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Hardest for me was voting Godard over Coppola. Apocalypse Now is in my top 10, maybe top 5 all time and The Godfather is The Godfather of course, but Coppola has quite a few stinkers too. Godard's run from 1959 to 1970ish is full of masterworks.
my hardest matchups were Scorsese vs Villeneuve & Burton vs Peele, for the same reason - Blade Runner 2049 and Get Out are perfect movies, but it's hard to compare their relatively small filmographies with the breadth of work of Scorsese and Burton (even if Burton has been cranking out stinkers for about 15 years now).
Hardest for me was voting Godard over Coppola. Apocalypse Now is in my top 10, maybe top 5 all time and The Godfather is The Godfather of course, but Coppola has quite a few stinkers too. Godard's run from 1959 to 1970ish is full of masterworks.
my hardest matchups were Scorsese vs Villeneuve & Burton vs Peele, for the same reason - Blade Runner 2049 and Get Out are perfect movies, but it's hard to compare their relatively small filmographies with the breadth of work of Scorsese and Burton (even if Burton has been cranking out stinkers for about 15 years now).
Scorsese may be my very close number 2 behind Kubrick. Kubrick has pretty much a perfect filmography, but he has only made 13 films over like, 40+ years? Scorsese has made 25 narrative films and 16 documentaries, very very few of which are stinkers, if any.
Villeneuve is one of the best right now for sure, but I want to see him do more original stuff after Dune before I consider him true elite.
Hardest for me was voting Godard over Coppola. Apocalypse Now is in my top 10, maybe top 5 all time and The Godfather is The Godfather of course, but Coppola has quite a few stinkers too. Godard's run from 1959 to 1970ish is full of masterworks.
my hardest matchups were Scorsese vs Villeneuve & Burton vs Peele, for the same reason - Blade Runner 2049 and Get Out are perfect movies, but it's hard to compare their relatively small filmographies with the breadth of work of Scorsese and Burton (even if Burton has been cranking out stinkers for about 15 years now).
I wouldn't say Burtons put out stinkers but he's very much just found a groove and stayed in it w little effort to expand his pallet
my hardest matchups were Scorsese vs Villeneuve & Burton vs Peele, for the same reason - Blade Runner 2049 and Get Out are perfect movies, but it's hard to compare their relatively small filmographies with the breadth of work of Scorsese and Burton (even if Burton has been cranking out stinkers for about 15 years now).
I wouldn't say Burtons put out stinkers but he's very much just found a groove and stayed in it w little effort to expand his pallet
The last film of his that I truly enjoyed was Sweeney Todd. The Alice movies had so much squandered potential... they turned into yet another vehicle for Johnny Depp to be cartoonishly creepy. Dark Shadows and Frankenweenie were forgettable, and I haven't seen his last couple projects.
I will see Beetlejuice 2 when it comes out - but like any sequel released decades after the original, I have some reservations.
lol frankenweenie was tight. also miss peregrine was solid for the genre, Dumbo was fine, but he's just too big a name so of course he gets those movies. 85 > 96 is too good
East #1 Steven Spielberg vs #16 Ryan Coogler #8 Mel Brooks vs #9 John Carpenter #2 Francis Ford Coppola vs #15 Jean-Luc Godard #7 Clint Eastwood vs #10 Ron Howard #3 Ridley Scott vs #14 Ang Lee #6 David Lynch vs #11 Richard Linklater #4 Spike Lee vs #13 Alfonso Cuaron #5 Woody Allen vs #12 Mel Gibson
West: #1 Alfred Hitchcok #16 Sidney Lumet #8 Darren Aronofsky vs #9 Paul Thomas Anderson #2 Coen Brothers vs #15 Nora Ephron #7 Sam Mendes vs #10 Guy Ritchie #3 Frank Capra vs #14 Michael Mann #6 Peter Jackson vs #11 Robert Zemeckis #4 James Cameron vs #13 Robert Eggers #5 Bong Joon-Ho vs #12 Rob Reiner
North: #1 Martin Scorsese #16 Denis Villeneuve #8 M. Night Shyamalan vs #9 Charlie Kaufman #2 Stanley Kubrick vs #15 John Singleton #7 John Hughes vs #10 Roman Polanski #3 Kathryn Bigelow vs #14 JJ Abrams #6 David Fincher vs #11 Terrence Malick #4 Wes Anderson vs #13 Jane Campion #5 Steven Soderbergh vs #12 Kevin Smith
South: #1 Quentin Tarantino #16 Barry Jenkins #8 Zach Snyder vs #9 Greta Gerwig #2 Christopher Nolan vs #15 Ari Aster #7 Sofia Coppola vs #10 Penny Marshall #3 Tim Burton vs #14 Jordon Peele #6 Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu vs #11 Orson Wells #4 Guillermo del Toro vs #13 Chloe Zhao #5 Oliver Stone vs #12 George Lucas
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
And Stone has like what? Platoon, JFK and Snowden going for him? But yes, mostly because of Star Wars. The shit he did with that movie production-wise was so far ahead of it's time.
