it now but earlier, the Belly Up Tavern posted a statement from Shellac about it again cancelling its West Coast shows, including one scheduled for the Belly Up. In addition to saying they're all vaccinated but are concerned about breakthrough infections making them have to quarantine somewhere far from home, the band's statement also said they would feel guilty if one of their shows led to a community spread. It's a little weird for the statement to be posted by a venue that is continuing to host shows that could conceivably lead to community spreads.
They posted it yesterday but it possibly might been made private then undone on accident.
So is there anything stopping anyone from just getting the extra shot right now? I mean there were work arounds on CVS to get a shot sooner than you were allowed to and I doubt theyve changed their forms when booking an appointment.
Post by crazykittensmile on Aug 17, 2021 13:01:35 GMT -5
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
Do it. Take your precautions and your risks aren't really any different than if you were doing things in your hometown.
Then again, I'm going to Bonnaroo so maybe my advice is invalid. LOL.
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
Hawaii seems to have all the necessary protections in place (do they still?) to make it pretty safe once you're there. the flights shouldn't be too bad either if they are still requiring a negative test or vaccination so as long as your little is wearing a mask along with the rest of the plane I think it could be OK. probably safer than schools right now IMO.
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
Hawaii seems to have all the necessary protections in place (do they still?) to make it pretty safe once you're there. the flights shouldn't be too bad either if they are still requiring a negative test or vaccination so as long as your little is wearing a mask along with the rest of the plane I think it could be OK. probably safer than schools right now IMO.
Yeah Hawaii still has mask mandate indoors, it looks like they only recently removed mask mandate outdoors. It's Kauai which is one of the less population dense islands, so I hope that would help too.
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
Go. Just hope it does turn out like The White Lotus
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
I feel you. After literally two years of no air travel, I'm about to take two trips in the next two weeks (to L.A. for work, to Nashville for Roo). It feels really weird and shocking...but I have friends who've been traveling for both work and other reasons for a while, now, and they've been really reassuring with me. And none of them, so far (touch wood) has gotten infected while traveling.
Honestly, if it were me, based on what you're saying, I'd go. As you mentioned, the only place you're really risking increased exposure vs. day-to-day life is the airport/on the plane. For that, get some high-quality masks, since they're actually available now. If you can handle it, get N95s, and wear one from the moment you enter the departure airport to the time you leave the arrival airport. If that's too uncomfortable, opt for KN95s.
That's my plan for my upcoming trips, anyway. It's going to suck wearing an N95 for what will probably literally be 9 hours on my L.A. trip, but I feel like it'll be worth it to feel mostly safe.
Okay so we've had a family vacation planned for Hawaii with my parents and my brother's family (3 kids too young to be vaccinated, plus my 1). It was originally scheduled for 2020, but pushed to this year because we thought things would be a whole lot better.
My parents are still going either way, my brother and his family are still planning on going... Am I crazy for even considering it? I feel bad either way lol. Serious FOMO missing out on a great vacation with the family. It's tempting, but I'm also scared.
We'll be staying in two timeshare units so no need to go to restaurants, we'll be at the beach all day, so it seems the risky spot would be the airport/airplane. It's a direct flight, and it looks like southwest is requiring masks for everyone.
WWID (What Would Inforoo Do)?
Go, and take all the precautions. But then again, I'm going to Bonnaroo, so what do I know.
And please be nice to the hotel staff, so they don't shit in your luggage. (White Lotus reference)
So is there anything stopping anyone from just getting the extra shot right now? I mean there were work arounds on CVS to get a shot sooner than you were allowed to and I doubt theyve changed their forms when booking an appointment.
Seems like it would be easy too by lying. I convinced myself to, but the thought of not having all three of my shots on one card made me not.
So is there anything stopping anyone from just getting the extra shot right now? I mean there were work arounds on CVS to get a shot sooner than you were allowed to and I doubt theyve changed their forms when booking an appointment.
You will have to lie. And you won't get the third shot marked on your card.