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I'd like to go back next year, but not with those lodging prices. I know it's totally out of GV control, but the hotels are price gouging at this point. I hope it backfires on them and they cant fill all those rooms.
I think a lot of hotels just haven't released many/any rooms yet and thus prices haven't normalized.
No way the Westin, Kimpton, Ritz, Hyatt, JW Marriott etc. are all sold out for next year.
But agree with your central premise.
Just spoke to the desk people at the hilton garden and they said their rooms arent avail yet for next year at all. It just says sold out for now. She said try in a few months but i know its usually 2 or 3 weeks from now. So everyone keep an eye out! 👀
I tried to book the Hilton Garden Inn again today for Weekend 2 next year and the rates were $685 a night. Just gonna do presale and get a camping pass.
seeing a lot of guitar bands with sizable crowds encourages me that we could see more of it on future lineups.
Regardless of crowd sizes, the current state of music still doesn’t favor too many rock bands getting booked more often at Coachella. Maybe just a handful of artists but they’re still aren’t many “new” rock acts out there with sizable hype following them. Even then, artists like Phoebe didn’t draw a big crowd.
I do think though that older legacy artists could be back on the table as headliners or lower. Recent streaming data shows that older music is still pretty strong across almost all generations. Even older artists outside of classic rock are beloved among several generations. People lost their minds when Shania Twain came out for Harry and honestly, if someone like Shania herself was booked (maybe not headliner) it would probably draw a pretty big crowd.
seeing a lot of guitar bands with sizable crowds encourages me that we could see more of it on future lineups.
Regardless of crowd sizes, the current state of music still doesn’t favor too many rock bands getting booked more often at Coachella. Maybe just a handful of artists but they’re still aren’t many “new” rock acts out there with sizable hype following them. Even then, artists like Phoebe didn’t draw a big crowd.
I do think though that older legacy artists could be back on the table as headliners or lower. Recent streaming data shows that older music is still pretty strong across almost all generations. Even older artists outside of classic rock are beloved among several generations. People lost their minds when Shania Twain came out for Harry and honestly, if someone like Shania herself was booked (maybe not headliner) it would probably draw a pretty big crowd.
seeing a lot of guitar bands with sizable crowds encourages me that we could see more of it on future lineups.
Regardless of crowd sizes, the current state of music still doesn’t favor too many rock bands getting booked more often at Coachella. Maybe just a handful of artists but they’re still aren’t many “new” rock acts out there with sizable hype following them. Even then, artists like Phoebe didn’t draw a big crowd.
I do think though that older legacy artists could be back on the table as headliners or lower. Recent streaming data shows that older music is still pretty strong across almost all generations. Even older artists outside of classic rock are beloved among several generations. People lost their minds when Shania Twain came out for Harry and honestly, if someone like Shania herself was booked (maybe not headliner) it would probably draw a pretty big crowd.
Agreed, though I do think there's a sizable crop of specifically female-led rock or rock-adjacent acts that are starting to become more popular (JBrekky, Phoebe, Rina Sawayama, Soccer Mommy, Snail Mail, etc). Part of me can't help but wonder if sexism is keeping them from becoming bigger - I think there's an ingrained, unconscious expectation that rock is a man's world and I wonder if some of the same music would be more popular if released by male artists - but I expect they'll grow over time.
Either way, to reiterate, I agree; there are really not many rock artists from the last 15-20 years that are headline eligible and it's going to take a more sizable shift in the culture to get there.
I mean, contrarian take - and admittedly from just looking at the streams and so I may be off on crowd sizes due to camera angles - I think the bigger rock and indie bands did fine this year. Both Girl in Red and Japanese Breakfast clearly packed the Mojave to the gills, IDLES looked like they filled the Mojave halfway which is honestly pretty impressive given that it is the old Sahara, Wallows had a big crowd, Maneskin had a big crowd. And all this with no big "real" rock band on the headliner or second lines.
Then the smaller indie acts like The Marias, beabadoobee, Orville Peck, The Regrettes all filled the Gobi up.
No idea about the Sonora - wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was struggling as it has been.
There's no question that somebody Glass Animals would have an absolutely enormous crowd on the main stage if they were booked right now.
Skeggs had a good sized crowd in the Sonora yesterday and were great, Molchat Doma was fun as well but a little bit of a thinner crowd, not sure about how many of the other shows were though
There are probably a dozen potential rock headliners but they're almost all legacy acts, hard to think of an up-and-coming rock band that would fit the bill for 23 or 24.
