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and the schedule is bending over backwards to accommodate that small risk. Feels wrong to me.
I don't think having the Main silent for an extra 10 minutes so the rarest act Coachella has ever booked doesn't have sound bleed is bending over backwards. But if I'm alone here, we can have Kali Uchis start 10 minutes earlier.
I remember last year, even at the front for Disclosure, during some of the quieter moments (and there were only a few) hearing 88rising over on the Main. If that happens for Jai Paul, that's going to be absolutely brutal.
It feels like every year there are fewer acts on a day than the prior year and everybody thinks there will be adds and there aren’t any. I feel like Friday of 2015 didn’t even have 50 bands or something and all that happened is that a bunch of stages closed early.
The last few years we get a slew of small stage openers added once the set times drop. I assume this year will be no different, except that the subs will also get longer set times.
So Reddit is firmly under the belief that Prydz is playing the Sahara. We gotta put him in there for now I think, considering how one-sided this poll is. But hey, this allows us to put Yung Lean in the Mojave, so at least a couple of you will be happy now lol
I mean, and feel free to call me crazy, but who do we trust more, the DJ himself who liked a post saying his show should be out of the Sahara and on the Outdoor, or the Coachella sub which is currently being flooded by blinks and people posting lineups with highlighter scribble all over it?
I mean, and feel free to call me crazy, but who do we trust more, the DJ himself who liked a post saying his show should be out of the Sahara and on the Outdoor, or the Coachella sub which is currently being flooded by blinks and people posting lineups with highlighter scribble all over it?
A major issue though again comes down to if his Holo can even work outside. Someone mentioned how when the indoor stage collapsed at Tomorrowland, they straight up cancelled his set, instead of moving him (one of the biggest gets on the Tomorrowland lineup for most) to one of the many outdoor stages.
Feel free to call ME crazy, but I don't think liking a tweet means much in terms of confirmations. We would never take an artist liking a set time prediction tweet in this way as pretty much anything most of the time, and I guess I'm just not sure why we should be taking that as a confirmation now, especially with a case like Holo.
But hey, if the majority of people think we should take that as a confirmation, we can change it up again. It's going to make the "Yung Lean can't play the Sahara" crowd annoyed (as I can't see a way Lean is anywhere but Sahara unless Prydz is there), but I think figuring out where Prydz is going to wind up takes priority. I know in the past people have gotten annoyed that I don't take the majorities consideration when I make these mocks, so I figured doing this was the best option, (I mean, I personally also think Outdoor is probably the most likely option, as you can see I voted for Outdoor) but if we think him liking that tweet means he is absolutely going to be Outdoor, then we can put him back there.
It feels like every year there are fewer acts on a day than the prior year and everybody thinks there will be adds and there aren’t any. I feel like Friday of 2015 didn’t even have 50 bands or something and all that happened is that a bunch of stages closed early.
The last few years we get a slew of small stage openers added once the set times drop. I assume this year will be no different, except that the subs will also get longer set times.
We'll get a slew of small stage adds, but we're still short this year. I took a look and here's how it compares:
So we're way behind the number of acts on the last couple of posters, and a bit behind the two years prior. It's wild in retrospect that they only had 151 in 2017. The only thing I really take away from this is that we should not be using 2022 set times to drive our decision making here because dropping the number of acts by 17 is hugely meaningful. Even giving Chems, Gorillaz, Bjork, and Calvin 75 minutes won't come close to making up for that.
The last few years we get a slew of small stage openers added once the set times drop. I assume this year will be no different, except that the subs will also get longer set times.
We'll get a slew of small stage adds, but we're still short this year. I took a look and here's how it compares:
So we're way behind the number of acts on the last couple of posters, and a bit behind the two years prior. It's wild in retrospect that they only had 151 in 2017. The only thing I really take away from this is that we should not be using 2022 set times to drive our decision making here because dropping the number of acts by 17 is hugely meaningful. Even giving Chems, Gorillaz, Bjork, and Calvin 75 minutes won't come close to making up for that.
True, we're short on Friday by 9 acts compared to last year, which definitely seems like a lot. I don't think it's super significant though, as with certain acts getting extended times, they're just going to need to add maybe an extra 3-4 early acts than they usually do on Friday.
