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They are not and never will be a headliner at Coachella. I don't care how many tickets they move or what line they were on last time. 5m monthly Spotify listens, compared to 20m for Swedish House Mafia.
Kygo has 28m monthly listeners and has sold way more tickets than Odesza in the past 3 years, in more diverse venues, is Kygo a Coachella headliner? Because Kygo's case is a lot better by the numbers.
I think you have to think of Odesza as almost like a Grateful Dead or Phish type act but for live electronic. Not in the jammy nature obviously, but in the sense that they're so overwhelmingly in demand as a live act moreso than as a recorded one. Kygo ain't selling out one night at Shoreline, much less two to three. Neither is Swedish House Mafia.
They are not and never will be a headliner at Coachella. I don't care how many tickets they move or what line they were on last time. 5m monthly Spotify listens, compared to 20m for Swedish House Mafia.
Kygo has 28m monthly listeners and has sold way more tickets than Odesza in the past 3 years, in more diverse venues, is Kygo a Coachella headliner? Because Kygo's case is a lot better by the numbers.
I feel like Lana wouldn't accept the sub placement anymore. Since she's dropped two albums since then, I feel like she'd demand headliner or bust I thought Marina's album did well last year? I could see her at the end of the 2nd again, and Rex is playing pretty large venues on his tour, still 2nd but towards the back maybe? I'm banking on PDM coming back next year and getting a prime Sahara placement. From 2020 I really want FKA Twigs, Charli XCX, Hatsune Miku back
Lana's dropped two albums since but they're her worst performing (I believe they're her only albums that haven't had at least one song with 100m listens on spotify; Blue Bannisters doesn't have anything over 55m). No chance she's a headliner now IMO.
Those are her two most recent albums and it takes time to accumulate total listens. Multiple songs from Lust for Life (2017) have over +200m listens and that album wasn't received as well by most than her past three. Songs from NFR (2019) have over +100m. Her new albums' songs will eventually get there and I'm not sure that's the best gauge to go by for headliner status anyway. It's not like she lost popularity.
They are not and never will be a headliner at Coachella. I don't care how many tickets they move or what line they were on last time. 5m monthly Spotify listens, compared to 20m for Swedish House Mafia.
Kygo has 28m monthly listeners and has sold way more tickets than Odesza in the past 3 years, in more diverse venues, is Kygo a Coachella headliner? Because Kygo's case is a lot better by the numbers.
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I'll bet you a Frozen Lemonade that if Odesza ever pops up on the lineup as an official act (so not Do Lab or w/e they did this year), they will headline.
Lana's dropped two albums since but they're her worst performing (I believe they're her only albums that haven't had at least one song with 100m listens on spotify; Blue Bannisters doesn't have anything over 55m). No chance she's a headliner now IMO.
Those are her two most recent albums and it takes time to accumulate total listens. Multiple songs from Lust for Life (2017) have over +200m listens and that album wasn't received as well by most than her past three. Songs from NFR (2019) have over +100m. Her new albums' songs will eventually get there and I'm not sure that's the best gauge to go by for headliner status anyway. It's not like she lost popularity.
I agree that to a degree, we have to wait and see, and whatever tour dates she books will be more meaningful than spotify plays. But Chemtrails is over a year old now. NFR had multiple 100m+ songs by the time the 2020 poster came out, in less than a year's time. I do think she's lost popularity.
They are not and never will be a headliner at Coachella. I don't care how many tickets they move or what line they were on last time. 5m monthly Spotify listens, compared to 20m for Swedish House Mafia.
Kygo has 28m monthly listeners and has sold way more tickets than Odesza in the past 3 years, in more diverse venues, is Kygo a Coachella headliner? Because Kygo's case is a lot better by the numbers.
I think you have to think of Odesza as almost like a Grateful Dead or Phish type act but for live electronic. Not in the jammy nature obviously, but in the sense that they're so overwhelmingly in demand as a live act moreso than as a recorded one. Kygo ain't selling out one night at Shoreline, much less two to three. Neither is Swedish House Mafia.
