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I never said any of that, don't put words in my mouth. My argument was simply stating that calling what existed in Israel and the Palestinian territories prior to 1948 "Palestine" is unequivocally false.
fine. as taylor swift states, Call It What You Want.
but THE PEOPLE who lived on that land before Zionists came in to colonize.... we are simply stating that the land was rightfully theirs. by way of them, you know, living on it for generations. and you seem to not agree with this notion. do you also think the native americans didn't have rights to the land of America in the 1600s as Brits came in to colonize said land?
No, but that doesn't prevent you or me from living here.
The Palestinians weren't the only ones living there prior to 1948, and aside from that the Jewish people have had ties to the land for centuries. That is why the land is disputed and why this is such a complex issue. I'm pro two state solution, I hope we get there one day.
I never said any of that, don't put words in my mouth. My argument was simply stating that calling what existed in Israel and the Palestinian territories prior to 1948 "Palestine" is unequivocally false.
What is the point of making that argument other than to imply that they didn’t have a legitimate right to expect that the land would not be taken away from them?
Because calling it "Palestine" is disingenuous and implies that a sovereign nation that was taken away from the Palestinian people.
The Mods have decided this beast needs it's own thread. I'm not bothering with rules of engagement. You will only ignore them. Or better yet, laugh.
honestly had the same thought....
Druid i have a question that i dont know how to frame without it seeming quippy but i dont intend it to -- i am genuinely curious. in a mafia game years ago i was being directly verbally assaulted (personal attacks far worse than anything stated in here at any point, by anyone) by that Viking dude, and mods basically couldn't decide whether to step in or not until it had gone on for a long ass time and gotten progressively more aggressive and demeaning.... if the answer is "because thats just a game," then i would have to pose the question of why a low-stakes imaginary game would allow for more leniency than an imperative debate about real-time tragedies occurring that we know not everyone agrees on but wants to discuss?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by xfinitypass on Nov 13, 2023 16:06:55 GMT -5
Just because an ethnic nation has never had control over state, does not mean they don’t have a claim to start one. Most nations in that region of the world were created by some Europeans dude playing a game of etch a sketch. Palestine, Kurdistan, etc… make more sense as states than a large majority of the ones that actually exist.
This is also why I’m against a one state solution. We need more states, not less. Forcing different nations/groups with shared history/beliefs/identities/etc to live under the same border is a recipe for a disaster. Having nations have their own states should any many ways actually decrease nationalism as backwards as that sounds, as it gives these nations political means through which to go after what they want rather than having to resort to extremism to attempt to create a state in the first place.
Druid i have a question that i dont know how to frame without it seeming quippy but i dont intend it to -- i am genuinely curious. in a mafia game years ago i was being directly verbally assaulted (personal attacks far worse than anything stated in here at any point, by anyone) by that Viking dude, and mods basically couldn't decide whether to step in or not until it had gone on for a long ass time and gotten progressively more aggressive and demeaning.... if the answer is "because thats just a game," then i would have to pose the question of why a low-stakes imaginary game would allow for more leniency than an imperative debate about real-time tragedies occurring that we know not everyone agrees on but wants to discuss?
Was it reported to a Mod? Because if so, I would have stepped in and asked for it to stop. This particular incident today was reported to the Mods. And it was not reported by anyone involved in the conversation. So I asked for a "cease fire" so to speak. And of course I'm mocked for it. Doesn't matter.
I am going to be honest, I don't follow mafia games. So I don't see what you guys say to each other in there. I do know it has gotten nasty before. And I didn't know if it was just part of the game or if it was out of line.
Regardless, let a mod know if you feel threatened in a mafia thread or any thread. A mod will try to step in. And get shit on for it. But it's our job.
Druid i have a question that i dont know how to frame without it seeming quippy but i dont intend it to -- i am genuinely curious. in a mafia game years ago i was being directly verbally assaulted (personal attacks far worse than anything stated in here at any point, by anyone) by that Viking dude, and mods basically couldn't decide whether to step in or not until it had gone on for a long ass time and gotten progressively more aggressive and demeaning.... if the answer is "because thats just a game," then i would have to pose the question of why a low-stakes imaginary game would allow for more leniency than an imperative debate about real-time tragedies occurring that we know not everyone agrees on but wants to discuss?
