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The board has a history of acting like Coachella is going to be a catastrophic failure if they can't move the full 250k tickets, even though they've annually sold more tickets than every other North American festival for many years running (idk how many years, someone else can look it up if they really care that much). The doomsday thinking almost always lines up with disappointment in the perceived quality of the acts they booked. Even with Doja/Lana/Tyler, this festival will be perfectly fine. The ability to buy below face on the secondary market doesn't make it a failure.
I like when someone inevitably suggests that they might have to go back to one weekend because of low ticket sales.
I don’t think people think that. They just think it will be a bloodbath getting tickets if she is.
Fair, I think I just generally don’t understand thinking this won’t sell well. An immediate sellout? Probably not. A general sellout? Maybe not too, I’m not a psychic. But I just think back to when someone asked “has anyone not seen all these headliners recently?” including Dua and most of us said no! I think the demand is still there no matter how much I think Doja sucks or whatever.
I think you need at least one stadium act if you want to move that many tickets at the prices they charge. And if it is Lana, Tyler, and Doja Cat there isn’t a stadium act. It also factors into presale for next year. A weaker lineup this year could cause less people to buy presale next year.
Then who is? Should they just keep throwing money to get the same three most popular artists on earth to headline every year?
If they want to sell that many tickets, yes - they need stadium acts. And in fairness, I believe they struggled to move even 200k in 2019/2022. But those ticket prices have been going up while booking massive acts, so to keep the ticket prices high without delivering a lineup that merits the price would be frustrating to me as a consumer. I'll withhold judgement until the full lineup is out, but it'll be tough for them to justify those prices to me with those names at the top, after the names they'd been delivering.
2022 was honestly a unique year. Many people had roll over tickets from 2020 who were expecting Rage, Frank and / or Travis. Then the lineup drops with Harry and Billie instead. So you had a lot of cheap resale tickets available when the general sale was happening because those audiences are so different. They were in a lose / lose situation.
That said, if it really is Doja/Lana/Tyler this year, we’ll learn how much headliners matter versus the Coachella “experience”. And if it doesn’t go well ticket sales wise, hopefully that teaches GV a lesson going forward to not neglect having at least one “marquee” artist to help drive sales.
The board has a history of acting like Coachella is going to be a catastrophic failure if they can't move the full 250k tickets, even though they've annually sold more tickets than every other North American festival for many years running (idk how many years, someone else can look it up if they really care that much). The doomsday thinking almost always lines up with disappointment in the perceived quality of the acts they booked. Even with Doja/Lana/Tyler, this festival will be perfectly fine. The ability to buy below face on the secondary market doesn't make it a failure.
I like when someone inevitably suggests that they might have to go back to one weekend because of low ticket sales.
This exactly. It sold so poorly they decided they wanted to sell even less tickets next year.
It also seems extremely unlikely that the current trio is what they were aiming for anyway. Maybe they spent the year working on Rihanna or Rolling Stones or Talking Heads and nobody bit. That's hardly GV's fault. It doesn't mean their strategy going forward is going to look like Lolla.
2 stadium acts and a reclusive, rare booking. Arguably weekend 2 got three stadium headliners with Blink 182 too (ignoring that they played weekend 1 as a surprise).
Passing on Shakira is a bad look by GV if this is true.
You can't try and expand your festival booking BlackPink and Bad Bunny and draw the line the following year from a global icon, especially after Bad Bunnys performance was showcasing all the historic latino acts in history.
The glass ceiling is alive and well for a female latina if this is cost related.
(Doubt it is a stage or performance restriction like Kanye's circle stage)
Tyler and Doja are nothing special too having both done coachella recently and doja just wrapping up touring around the US.
I think I need to just step away from the phone at this point but Doja/Lana/Tyler doesn’t strike me as that far off from Ariana/Tame/Childish Gambino and Coachella did not collapse in 2019, especially coming after The Weeknd/Eminem/The Most Famous Beyonce Concert Ever in 2018.