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
the prompt doesn't say director, it says filmmaker, he gets credit for the whole series and probably Indiana Jones too
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
And Stone has like what? Platoon, JFK and Snowden going for him? But yes, mostly because of Star Wars. The shit he did with that movie production-wise was so far ahead of it's time.
NBK, wrote Scarface, Wall Street, lots of other stuff. And the best Star Wars movies the ones George didn't direct.
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
Reminder that George Lucas didn't direct the best Star Wars movie. THX 1138 and American Graffiti are good, but they probably don't hit for as many people. Oliver Stone has had as many clunkers if not more than Lucas though. Really, I can't say you can consider any movies he has made since 1991 (JFK and The Doors) as potential classics despite him directing eleven movies since those. Honestly, I wouldn't expect either to go far.
For my own info, are we judging solely on these people as directors or for their entire contribution to cinema? If it's for entire contribution, you add in Scarface and Conan The Barbarian which might nudge the dial for someone.
Honest question... has George Lucas done anything (directing-wise) of any substance besides Star Wars? Is that alone getting him these votes or is it a distaste for Oliver Stone films?
Reminder that George Lucas didn't direct the best Star Wars movie. THX 1138 and American Graffiti are good, but they probably don't hit for as many people. Oliver Stone has had as many clunkers if not more than Lucas though. Really, I can't say you can consider any movies he has made since 1991 (JFK and The Doors) as potential classics despite him directing eleven movies since those. Honestly, I wouldn't expect either to go far.
For my own info, are we judging solely on these people as directors or for their entire contribution to cinema? If it's for entire contribution, you add in Scarface and Conan The Barbarian which might nudge the dial for someone.
Yeah I think its fair to consider all contributions to filmmaking but there's probably an emphasis placed on directing since the director has so much say in what the final product looks like.
Post by Dale Cooper on Aug 5, 2021 16:14:57 GMT -5
Just realized there's no Cronenberg on this. Danny Boyle is the big one missing though. Trainspotting alone is better than anything half these directors have made. lol. That said, I assume he wouldn't make it past the sweet 16 so it is what it is.
I'll go ahead and close out first rd voting by tomorrow, so last call for any votes. Right now, the closest matchups are:
#8 Mel Brooks (4) vs #9 John Carpenter (7) #7 Clint Eastwood (5) vs #10 Ron Howard (6) #6 David Lynch (5) vs #11 Richard Linklater (6) #5 Woody Allen (5) vs #12 Mel Gibson (6) #7 Sam Mendes (5) vs #10 Guy Ritchie (6) #8 Zach Snyder (4) vs #9 Greta Gerwig (7)
Really surprised Aronofsky vs Paul Thomas Anderson isn't a lot closer. Definitely the hardest one for me.
Requiem and Fountain are fire. Requiem is an all-timer for me. Pi is pretty good. I thought Black Swan and the Wrestler were overrated, but I only saw each once I think.
really didn't feel like voting in this but whatever.
East: #1 Steven Spielberg #8 Mel Brooks #2 Francis Ford Coppola #10 Ron Howard #14 Ang Lee #6 David Lynch #4 Spike Lee #5 Woody Allen (still loling at this matchup)
West: #1 Alfred Hitchcok #9 Paul Thomas Anderson (of course, the real correct choice in this matchup would be Satoshi Kon) #2 Coen Brothers #7 Sam Mendes vs #10 Guy Ritchie Abstain, I've only ever seen their movies on cable #3 Frank Capra #6 Peter Jackson #13 Robert Eggers #12 Rob Reiner
North: #1 Martin Scorsese (RIP the one guy who made a great and shockingly accurate movie about the one field I know more than anything about academically) #9 Charlie Kaufman #2 Stanley Kubrick #7 John Hughes #3 Kathryn Bigelow #6 David Fincher (I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm trying to delete it) #4 Wes Anderson vs #13 Jane Campion Abstain #5 Steven Soderbergh
South: #16 Barry Jenkins (RIP jackie brown) #9 Greta Gerwig #15 Ari Aster (of course, the real correct choice in this matchup would somehow also be Satoshi Kon) #7 Sofia Coppola #14 Jordon Peele #11 Orson Wells #4 Guillermo del Toro #12 George Lucas