Was it reported to a Mod? Because if so, I would have stepped in and asked for it to stop. This particular incident today was reported to the Mods. And it was not reported by anyone involved in the conversation. So I asked for a "cease fire" so to speak. And of course I'm mocked for it. Doesn't matter.
I am going to be honest, I don't follow mafia games. So I don't see what you guys say to each other in there. I do know it has gotten nasty before. And I didn't know if it was just part of the game or if it was out of line.
Regardless, let a mod know if you feel threatened in a mafia thread or any thread. A mod will try to step in. And get shit on for it. But it's our job.
it was but not to you. i am very fond of the mod who it was reported to at that time and dont hold ill will that they didn't step in right away (this was years ago, like 2017 i think), but i was just curious about how this differs.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Was it reported to a Mod? Because if so, I would have stepped in and asked for it to stop. This particular incident today was reported to the Mods. And it was not reported by anyone involved in the conversation. So I asked for a "cease fire" so to speak. And of course I'm mocked for it. Doesn't matter.
I am going to be honest, I don't follow mafia games. So I don't see what you guys say to each other in there. I do know it has gotten nasty before. And I didn't know if it was just part of the game or if it was out of line.
Regardless, let a mod know if you feel threatened in a mafia thread or any thread. A mod will try to step in. And get shit on for it. But it's our job.
it was but not to you. i am very fond of the mod who it was reported to at that time and dont hold ill will that they didn't step in right away (this was years ago, like 2017 i think), but i was just curious about how this differs.
i do appreciate the response.
I am sorry that happened to you. I believe he was banned from playing Mafia right?
it was but not to you. i am very fond of the mod who it was reported to at that time and dont hold ill will that they didn't step in right away (this was years ago, like 2017 i think), but i was just curious about how this differs.
i do appreciate the response.
I am sorry that happened to you. I believe he was banned from playing Mafia right?
no he wasnt banned from playing. he played multiple times after that. but he doesnt come around anymore.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
also, for anyone curious, this is just one post of the many insane ones from Viking that game. gotta reminisce every once in a while at the absolute insanity that came from that poster.
Statements like this are why I think you are a despicable human. Suicide jokes aren't funny. Telling someone they wouldn't be missed if dead is an inarguably cruel thing, no matter the context - in a game on an Internet board or not.
But I'm checked out. Sorry if the game has fallen apart but shit happens. You'll start a new one. Life will go on.
But in all seriousness, and outside the game, you are one of only a handful of people on this board who I really dislike. There are some I don't like, but even those people I can actually relate to on some level and we can find mutual good in each other. I genuinely like and have respect for virtually everyone else I have played this game with. This includes people like EAP. She and I are oil and water, but you know what? We had a beer and talked at brunch and at the end of the day mafia was left in mafia. I really like people like Jimmy, even though he and I don't see eye to eye in this thread more often than not.
You know why Rummy? At the end of the day, they are good honorable people. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for you.
I don't know if it was because mommy and daddy always came to your rescue, or the cloistered life you have lead, but you are at heart a rotten, weak person. You hide behind a mask of "lets all be nice" and "only PC jokes allowed", but I have news for you. One day reality will confront you and take that mask off. Because you have no real values, it will be a very very sad day for you.
I am not mad at you. The only emotion I feel is pity. Pity that weak, selfish, shallow people like you exist in a world that can be very harsh and unforgiving at times. I truly wish you the best and hope that you can grow to be a better human being capable of dealing with the trials ahead of you and hope that you can find some happiness to fill whatever it is that is rotting out your soul.
If you need someone to talk to, I am here. (And yes, I mean that, because I AM worried about you)
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Shrug. To each their own. I enjoy winning so I do what it takes to win.
