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Post by Pepe Silvia on May 30, 2020 11:00:15 GMT -5
wake up and my board has been OBLITERATED.
as for public voting vs polls, im currently on the side of sticking with polls. i very much agree that it can be hard enough to compare lineups that are going for something completely different in the polls, and having to publicly do so between two lineups just doesn't make sense to me. i think the best way to get the most authentic answer of a champion is the system we have. BUT i did very much enjoy how engaged people were throughout the coachella draft voting, so i personally think the best option here is to leave the voting the way it is, and just hold each others feet to the fire to provide some level of explanations each round of voting on why they think the lineups they voted for deserve votes.
The whole argument is that the old system feels very surface level type voting whereas the Coachella Draft voting provided each round with 5-10 pages of discussions and arguments. I don't need to retype of what I wrote this morning, right? The public voting just comes with the brackets but isn't the reason I'm proposing this.
I agree that some match-ups might not always be your taste tho (AvB and CvD) but ya.
edit: point on the A vs B, C vs D could be made that you're gonna have to select your favorite one or two in the end anyways if you like the final two or four or not. Unless you decide to not vote in the end lol.
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It's not something that I am enthusiastic about keeping up with, especially in early rounds. I like the 'set it up and then wait for the results' of the poll feature personally.
Why do we care who voted for what anyways?
Mods can see who voted for what, though. Druid , is there a way to screenshot the final results so that everybody can know how everyone voted if that's something that's important?
I can see who is winning and the final results. I can not however see who voted for whom.
I'm happy with a scenario where we spend more times talking about individual lineups.
What about an AMA round between UDFA's and the first round of voting where we present our full line ups, schedules, posters, etc. and then field questions?
My reasoning for being for public voting/brackets.
It's almost impossible for me personally to judge 10 different lineups against each other, much less 25. The bracket system and public voting made it so you only had to compare lineups one v one which was much easier for me and caused people to have to spend more time talking about and defending their lineups. With the original polling voting there were probably plenty of people just voting for themselves which is also not great. I also think it makes it harder for people to claim groups are working together when voting is public. The idea that these lineups are too different to judge against each other in a bracket doesn't make sense to me since we're judging them against each other either way.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
Yeah, I'd help out with counting votes or setting up the threads. Did that when Fred was really busy last draft aswell.
I'm happy with a scenario where we spend more times talking about individual lineups.
What about an AMA round between UDFA's and the first round of voting where we present our full line ups, schedules, posters, etc. and then field questions?
I like the idea of something along these lines. In the past, the draft ends, we go into Free Agency... then there are these reveals and people take a moment to highlight their free agents. But we never take a moment to highlight the full lineup we just put together. Its like the fas get reflected upon more than the picks. Im still kinda liking the idea of an opening statement or something to be presented with posters and schedules.
My reasoning for being for public voting/brackets.
It's almost impossible for me personally to judge 10 different lineups against each other, much less 25. The bracket system and public voting made it so you only had to compare lineups one v one which was much easier for me and caused people to have to spend more time talking about and defending their lineups. With the original polling voting there were probably plenty of people just voting for themselves which is also not great. I also think it makes it harder for people to claim groups are working together when voting is public. The idea that these lineups are too different to judge against each other in a bracket doesn't make sense to me since we're judging them against each other either way.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
See, I did all of my voting based on each individual line up during the Coachella draft anyways. I assigned point values based on billing and had added points for posters and schedules. Then I just applied those scores to the brackets. I did re-score each round just because my moods might change from round to round.
I'm happy with a scenario where we spend more times talking about individual lineups.
What about an AMA round between UDFA's and the first round of voting where we present our full line ups, schedules, posters, etc. and then field questions?
Doesn't that already happen when UFDA lists get rolled out? Then you kinda get an AMA twice to pimp your line up.
The thing that I did not enjoy about the brackets was the lobbying people to change picks and disparaging of others' lineups. Just pimp your lineup.
Also, several of my favorite lineups went out earlier than they would have if they were up against the field instead of against one particular lineup.
On a personal note, not really interested in managing bracket voting.
yea, people trying to convince people to change votes was a bit shitty. I think once a vote was cast it should’ve been final. I think a lot of people benefited from the random picking moving forward. But I could be biased bc p much every time it happened the person I voted for didn’t get picked to move on.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
Yeah, I'd help out with counting votes or setting up the threads. Did that when Fred was really busy last draft aswell.
Yeah, I mean that would be a must. It was kind of a pain in the Pixar Death Match and there were a lot less people involved. And I don't know that I did enough to catch duplicate votes or changed votes.
Post by trantsgiving on May 30, 2020 11:13:22 GMT -5
I think this simply isn’t a debate game. Some people are better at arguing and it’s cool if it’s stated in the rules but it’s seems pretty fundamental to change now.