“The current state of music doesn’t favor rock bands.” What a load of shit.
Tool’s selling out every arena they play. RHCP are exclusively playing stadiums on their upcoming tour. Arcade Fire just dominated Coachella with their surprise set.
Who cares if rock bands aren’t popular with the masses? Book them anyways. The fest’s goal is to sell out tickets at this point - it’s the only reason pop acts got let in. Now that it sells out regardless of who plays, literally anyone can play.
RATM * TOOL * Frank Ocean - 2023 Coachella Hates Rock Edition
I think framing matters a great deal for rock music at Coachella. No one wants to see arcade fire on the main stage with 5k people in the crowd. You lose energy in the open air and it feels like a sad sight to see. But you put that same rock band in the Mojave tent, with the same crowd size of 5k, and all the sudden you got a packed/rocking crowd that becomes infectious and people walking by want a piece of the action.
Thus, the arcade fire experiment was a massive success imo and could be the framework for golden voice to bring in legacy rock/indie acts back to Coachella. Think Depeche Mode, LCD, Morrissey, Muse, NIN, SOAD, black keys, etc would all do great in that spot
Kendrick * RATM * Taylor Swift would be a huge win for Coachella across genres and fanbases and honestly sounds somewhat plausible.
Like I said so would Frank Ocean but I think counting on him to play anything is always risky and I really wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out.
Sorry! Taylor Swift won’t be a Coachella headliner because she’s so disappointed at the moment. She’s a country star, not a pop star and she can headline Stagecoach instead of Coachella.
Kendrick * RATM * Taylor Swift would be a huge win for Coachella across genres and fanbases and honestly sounds somewhat plausible.
Like I said so would Frank Ocean but I think counting on him to play anything is always risky and I really wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out.
Sorry! Taylor Swift won’t be a Coachella headliner because she’s so disappointed at the moment. She’s a country star, not a pop star and she can headline Stagecoach instead of Coachella.
What do you mean by she’s so disappointed at the moment?
seeing a lot of guitar bands with sizable crowds encourages me that we could see more of it on future lineups.
Regardless of crowd sizes, the current state of music still doesn’t favor too many rock bands getting booked more often at Coachella. Maybe just a handful of artists but they’re still aren’t many “new” rock acts out there with sizable hype following them. Even then, artists like Phoebe didn’t draw a big crowd.
I do think though that older legacy artists could be back on the table as headliners or lower. Recent streaming data shows that older music is still pretty strong across almost all generations. Even older artists outside of classic rock are beloved among several generations. People lost their minds when Shania Twain came out for Harry and honestly, if someone like Shania herself was booked (maybe not headliner) it would probably draw a pretty big crowd.
I think they could get The Chicks and have them sub Taylor along with headlining Stagecoach. Why would they turn down that kind of chance and the bag along with it. Theres a strong contingent of legacy ish pop acts who could take a spot in the first line however you wanted to book em. Mary J Blige, Xtina, Shania, Gwen Stefani even P!nk. I mean the rare get would be Kylie Minogue and certainly would have a large crowd plus a great production. Give her 75 mins and it can work.
“The current state of music doesn’t favor rock bands.” What a load of shit.
Tool’s selling out every arena they play. RHCP are exclusively playing stadiums on their upcoming tour. Arcade Fire just dominated Coachella with their surprise set.
Who cares if rock bands aren’t popular with the masses? Book them anyways. The fest’s goal is to sell out tickets at this point - it’s the only reason pop acts got let in. Now that it sells out regardless of who plays, literally anyone can play.
RATM * TOOL * Frank Ocean - 2023 Coachella Hates Rock Edition
There are people that can legally drink at Coachella that weren't alive when Lateralus and Californication dropped.
Coachella has no problem with legacy rock acts - they were all set for RATM for three years.
But they also have to structure a lineup that appeals to 25 year olds.
What rock bands that are peaking *right now* can they put on the second lines that they are slacking on? There just aren't that many and they do clearly try to get them - Tame, Portugal the Man, I am sure Glass Animals will get a sub push with the next one.
If you watched the streams of Denzel Curry, Vince Staples, slowthai, etc you'll see where the kids who would have been rock fans in the 1990s and 2000s are.
“The current state of music doesn’t favor rock bands.” What a load of shit.
Tool’s selling out every arena they play. RHCP are exclusively playing stadiums on their upcoming tour. Arcade Fire just dominated Coachella with their surprise set.
