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*Andre Johnson - homer pick, broke a Jerry Rice record *Demarcus Ware - easy call *Devin Hester - it's just more fun if he's in *Jared Allen - fan fave *Richard Seymour - all these d line are dominant, but he's got the rings
Zach Thomas - hall of really great, was on a flight w me to Hawaii but I was too scared to talk to him (was 11) Sam Mills - who? Patrick Willis - will get in no doubt but idk if he makes my 5 Reggie Wayne/Torry Holt - I just think Andre is better and did more with less Bryant Young - HoG, pulls rough draw I'm that he's the 4th best lineman here
*Andre Johnson - homer pick, broke a Jerry Rice record *Demarcus Ware - easy call *Devin Hester - it's just more fun if he's in *Jared Allen - fan fave *Richard Seymour - all these d line are dominant, but he's got the rings
Zach Thomas - hall of really great, was on a flight w me to Hawaii but I was too scared to talk to him (was 11) Sam Mills - who? Patrick Willis - will get in no doubt but idk if he makes my 5 Reggie Wayne/Torry Holt - I just think Andre is better and did more with less Bryant Young - HoG, pulls rough draw I'm that he's the 4th best lineman here
I mean that guy seems interesting but he's not on the same planet as Willis, Ware, Thomas
So then anyone who played in the 80’s into the 90’s gets forgotten then. Also it would be a posthumous induction. Would you induct any player from the 70’s with their stats if youre comparing them to players from the last 20 years?
Come on man. If you know you know. Willis could only have hoped. Mills (aka Field Mouse) was 5’9” and a fucking truck who would stop much bigger running backs in their tracks. He wasn’t gifted with size. He had heart and determination and is one of the best ILB’s in history. The NFL world knows. You’ll probably be arguing some of today’s players with your grandkids in the future because you will have witnessed.
I mean that guy seems interesting but he's not on the same planet as Willis, Ware, Thomas
So then anyone who played in the 80’s into the 90’s gets forgotten then. Also it would be a posthumous induction. Would you induct any player from the 70’s with their stats if youre comparing them to players from the last 20 years?
This is where it’s impossible to debate. I started being aware of and watching sports in the late 60’s. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s. Football and basketball have continuously morphed during the last 50 years or so in almost every way. Basketball still has 5 players per team on a court. Football still has 11 on the field. Early 90’s football (really most of the 70’s and 80’s as well) was far more violent. Alignments, defenses, responsibilities and shit are all different now just as they were different throughout each of those eras as new stars rose and new defensive schemes were required to offset rising trends. I’ll never forget the first time I heard about a spy position. Mobile QB’s came around. 3-4 defenses went to 4-3 and maybe primary nickel packages. So to compare players from different eras is difficult. This was obvious last year when we did the all time NBA draft. When all you can see is clips and look at stats but the eras were different and you didn’t get to witness greatness within an era, it becomes slightly educated personal speculation.
Post by potentpotables on Dec 31, 2021 9:02:15 GMT -5
It feels to me like Patrick Willis is not a hall of famer. Among my buddies though he did have a HOF nickname that I gave him - The Denogganizer (Seinfeld reference).
It feels to me like Patrick Willis is not a hall of famer. Among my buddies though he did have a HOF nickname that I gave him - The Denogganizer (Seinfeld reference).
I don’t have an issue with him getting in now or eventually. He was a great player - just didn’t play all that long if I’m remembering right. He played in a 3-4 though. ILB is different in the 3-4 than the 4-3 even when the 4th LB (OLB) lines up at RDE or LDE. You can’t really compare them because they are (mostly) completely different.
I know that we hate on Schefter a bit here but he's done a great job of amplifying this. Such a sad situation that got immediately overshadowed by Madden's death.
Willis had a relatively short career but he was All-Pro five times, including a stretch of four straight. That's hard to deny.
Tasker was All Pro seven times and never made the final fifteen.
He made seven Pro Bowls, which is not the same, as a special teams gunner. Maybe he should have made it, but Hester might not even make it and he's the best special teams player ever pretty much.
Tasker was All Pro seven times and never made the final fifteen.
He made seven Pro Bowls, which is not the same, as a special teams gunner. Maybe he should have made it, but Hester might not even make it and he's the best special teams player ever pretty much.
Nobody is trying to put Esiason in the HOF. Seriously tho, we do tend to romanticize our eras. Someone was gushing over Andre Johnson and admittedly I haven’t researched this comparison but I would assume that Reggie Wayne would have more credentials and he wouldn’t even be in your final 15 if you didn’t watch his career.
Edit: pretty similar numbers. Both Johnson and Wayne had 14k yards. Johnson had 70 career receiving tds. Wayne had 82.
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Nobody is trying to put Esiason in the HOF. Seriously tho, we do tend to romanticize our eras. Someone was gushing over Andre Johnson and admittedly I haven’t researched this comparison but I would assume that Reggie Wayne would have more credentials and he wouldn’t even be in your final 15 if you didn’t watch his career.
Thats why Sterling Sharpe got the short end of the stick because his career ended a few seasons short due to injury. But Terrell Davis gets in because he helped Elway get 2 titles and he only played 7 seasons.
Nobody is trying to put Esiason in the HOF. Seriously tho, we do tend to romanticize our eras. Someone was gushing over Andre Johnson and admittedly I haven’t researched this comparison but I would assume that Reggie Wayne would have more credentials and he wouldn’t even be in your final 15 if you didn’t watch his career.
Edit: pretty similar numbers. Both Johnson and Wayne had 14k yards. Johnson had 70 career receiving tds. Wayne had 82.
lol I wasn't *gushing* I said he was a Homer pick. the record he broke was first to have 60 receptions in his first 8 seasons, iirc, but Reggie has less all pros, never led league in receptions which is weird, he wasn't even the best wr on his team, and if you want to add context to the numbers one guy had Peyton and the other guy had David Carr and Matt Schaub
it is absurd they were both on the same U Miami team though
I did love Andre Johnson the year I had him in fantasy. Except I think he got ejected one game for losing his cool in a fight with a titans CB I think.
I know that we hate on Schefter a bit here but he's done a great job of amplifying this. Such a sad situation that got immediately overshadowed by Madden's death.