I'm sympathetic to the overhead rigging = can't play Outdoor argument, but even then Mojave seems far more likely than Sahara. the layout of Sahara is just too wide, how would HOLO work when a good 50% of the crowd would have a terrible viewing angle
So we're way behind the number of acts on the last couple of posters, and a bit behind the two years prior. It's wild in retrospect that they only had 151 in 2017. The only thing I really take away from this is that we should not be using 2022 set times to drive our decision making here because dropping the number of acts by 17 is hugely meaningful. Even giving Chems, Gorillaz, Bjork, and Calvin 75 minutes won't come close to making up for that.
True, we're short on Friday by 9 acts compared to last year, which definitely seems like a lot. I don't think it's super significant though, as with certain acts getting extended times, they're just going to need to add maybe an extra 3-4 early acts than they usually do on Friday.
Did they do the extra early acts last year? Maybe they didn't and that's the difference here. But if they did add a bunch of acts when the set times came out, then doing so again that won't be enough to bring it to parity unless they add like 8 acts per day. My counts are from the poster, not from the set times.
A major issue though again comes down to if his Holo can even work outside. Someone mentioned how when the indoor stage collapsed at Tomorrowland, they straight up cancelled his set, instead of moving him (one of the biggest gets on the Tomorrowland lineup for most) to one of the many outdoor stages.
There's a lot of work and planning that goes behind large productions like that though, specific to the dimensions of the stage they're playing. I'm guessing they figured it would be better to wait and see if that stage could get repaired in time instead of redoing stage planning for another stage on such short notice. So I wouldn't take this as evidence that this production can't be done outdoors due to this extremely rare circumstance.
I don't really mind either way on where Prydz goes between the Outdoor and Sahara, just as long as it's not the Mojave.
It's wild in retrospect that they only had 151 in 2017.
Which poster did you look at - the initial drop or the second wave where they debuted the Sonora stage and added all those acts + Skepta and DRAM to the poster?
Post by TickleMeElmo on Jan 20, 2023 18:11:40 GMT -5
Also, are we 100% sure HOLO needs an overhead rig for projections? The way I understood it, this show USED to have projectors overhead to create the hologram effect but now uses multiple LED screen layers instead. The recent HOLO clips I can find online look like this, using just screens instead of a projector. So if that's the case, there's no reason why it couldn't be on the Outdoor.
and the schedule is bending over backwards to accommodate that small risk. Feels wrong to me.
I don't think having the Main silent for an extra 10 minutes so the rarest act Coachella has ever booked doesn't have sound bleed is bending over backwards. But if I'm alone here, we can have Kali Uchis start 10 minutes earlier.
I remember last year, even at the front for Disclosure, during some of the quieter moments (and there were only a few) hearing 88rising over on the Main. If that happens for Jai Paul, that's going to be absolutely brutal.
I just don't know what about Jai Paul makes us think this is more likely with his set than any other. His music isn't particularly sound bleed prone. And again, it's not so much that it couldn't happen in a vacuum, as much as it's not a vacuum -- it's cramping the other stages to lose a full slot on the Main/Outdoor.
We would never take an artist liking a set time prediction tweet in this way as pretty much anything most of the time, and I guess I'm just not sure why we should be taking that as a confirmation now, especially with a case like Holo.
...we wouldn't? we do similar things all the time? Just off the top of my head, the Kali Uchis example is really not that dissimilar. Kali just gave us more information.
the special pleading about what the tweet does or doesn't mean is so weird. We can think the tweet means something--which has been my take, given that Prydz has liked 4 tweets since the lineup dropped, and of the 58 different replies to his announcement tweet, the one saying "Outdoor? Easiest place to force perspective for HOLO. Sahara too open and wide I'd think" in response to someone specifically asking what stage he would play on is the only one he liked. Like, it's extremely weird behavior for him to like only that tweet if it means nothing! Especially since the tweet addresses where HOLO would or wouldn't work, and that's the very argument people are marshaling against the idea that it could go...exactly where the tweet says it will go.