Hmm, well that would make sense in that all three of those acts are stuff I've tried (and failed) to get into. There are a lot of electronic groups that have popularity in various scenes/places, at his peak didn't Bassnectar sell out MSG? Would Bassnectar be a headliner? I just don't see an EDM headliner that doesn't have hit songs.
And Kygo sold out Banc of California which is about the same capacity as Shoreline. He also headlined Ultra. He is in demand as a live performer in far more places than Odesza, who are big in the Northwest and California and moderate elsewhere. Not that I'm pitching Kygo for god's sake.
Post by Fozzie Bear on Apr 27, 2022 13:23:37 GMT -5
ODESZA is definitely a headliner if they return. Very few, if any, electronic artists command the live demand mentioned previously. And them headlining would fit the classic Coachella narrative of moving up the ranks: Do LaB, tent, preheadline Main as one of the most talked about sets of the fest that year.
They are not and never will be a headliner at Coachella. I don't care how many tickets they move or what line they were on last time. 5m monthly Spotify listens, compared to 20m for Swedish House Mafia.
Kygo has 28m monthly listeners and has sold way more tickets than Odesza in the past 3 years, in more diverse venues, is Kygo a Coachella headliner? Because Kygo's case is a lot better by the numbers.
Say My Name
I'll bet you a Frozen Lemonade that if Odesza ever pops up on the lineup as an official act (so not Do Lab or w/e they did this year), they will headline.
Done, that FroLem is mine! Maybe they get a special placement on the poster, because obviously GV really likes them, but not one of the 3 headliners.
I think you have to think of Odesza as almost like a Grateful Dead or Phish type act but for live electronic. Not in the jammy nature obviously, but in the sense that they're so overwhelmingly in demand as a live act moreso than as a recorded one. Kygo ain't selling out one night at Shoreline, much less two to three. Neither is Swedish House Mafia.
Hmm, well that would make sense in that all three of those acts are stuff I've tried (and failed) to get into. There are a lot of electronic groups that have popularity in various scenes/places, at his peak didn't Bassnectar sell out MSG? Would Bassnectar be a headliner? I just don't see an EDM headliner that doesn't have hit songs.
And Kygo sold out Banc of California which is about the same capacity as Shoreline. He also headlined Ultra. He is in demand as a live performer in far more places than Odesza, who are big in the Northwest and California and moderate elsewhere. Not that I'm pitching Kygo for god's sake.
If they really do end up having three shows at Shoreline, that'd be pretty damn impressive. In terms of regional Coachella attendance, SF Bay Area would be an easy #2 behind LA. I live here and there were definitely years where I knew 50+ people going to Coachella.
Acts from Latin America and Asia are also wayyyyyy more popular in California than anywhere else largely due to demographics. In the same way that Billy Strings is a great festival booking for Roo but nobody would give a damn at Coachella - regional differences. Coachella definitely caters to West Coast trends.
That being said I think ODESZA is boring as fuck live and even worse on record and I would rather not see them there and if they are there I hope they wouldn't be a headliner - I just can see the logic. Still think the best route for Paul is to SHM them and book a different third headliner.
I think you have to think of Odesza as almost like a Grateful Dead or Phish type act but for live electronic. Not in the jammy nature obviously, but in the sense that they're so overwhelmingly in demand as a live act moreso than as a recorded one. Kygo ain't selling out one night at Shoreline, much less two to three. Neither is Swedish House Mafia.
Hmm, well that would make sense in that all three of those acts are stuff I've tried (and failed) to get into. There are a lot of electronic groups that have popularity in various scenes/places, at his peak didn't Bassnectar sell out MSG? Would Bassnectar be a headliner? I just don't see an EDM headliner that doesn't have hit songs.
And Kygo sold out Banc of California which is about the same capacity as Shoreline. He also headlined Ultra. He is in demand as a live performer in far more places than Odesza, who are big in the Northwest and California and moderate elsewhere. Not that I'm pitching Kygo for god's sake.