Who cares if rock bands aren’t popular with the masses? Book them anyways. The fest’s goal is to sell out tickets at this point - it’s the only reason pop acts got let in. Now that it sells out regardless of who plays, literally anyone can play.
RATM * TOOL * Frank Ocean - 2023 Coachella Hates Rock Edition
There are people that can legally drink at Coachella that weren't alive when Lateralus and Californication dropped.
Coachella has no problem with legacy rock acts - they were all set for RATM for three years.
But they also have to structure a lineup that appeals to 25 year olds.
What rock bands that are peaking *right now* can they put on the second lines that they are slacking on? There just aren't that many and they do clearly try to get them - Tame, Portugal the Man, I am sure Glass Animals will get a sub push with the next one.
If you watched the streams of Denzel Curry, Vince Staples, slowthai, etc you'll see where the kids who would have been rock fans in the 1990s and 2000s are.
This makes zero sense for a festival that had Guns N’ Roses as a headliner in 2016. I wasn’t alive when they peaked, but they still played Coachella.
None of these arguments make sense. A music festival books music. You can have anyone play and the fest will sell out. Doesn’t matter if Tame Impala was “the last big rock band.” There are still big headliner rock bands that exist and can headline festivals.
The only reason Arcade Fire would be a 5k draw in 2022 is if they weren’t on the line up. How do you expect fans to buy passes to see them if they are unannounced? I don’t doubt they would have had a smaller headliner crowd, but to say only 5k people are gonna see Arcade Fire if they’re headlining is a joke. There’s no way bands like Depeche Mode are gonna play a tent announced when they play to tens of thousands of people at music festivals around the world.
There are people that can legally drink at Coachella that weren't alive when Lateralus and Californication dropped.
Coachella has no problem with legacy rock acts - they were all set for RATM for three years.
But they also have to structure a lineup that appeals to 25 year olds.
What rock bands that are peaking *right now* can they put on the second lines that they are slacking on? There just aren't that many and they do clearly try to get them - Tame, Portugal the Man, I am sure Glass Animals will get a sub push with the next one.
If you watched the streams of Denzel Curry, Vince Staples, slowthai, etc you'll see where the kids who would have been rock fans in the 1990s and 2000s are.
This makes zero sense for a festival that had Guns N’ Roses as a headliner in 2016. I wasn’t alive when they peaked, but they still played Coachella.
None of these arguments make sense. A music festival books music. You can have anyone play and the fest will sell out. Doesn’t matter if Tame Impala was “the last big rock band.” There are still big headliner rock bands that exist and can headline festivals.
The only reason Arcade Fire would be a 5k draw in 2022 is if they weren’t on the line up. How do you expect fans to buy passes to see them if they are unannounced? I don’t doubt they would have had a smaller headliner crowd, but to say only 5k people are gonna see Arcade Fire if they’re headlining is a joke. There’s no way bands like Depeche Mode are gonna play a tent announced when they play to tens of thousands of people at music festivals around the world.
But I acknowledged that Coachella books legacy rock bands for headliners. And they should keep doing that and probably will and that was one of their target headliners for this year. But you said that the statement that said "the current state of music doesn't favor rock bands" was "shit". And then only mentioned legacy bands. Which I think is the point - there are legacy rock bands that can headline, there are acts like IDLES and Turnstile that they can throw in tents that draw hype, but there are very, very few current rock bands that can headline or sub. And that's why I think people say that the current state of music doesn't favor rock bands - because it doesn't really. It's a niche genre and Coachella will keep booking legacy rock bands but at least right now, their top lines are not going to skew heavily rock if there are virtually no current second liners to draw from that are rock.
There are people that can legally drink at Coachella that weren't alive when Lateralus and Californication dropped.
Coachella has no problem with legacy rock acts - they were all set for RATM for three years.
But they also have to structure a lineup that appeals to 25 year olds.
What rock bands that are peaking *right now* can they put on the second lines that they are slacking on? There just aren't that many and they do clearly try to get them - Tame, Portugal the Man, I am sure Glass Animals will get a sub push with the next one.
If you watched the streams of Denzel Curry, Vince Staples, slowthai, etc you'll see where the kids who would have been rock fans in the 1990s and 2000s are.
This makes zero sense for a festival that had Guns N’ Roses as a headliner in 2016. I wasn’t alive when they peaked, but they still played Coachella.
None of these arguments make sense. A music festival books music. You can have anyone play and the fest will sell out. Doesn’t matter if Tame Impala was “the last big rock band.” There are still big headliner rock bands that exist and can headline festivals.