But saying he did that on accident and therefore it doesn't mean anything is one thing. I think it's silly, but it has an internal logic. The wild thing is using the tweet to mean "Mojave," which is apparently a popular reading of the tweet around here. That just makes no sense, outside of the fact that there's an awful lot of special pleading going on w/r/t what that tweet means, because we want him to play the Mojave because we think it would be cooler and an Underworld -> Prydz run sounds sick.
at the end of the day, I'd be glad to be wrong that it means anything -- I want to see him in the Mojave. but we're being silly about contorting our predictions in that direction.
It's wild in retrospect that they only had 151 in 2017.
Which poster did you look at - the initial drop or the second wave where they debuted the Sonora stage and added all those acts + Skepta and DRAM to the poster?
I pulled this from the initial poster, I found an all text version of the initial release from some blog (stereogum/pitchfork/consequence). So that explains why 2017 was so low, and reiterates that we're way below where a typical lineup would be right now. I forgot the sonora acts were added later.
and the schedule is bending over backwards to accommodate that small risk. Feels wrong to me.
I don't think having the Main silent for an extra 10 minutes so the rarest act Coachella has ever booked doesn't have sound bleed is bending over backwards. But if I'm alone here, we can have Kali Uchis start 10 minutes earlier.
I remember last year, even at the front for Disclosure, during some of the quieter moments (and there were only a few) hearing 88rising over on the Main. If that happens for Jai Paul, that's going to be absolutely brutal.
It’s worth noting that Weeknds first US show was outdoor with a silent main, and that seems very comparable to the first ever Jai Paul live performance
I don't think having the Main silent for an extra 10 minutes so the rarest act Coachella has ever booked doesn't have sound bleed is bending over backwards. But if I'm alone here, we can have Kali Uchis start 10 minutes earlier.
I remember last year, even at the front for Disclosure, during some of the quieter moments (and there were only a few) hearing 88rising over on the Main. If that happens for Jai Paul, that's going to be absolutely brutal.
I just don't know what about Jai Paul makes us think this is more likely with his set than any other. His music isn't particularly sound bleed prone. And again, it's not so much that it couldn't happen in a vacuum, as much as it's not a vacuum -- it's cramping the other stages to lose a full slot on the Main/Outdoor.
We would never take an artist liking a set time prediction tweet in this way as pretty much anything most of the time, and I guess I'm just not sure why we should be taking that as a confirmation now, especially with a case like Holo.
...we wouldn't? we do similar things all the time? Just off the top of my head, the Kali Uchis example is really not that dissimilar. Kali just gave us more information.
the special pleading about what the tweet does or doesn't mean is so weird. We can think the tweet means something--which has been my take, given that Prydz has liked 4 tweets since the lineup dropped, and of the 58 different replies to his announcement tweet, the one saying "Outdoor? Easiest place to force perspective for HOLO. Sahara too open and wide I'd think" in response to someone specifically asking what stage he would play on is the only one he liked. Like, it's extremely weird behavior for him to like only that tweet if it means nothing! Especially since the tweet addresses where HOLO would or wouldn't work, and that's the very argument people are marshaling against the idea that it could go...exactly where the tweet says it will go.
But saying he did that on accident and therefore it doesn't mean anything is one thing. I think it's silly, but it has an internal logic. The wild thing is using the tweet to mean "Mojave," which is apparently a popular reading of the tweet around here. That just makes no sense, outside of the fact that there's an awful lot of special pleading going on w/r/t what that tweet means, because we want him to play the Mojave because we think it would be cooler and an Underworld -> Prydz run sounds sick.
at the end of the day, I'd be glad to be wrong that it means anything -- I want to see him in the Mojave. but we're being silly about contorting our predictions in that direction.
Here’s how I see it. I’m sure HOLO as a whole is expensive as hell to create and put on stage. The Sahara tent stage is substantially wider than anything I think he’s played in the past and definitely a lot bigger then the stage he’s set to play at Ultra.. I think the cost of figuring out how to build out a custom production that properly fits the Sahara and still produces the same visual effect is unlikely because it’s not as simple as just mapping some images to one video screen. I fully expect him to play a more normal size stage design in the Mojave or Outdoor. If he liked the tweet then do Outdoor until you have strong evidence that someone else is closing Outdoor. We know he’s closing a stage no matter where he lands.
Which poster did you look at - the initial drop or the second wave where they debuted the Sonora stage and added all those acts + Skepta and DRAM to the poster?