That's fair re: Banc of California, though I'm guessing only one night, not two. MSG is "technically" 21k capacity but someone here pointed out back in like 2020 that for concerts it's closer to 12-15k. If Odesza had only done the one night at Shoreline, I'd be much more on the fence about them as a headliner; two nights gets them there to me though.
insane that i just threw Odesza as top 3 out there for the hell of it and now theyre looking like a legitimate potential. i wasn’t expecting their amphitheater tour to sell this well at all
Hmm, well that would make sense in that all three of those acts are stuff I've tried (and failed) to get into. There are a lot of electronic groups that have popularity in various scenes/places, at his peak didn't Bassnectar sell out MSG? Would Bassnectar be a headliner? I just don't see an EDM headliner that doesn't have hit songs.
And Kygo sold out Banc of California which is about the same capacity as Shoreline. He also headlined Ultra. He is in demand as a live performer in far more places than Odesza, who are big in the Northwest and California and moderate elsewhere. Not that I'm pitching Kygo for god's sake.
If they really do end up having three shows at Shoreline, that'd be pretty damn impressive. In terms of regional Coachella attendance, SF Bay Area would be an easy #2 behind LA. I live here and there were definitely years where I knew 50+ people going to Coachella.
Acts from Latin America and Asia are also wayyyyyy more popular in California than anywhere else largely due to demographics. In the same way that Billy Strings is a great festival booking for Roo but nobody would give a damn at Coachella - regional differences. Coachella definitely caters to West Coast trends.
That being said I think ODESZA is boring as fuck live and even worse on record and I would rather not see them there and if they are there I hope they wouldn't be a headliner - I just can see the logic. Still think the best route for Paul is to SHM them and book a different third headliner.
I'm not disputing their popularity, or that Coachella caters to their regional audience, and the overlap is perfect. They drew a massive crowd when they played last time. I just don't see how it's a headliner type show as it's not a performance anyone would remember, there's no star power, there's no songs, there's no unification of the various Coachella tribes in one place... it's just a popular and inoffensive EDM group with no songs, no charisma, and no stars.
Idk why ppl care about headliners I only saw 30 minutes of Harry and that was it
I don't actually care in terms of my own Coachella experience... I just really find Odesza boring and it's like my hobby horse on these boards to slag them off whenever they are brought up as a headliner.
In the past 10 years I've definitely seen my share of headliners, they don't draw me into the festival per se but I'd like them to be grand, special, unique, even if they aren't the reason I'm there.
I thought ODESZA was super boring when he subbed for Eminem. Has something drastically changed about his live show between then and now? I just don't see why it would be a super hot ticket. EDM is the genre I'm least in tune with these days so it's just probably something I don't understand.
I thought ODESZA was super boring when he subbed for Eminem. Has something drastically changed about his live show between then and now? I just don't see why it would be a super hot ticket. EDM is the genre I'm least in tune with these days so it's just probably something I don't understand.
I thought ODESZA was super boring when he subbed for Eminem. Has something drastically changed about his live show between then and now? I just don't see why it would be a super hot ticket. EDM is the genre I'm least in tune with these days so it's just probably something I don't understand.
They are boring as shit but somehow to many people they aren't. I cannot comprehend their popularity. The Coachella show was such a snoozefest and my wife and I couldn't take more than half of the set and went and just got drunk before Em - we were sure this would be the common opinion but half of Reddit listed that as not only their favorite show of the year, but one of their favorite shows in several years. And I generally do not think the Coachella Reddit has anywhere near as bad taste as many people here seem to think they do.
Idk why ppl care about headliners I only saw 30 minutes of Harry and that was it
People (generally) care because headliners make up a big portion of where your ticket money goes, and if there's a headliner you care about, you can get closer at a festival than you could for a solo show in most cases. I care mostly because of the kind of crowds that come based on who the headliners are. But yeah, I'm not actually turned off if the headliners are all people I don't care about seeing; some of my favorite shows are the ones happening while most of the crowd is at a headliner.