The only reason Arcade Fire would be a 5k draw in 2022 is if they weren’t on the line up. How do you expect fans to buy passes to see them if they are unannounced? I don’t doubt they would have had a smaller headliner crowd, but to say only 5k people are gonna see Arcade Fire if they’re headlining is a joke. There’s no way bands like Depeche Mode are gonna play a tent announced when they play to tens of thousands of people at music festivals around the world.
Sure, they might be a bigger draw at other music festivals but are they going to get the same bump and marketing at those fests as opposed to Coachella? Look at the free marketing arcade fire got for being on the lineup. Their set was live streamed to millions around the globe and they played in a jam packed tent. Don’t think arcade fire minded at all that they were in the tent. Seemed like win butler was having the time of his life
“The current state of music doesn’t favor rock bands.” What a load of shit.
Tool’s selling out every arena they play. RHCP are exclusively playing stadiums on their upcoming tour. Arcade Fire just dominated Coachella with their surprise set.
Who cares if rock bands aren’t popular with the masses? Book them anyways. The fest’s goal is to sell out tickets at this point - it’s the only reason pop acts got let in. Now that it sells out regardless of who plays, literally anyone can play.
RATM * TOOL * Frank Ocean - 2023 Coachella Hates Rock Edition
You’re just missing the differentiation of new vs legacy rock acts. Nobody denies there are old bands that could headline; nobody’s making that argument. We’re just saying that new rock acts from the last 10-15 years aren’t getting to headliner status (and rarely even reach second line popularity) because the genre simply isn’t as popular with people under 35.
This makes zero sense for a festival that had Guns N’ Roses as a headliner in 2016. I wasn’t alive when they peaked, but they still played Coachella.
None of these arguments make sense. A music festival books music. You can have anyone play and the fest will sell out. Doesn’t matter if Tame Impala was “the last big rock band.” There are still big headliner rock bands that exist and can headline festivals.
The only reason Arcade Fire would be a 5k draw in 2022 is if they weren’t on the line up. How do you expect fans to buy passes to see them if they are unannounced? I don’t doubt they would have had a smaller headliner crowd, but to say only 5k people are gonna see Arcade Fire if they’re headlining is a joke. There’s no way bands like Depeche Mode are gonna play a tent announced when they play to tens of thousands of people at music festivals around the world.
But I acknowledged that Coachella books legacy rock bands for headliners. And they should keep doing that and probably will and that was one of their target headliners for this year. But you said that the statement that said "the current state of music doesn't favor rock bands" was "shit". And then only mentioned legacy bands. Which I think is the point - there are legacy rock bands that can headline, there are acts like IDLES and Turnstile that they can throw in tents that draw hype, but there are very, very few current rock bands that can headline or sub. And that's why I think people say that the current state of music doesn't favor rock bands - because it doesn't really. It's a niche genre and Coachella will keep booking legacy rock bands but at least right now, their top lines are not going to skew heavily rock if there are virtually no current second liners to draw from that are rock.
Fair enough! I think the current state of music benefits legacy rock acts. But yeah, virtually no support for new rock acts to make that jump to headliner now-days.
"Legacy acts" and 90s-00s era bands would be the best 2nd line to sub/headliner rock bands to book imo. Only modern headliner rock act is Tame who was booked 2019. After that you have a couple 2nd liners, but mostly 3rd liners with even the more popular modern rock acts. I feel like EDM is in a similar situation right now. Generally speaking, there's a lot of "Huge acts Coachella missed in their primes, but still have a massive fanbase who would adore them" potential headliners out there. Otherwise, we're going to have a few years run worth of mostly modern Pop headliners (which is fine with me personally). Without getting into repeat headliners, the best choices are modern Pop or throwback acts they missed.
There's plenty of room for rock bands to make the jump to headliner!!!! unfortunately though the next one is probably going to be glass animals
If any younger “rock” act is going to headline soon, it’ll probably be Olivia Rodrigo which says even more about the state of rock.
The past few years have shown that rock didn’t really die out, it just got co-opted by pop while more “pure” rock acts fell by the wayside. MGK made a switch to pop punk with massive success, Olivia has pop punk all over her album and Harry is basically channeling Elton John at this point.
There's plenty of room for rock bands to make the jump to headliner!!!! unfortunately though the next one is probably going to be glass animals
i still find it really odd that theyre billed below Weezer at boston calling and in the same spot as Haim and King Gizz, theyre on a completely different level popularity wise