I pulled this from the initial poster, I found an all text version of the initial release from some blog (stereogum/pitchfork/consequence). So that explains why 2017 was so low, and reiterates that we're way below where a typical lineup would be right now. I forgot the sonora acts were added later.
Last note on 2017 -- there were 177 acts on the actual set times. So just to get to parity with those set times, they'll need to add 16 total acts this year.
Last year there were 192 on the actual set times. We'd need to add 31 acts to get to that number lol.
I don't think having the Main silent for an extra 10 minutes so the rarest act Coachella has ever booked doesn't have sound bleed is bending over backwards. But if I'm alone here, we can have Kali Uchis start 10 minutes earlier.
I remember last year, even at the front for Disclosure, during some of the quieter moments (and there were only a few) hearing 88rising over on the Main. If that happens for Jai Paul, that's going to be absolutely brutal.
I just don't know what about Jai Paul makes us think this is more likely with his set than any other. His music isn't particularly sound bleed prone. And again, it's not so much that it couldn't happen in a vacuum, as much as it's not a vacuum -- it's cramping the other stages to lose a full slot on the Main/Outdoor.
We would never take an artist liking a set time prediction tweet in this way as pretty much anything most of the time, and I guess I'm just not sure why we should be taking that as a confirmation now, especially with a case like Holo.
...we wouldn't? we do similar things all the time? Just off the top of my head, the Kali Uchis example is really not that dissimilar. Kali just gave us more information.
the special pleading about what the tweet does or doesn't mean is so weird. We can think the tweet means something--which has been my take, given that Prydz has liked 4 tweets since the lineup dropped, and of the 58 different replies to his announcement tweet, the one saying "Outdoor? Easiest place to force perspective for HOLO. Sahara too open and wide I'd think" in response to someone specifically asking what stage he would play on is the only one he liked. Like, it's extremely weird behavior for him to like only that tweet if it means nothing! Especially since the tweet addresses where HOLO would or wouldn't work, and that's the very argument people are marshaling against the idea that it could go...exactly where the tweet says it will go.
But saying he did that on accident and therefore it doesn't mean anything is one thing. I think it's silly, but it has an internal logic. The wild thing is using the tweet to mean "Mojave," which is apparently a popular reading of the tweet around here. That just makes no sense, outside of the fact that there's an awful lot of special pleading going on w/r/t what that tweet means, because we want him to play the Mojave because we think it would be cooler and an Underworld -> Prydz run sounds sick.
at the end of the day, I'd be glad to be wrong that it means anything -- I want to see him in the Mojave. but we're being silly about contorting our predictions in that direction.
How is the Main being closed an extra 10 minutes compared to last year losing an entire Main/Outdoor slot?
Kali Uchis actually reposted a fan account (the bigger ones of which can often be linked directly to artists/their mgmt) saying which stage she was on. Maybe I'm alone here, but I think that's a bit more solid than an artist liking a suggestion of someone asking which stage that act might play.
I just don't know what about Jai Paul makes us think this is more likely with his set than any other. His music isn't particularly sound bleed prone. And again, it's not so much that it couldn't happen in a vacuum, as much as it's not a vacuum -- it's cramping the other stages to lose a full slot on the Main/Outdoor.
...we wouldn't? we do similar things all the time? Just off the top of my head, the Kali Uchis example is really not that dissimilar. Kali just gave us more information.
the special pleading about what the tweet does or doesn't mean is so weird. We can think the tweet means something--which has been my take, given that Prydz has liked 4 tweets since the lineup dropped, and of the 58 different replies to his announcement tweet, the one saying "Outdoor? Easiest place to force perspective for HOLO. Sahara too open and wide I'd think" in response to someone specifically asking what stage he would play on is the only one he liked. Like, it's extremely weird behavior for him to like only that tweet if it means nothing! Especially since the tweet addresses where HOLO would or wouldn't work, and that's the very argument people are marshaling against the idea that it could go...exactly where the tweet says it will go.
But saying he did that on accident and therefore it doesn't mean anything is one thing. I think it's silly, but it has an internal logic. The wild thing is using the tweet to mean "Mojave," which is apparently a popular reading of the tweet around here. That just makes no sense, outside of the fact that there's an awful lot of special pleading going on w/r/t what that tweet means, because we want him to play the Mojave because we think it would be cooler and an Underworld -> Prydz run sounds sick.
at the end of the day, I'd be glad to be wrong that it means anything -- I want to see him in the Mojave. but we're being silly about contorting our predictions in that direction.