I also think people care about headliners because they are the easiest to discuss from far out, often leak, and are like 90% of the lineup rumor discussions on any platform. If its three shitty headliners being thrown around and leaked, thats a huge bummer because you don't yet know all the amazing stuff on the undercard that will be closing out the night. You judge the lineup itself on like 180 acts but its rare to get more than 10-12 real confirmations until a month before the fest, so headliner rumors definitely skew your interpretation of how much you'll like the lineup.
I thought ODESZA was super boring when he subbed for Eminem. Has something drastically changed about his live show between then and now? I just don't see why it would be a super hot ticket. EDM is the genre I'm least in tune with these days so it's just probably something I don't understand.
They are boring as shit but somehow to many people they aren't. I cannot comprehend their popularity. The Coachella show was such a snoozefest and my wife and I couldn't take more than half of the set and went and just got drunk before Em - we were sure this would be the common opinion but half of Reddit listed that as not only their favorite show of the year, but one of their favorite shows in several years. And I generally do not think the Coachella Reddit has anywhere near as bad taste as many people here seem to think they do.
I'll raise my hand and admit that I've always loved Odesza live, though the allure has worn off as time went on and I have no interest in going to Shoreline to see them. Walking into their 2015 Gobi set (or at least as close as I could get; that was way overflowing) for the last couple of songs where they brought out the USC Marching Band just felt like a different kind of electronic than I'd experienced before, and having an entire drumline for the shows I've seen since just created an energy that wasn't often matched. Before I saw that, my understanding of live electronic was always guys turning nobs that didn't seem to do much; Odesza (and Disclosure before them) was something new.
Now, lots of electronic acts bring those kinds of live instrumentation; Major Lazer brought out the USC Marching Band for their main stage performance, Disclosure had a drumline and a horn line for their show this year. It's not as unique, a lot of live electronic now incorporates instrumentation, and the admittedly fairly generic music Odesza makes has become boring by comparison. I wouldn't say I'm aching for them to headline, but I do understand the appeal.
insane that i just threw Odesza as top 3 out there for the hell of it and now theyre looking like a legitimate potential. i wasn’t expecting their amphitheater tour to sell this well at all
Their incredible amp performance makes me even more bullish for headlining. Amps historically host the same acts year-in, year-out, and the Live Nation $25 deals are basically created to sell out the amp seats and the lawns. In general, amps rarely if ever sell out. The fact ODESZA has managed to do this in basically every market AND with minimal tickets for resale relative to the venue size (just look at how few verified resale tickets are up on the maps) speaks to their universal, mammoth appeal.
tl;dr ODESZA would likely have one of the biggest Coachella crowds of all time and absolutely fit as a headliner.
I mean their 2018 crowd was pretty huge. By all accounts Flume's crowd was enormous this year and if you believe the scrubbed data posted on Reddit, he was the #1 act on Saturday in the app, and he doesn't have big mainstream hits either. The ODESZA/Flume/Porter/Rufus contingent is going to wayyyyyy outperform at Coachella despite having little mainstream recognition.
Biggest crowd ever is a huge stretch but I definitely think they would outdraw all three of 2019's headliners...none of them had a huge crowd, even Ari. And, hot take, I think there is a huge chance they'd outdraw both RATM and Frank.
AEG/Goldenvoice have also been in bed with Odesza for quite some time. They could easily end up at the bottom of the poster as some type of special set.
Final thought on ODESZA - like Kendrick, maybe new album is just too far before Coach. The "No LA date" is certainly suspicious, I get that. But the album comes out in July, their tour wraps up by October 1st and they would have played just about every other major NA market by then. A lot of the country would have already had a chance to see the tour. That isn't a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination, certainly Billie and Harry's tours were well underway during Coach (although they were last minute replacements), but makes me wonder if, like Dua Lipa, we are letting recency bias affect our thoughts that they are a top pick for a headliner.
For all we know GV is sitting on news that (purely hypothetical) Bad Bunny, Frank, and Taylor will have new albums released much closer to the fest cycle and they'd get "the first show" and would rather go for something like that.
Maybe they get a special placement on the poster, because obviously GV really likes them, but not one of the 3 headliners. 