Yeah I’m for public voting. I honestly believe I’ve got a top 5 lineup right now and I know my stuff tends to just get passed over come voting time so making my lineup a focal point for a bit will benefit me instead of a lot of people going eh his first few drafts were shakey so I’m not going to pay as close attention to this
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
I'm happy with a scenario where we spend more times talking about individual lineups.
What about an AMA round between UDFA's and the first round of voting where we present our full line ups, schedules, posters, etc. and then field questions?
Doesn't that already happen when UFDA lists get rolled out? Then you kinda get an AMA twice to pimp your line up.
Not really. We talk about a few of our UDFA's but there are 50-75 being discussed in a three hour window depending on the draft, often during the work day. We don't talk about the big picture. We usually don't have schedules posted and rarely are they scrutinized.
That round could also be an opportunity to discover and correct potential scheduling conflicts.
Doesn't that already happen when UFDA lists get rolled out? Then you kinda get an AMA twice to pimp your line up.
Not really. We talk about a few of our UDFA's but there are 50-75 being discussed in a three hour window depending on the draft, often during the work day. We don't talk about the big picture. We usually don't have schedules posted and rarely are they scrutinized.
That round could also be an opportunity to discover and correct potential scheduling conflicts.
I think this round is basically gonna end up ignored like FA reveals are for the most part.
Doesn't that already happen when UFDA lists get rolled out? Then you kinda get an AMA twice to pimp your line up.
Not really. We talk about a few of our UDFA's but there are 50-75 being discussed in a three hour window depending on the draft, often during the work day. We don't talk about the big picture. We usually don't have schedules posted and rarely are they scrutinized.
That round could also be an opportunity to discover and correct potential scheduling conflicts.
Okay but then you're just voicing your opinion about everyone individually whereas with the brackets you're weighting out both line ups against each other.
This isn't a debate game? Hearing feedback from people is something different than the stuff I did with Jake Jortles for example. I'm not up for those sort of things tbh.
Not really. We talk about a few of our UDFA's but there are 50-75 being discussed in a three hour window depending on the draft, often during the work day. We don't talk about the big picture. We usually don't have schedules posted and rarely are they scrutinized.
That round could also be an opportunity to discover and correct potential scheduling conflicts.
I think this round is basically gonna end up ignored like FA reveals are for the most part.
Not if people really care to discuss these lineups like they are saying that they do.
It would give you a fixed time to focus on one individual lineup. You would have the time to decide how you rank it, score it, whatever, without feeling like there was too much going on as apparently is the case for some voters with a poll.
Yeah I’m for public voting. I honestly believe I’ve got a top 5 lineup right now and I know my stuff tends to just get passed over come voting time so making my lineup a focal point for a bit will benefit me instead of a lot of people going eh his first few drafts were shakey so I’m not going to pay as close attention to this
fwiw, I never take people’s past lineups into account when voting. I don’t even know who people had previously most of the time. I come into voting each time as a blank slate.
My reasoning for being for public voting/brackets.
It's almost impossible for me personally to judge 10 different lineups against each other, much less 25. The bracket system and public voting made it so you only had to compare lineups one v one which was much easier for me and caused people to have to spend more time talking about and defending their lineups. With the original polling voting there were probably plenty of people just voting for themselves which is also not great. I also think it makes it harder for people to claim groups are working together when voting is public. The idea that these lineups are too different to judge against each other in a bracket doesn't make sense to me since we're judging them against each other either way.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
Couldn't agree more to this. It's always going to be apples vs oranges no matter how you vote.
I think when it's not public voting, people can vote for their buddies more easily.
polling, in my opinion, just rewards the most basic lineups.
What is the logic behind that opinion?
I’ll just use Jake Jortles as an example because he talked about his lineup direction on the podcast. He said he’s going for a less BIG lineup and trying for something more unique and interesting. I think in a poll format he’d have probably no chance but with the opportunity to speak more about his lineup in comparison to another, rather than in comparison to 25 he’d have a much better shot at moving forward.
In the Coachella draft I was one of the lowest in the initial poll but then did Relatively well given to opportunity to talk about my lineup in a 1 v 1 scenario. Not that I’m necessarily going for a win in this draft but I think my lineup is shaping up really cool and I’m most certainly going out first round in a polling situation.
My reasoning for being for public voting/brackets.
It's almost impossible for me personally to judge 10 different lineups against each other, much less 25. The bracket system and public voting made it so you only had to compare lineups one v one which was much easier for me and caused people to have to spend more time talking about and defending their lineups. With the original polling voting there were probably plenty of people just voting for themselves which is also not great. I also think it makes it harder for people to claim groups are working together when voting is public. The idea that these lineups are too different to judge against each other in a bracket doesn't make sense to me since we're judging them against each other either way.
I do understand Cdev not wanting to have to do all the legwork with setting it up along with everything else he's doing for us, but I'm sure others would be happy to organize the voting portion.
Couldn't agree more to this. It's always going to be apples vs oranges no matter how you vote.
I think when it's not public voting, people can vote for their buddies more easily.