I think I need to just step away from the phone at this point but Doja/Lana/Tyler doesn’t strike me as that far off from Ariana/Tame/Childish Gambino and Coachella did not collapse in 2019, especially coming after The Weeknd/Eminem/The Most Famous Beyonce Concert Ever in 2018.
Actually it's very different because the average inforoo poster likes Tame and Gambino more than Doja Cat.
I like when someone inevitably suggests that they might have to go back to one weekend because of low ticket sales.
This exactly. It sold so poorly they decided they wanted to sell even less tickets next year.
It also seems extremely unlikely that the current trio is what they were aiming for anyway. Maybe they spent the year working on Rihanna or Rolling Stones or Talking Heads and nobody bit. That's hardly GV's fault. It doesn't mean their strategy going forward is going to look like Lolla.
The people expecting a full sell-out is kinda weird too. Do people REALLY want to know what Coachella feels like at full capacity?
I think I need to just step away from the phone at this point but Doja/Lana/Tyler doesn’t strike me as that far off from Ariana/Tame/Childish Gambino and Coachella did not collapse in 2019, especially coming after The Weeknd/Eminem/The Most Famous Beyonce Concert Ever in 2018.
wow, i forgot this! lana / doja / tyler maybe is stronger than ariana / gambino / tame
If they want to sell that many tickets, yes - they need stadium acts. And in fairness, I believe they struggled to move even 200k in 2019/2022. But those ticket prices have been going up while booking massive acts, so to keep the ticket prices high without delivering a lineup that merits the price would be frustrating to me as a consumer. I'll withhold judgement until the full lineup is out, but it'll be tough for them to justify those prices to me with those names at the top, after the names they'd been delivering.
2022 was honestly a unique year. Many people had roll over tickets from 2020 who were expecting Rage, Frank and / or Travis. Then the lineup drops with Harry and Billie instead. So you had a lot of cheap resale tickets available when the general sale was happening because those audiences are so different. They were in a lose / lose situation.
That said, if it really is Doja/Lana/Tyler this year, we’ll learn how much headliners matter versus the Coachella “experience”. And if it doesn’t go well ticket sales wise, hopefully that teaches GV a lesson going forward to not neglect having at least one “marquee” artist to help drive sales.
Well considering that you can see who they went after in the hits article, its not like they were going small. If it was The Stones, Olivia and Shakira you would have people gushing over that trio cause it hits a lot of sweet spots. They can always get points for trying and its frustrating seeing the acts they couldve or almost had.
I think I need to just step away from the phone at this point but Doja/Lana/Tyler doesn’t strike me as that far off from Ariana/Tame/Childish Gambino and Coachella did not collapse in 2019, especially coming after The Weeknd/Eminem/The Most Famous Beyonce Concert Ever in 2018.
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Passing on Shakira is a bad look by GV if this is true.
You can't try and expand your festival booking BlackPink and Bad Bunny and draw the line the following year from a global icon, especially after Bad Bunnys performance was showcasing all the historic latino acts in history.
The glass ceiling is alive and well for a female latina if this is cost related.
(Doubt it is a stage or performance restriction like Kanye's circle stage)
Tyler and Doja are nothing special too having both done coachella recently and doja just wrapping up touring around the US.
Shakira is just one artist, and there can be a million reasons why they wouldn't take her offer (even though I personally wouldn't be upset to see her there).
The rest of your post is addressing counter-examples, which seem to exist, but not actually justifying a pattern.
You can go to Coachella and never see a headliner and have an amazing weekend. It isn’t like other festivals where the undercard is thin and the schedule inevitably ruins everything. There will be a run of acts for those who aren’t into these headliners, but they could attract a younger base to go for possibly the first time. Peso Pluma will be a huge draw alone and is something outside of this boards typical taste (which is a good thing imo). I feel like there’s a disconnect here between what we enjoy and what is popular to average listener, granted I haven’t posted or read as much here lately.
That place thought Bad Bunny wasn't a headliner and expects Daft Punk - Taylor Swift - Daft Punk every year of course it's dark.
Yet they're losing their minds that they passed on Shakira, which honestly would've been lame as hell so good on GV with that call. That sub is a hivemind of bland mediocre shit.