How is the Main being closed an extra 10 minutes compared to last year losing an entire Main/Outdoor slot?
Kali Uchis actually reposted a fan account (the bigger ones of which can often be linked directly to artists/their mgmt) saying which she was on. Maybe I'm alone here, but I think that's a bit more solid than an artist liking a suggestion of someone asking which stage that act might play.
I think it’s more solid too, but we also have to keep things in perspective. Remember when Ride’s website said Coachella stage and we thought that was a confirmation.
How is the Main being closed an extra 10 minutes compared to last year losing an entire Main/Outdoor slot?
Kali Uchis actually reposted a fan account (the bigger ones of which can often be linked directly to artists/their mgmt) saying which she was on. Maybe I'm alone here, but I think that's a bit more solid than an artist liking a suggestion of someone asking which stage that act might play.
I think it’s more solid too, but we also have to take things in perspective. Remember when Ride’s website said Coachella stage and we thought that was a confirmation.
Yeah, but since then we've learned not to take "Coachella Stage" as Main Stage confirmation. This is a pretty different situation.
Comparing liking a random tweet reply to a story repost seems quite a bit different, but if we want to, we can get rid of the Kali Uchis confirmation.
I think it’s more solid too, but we also have to take things in perspective. Remember when Ride’s website said Coachella stage and we thought that was a confirmation.
Yeah, but since then we've learned not to take "Coachella Stage" as Main Stage confirmation. This is a pretty different situation.
Comparing liking a random tweet reply to a story repost seems quite a bit different, but if we want to, we can get rid of the Kali Uchis confirmation.
I agree that the Kali Uchis and Prydz socials are different levels of confirmation (as did Gibson!), but I also just don't think we can put Prydz in the Sahara after that tweet. There's just too much going on in that tweet and too few likes from Prydz to ignore it entirely in favor of a reddit poll, particularly given that the Sahara really doesn't seem great for his show as far as perspective goes. I would bet the majority of the people responding to that poll have no idea about his tweet, that many of them have no idea what his show is like at all, and are just insta-voting "Prydz = Sahara" because for a non-Holo show it would be the obvious spot.
I pulled this from the initial poster, I found an all text version of the initial release from some blog (stereogum/pitchfork/consequence). So that explains why 2017 was so low, and reiterates that we're way below where a typical lineup would be right now. I forgot the sonora acts were added later.
Last note on 2017 -- there were 177 acts on the actual set times. So just to get to parity with those set times, they'll need to add 16 total acts this year.
Last year there were 192 on the actual set times. We'd need to add 31 acts to get to that number lol.
Yeah and candidly when I saw the poster, not counting acts but just looking at it visually, I was like "did they axe the Sonora or what?" because it just looked like way too small of a lineup.
While it would be wild if they like announced 10-15 more poster level names, I think a bunch of these acts are just getting longer set times with less competition, that's all. And usually the sparser days (like Friday 2015) just means that Gobi/Mojave shut down earlier than expected, not that everything else starts later. If I remember right I think Alesso was literally the only act other than AC/DC onstage between 12 and 1 Friday 2015.
It honestly might have just been a budget thing - having BLACKPINK/Frank/BB/Calvin/Gorillaz/Bjork all on the same lineup, plus convincing Prydz/Chem Bros to come out of their holes, AND on top of that still trying to get Rihanna on board - that shit is not cheap.
I think it’s more solid too, but we also have to take things in perspective. Remember when Ride’s website said Coachella stage and we thought that was a confirmation.
Yeah, but since then we've learned not to take "Coachella Stage" as Main Stage confirmation. This is a pretty different situation.
Comparing liking a random tweet reply to a story repost seems quite a bit different, but if we want to, we can get rid of the Kali Uchis confirmation.
It’s a reasonable confirm! No reason to not treat it as such with the information you currently have available! If suddenly we hear Porter Robinson is also on the Main tho then we need to assess if what appeared reasonable was really just somebody saying she’s third on her day behind Bjork and Frank because that’s how they wanted to hype their client.