And at any cost I see. Friends, family, loved ones. Fuck em. Just throw them under the bus. I've been watching this game from afar. No one sent me a PM complaining. But I obviously have thin skin, because I have been disgusted at the things you have said. I know it's a game but hell, they are all human beings.
I am actually proud of my moderator self for staying out of it, but ashamed for my personal self for not saying anything sooner.
Druid i have a question that i dont know how to frame without it seeming quippy but i dont intend it to -- i am genuinely curious. in a mafia game years ago i was being directly verbally assaulted (personal attacks far worse than anything stated in here at any point, by anyone) by that Viking dude, and mods basically couldn't decide whether to step in or not until it had gone on for a long ass time and gotten progressively more aggressive and demeaning.... if the answer is "because thats just a game," then i would have to pose the question of why a low-stakes imaginary game would allow for more leniency than an imperative debate about real-time tragedies occurring that we know not everyone agrees on but wants to discuss?
Regardless, let a mod know if you feel threatened in a mafia thread or any thread. A mod will try to step in. And get shit on for it. But it's our job.
Regardless, let a mod know if you feel threatened in a mafia thread or any thread. A mod will try to step in. And get shit on for it. But it's our job.
The hospital's generator runs on fuel. The same fuel they are using to fire rockets into Israel. Let me know if this still isn't clear for you.
Does Israel have blackmail on your or something? I can’t fathom why anyone would willingly post such awful takes
It's actually safe to drive a truck full of barrels of fuel to a hospital. Hamas needs to just reveal their location and do that. The advanced surveillance system Israel has wouldn't pick up on it. And if it did, they surely wouldn't bomb the hell out of it.
Like it's fine to believe Hamas should give up fuel for their rockets to save lives. I don't really have a problem with it in theory. But the idea that this is easy or even possible in the current environment is comical. This isn't a generator you could run an RV off of at Bonnaroo. These are gigantic gas guzzlers.
Thanks for reporting me. I’ll have another mod address your concerns.
In my 13 or so years on this site I don't believe I've ever reported a post or person. Unfortunately your creepy threat forced me to do so. I made a private report and am only addressing it publicly because of this comment. Making the report's existence public is bizarre, harassing, and undermines the reporting process. All I've asked is for your (yearslong and one-sided) weird hostility toward me to cease. Clearly you're not capable of that.
To anyone reading this, I realize it sounds petty and dumb (which it is), and you don't care, but just for clarity this unprompted behavior from Druid has occurred for years despite me never interacting with them. I've always ignored the odd snipes and insults until today when their actions forced me to address it. I don't believe it's appropriate for a mod to insult/target a user and then promise they'll continue to do so with no limit as to how far they'll take it. It's not some huge deal, I just politely asked that they stop.
I hate having to even address this because it's silly and distracts from the purpose of this thread -- the horrific genocide in Gaza. This dumb drama is nada compared to that. I appreciate all the info and discussion on here. Back to that.
Thanks for reporting me. I’ll have another mod address your concerns.
In my 13 or so years on this site I don't believe I've ever reported a post or person. Unfortunately your threat required me to do so. I made a private report and am only addressing it publicly because of this comment. Making the report public is bizarre, harassing, and undermines the reporting process. All I've asked is for your (yearslong and one-sided) weird hostility towards me to cease. Clearly you're not capable of that.
To anyone reading this, I realize it sounds petty but this unprompted behavior from Druid has occurred for years despite me never interacting with them. I've always ignored the comments and odd snipes until today. I don't believe it's appropriate for a mod to insult/target a user and then say they will continue to do so with no limit to where they'll go with it. It's not some huge deal, I just politely asked that they stop in the report.
I hate having to even address this because it's silly and distracts from the purpose of this thread -- the horrific genocide in Gaza. This dumb drama is nada compared to that. I appreciate all the info and discussion on here. Back to that.
You’ve come after me a few times for no reason. Is this post another joke or what? I guess as long as you’re a user you think you can do whatever you want
Post by g a b f r a b on Nov 13, 2023 22:42:53 GMT -5
Doctors Without Borders discussing the attacks on hospitals. This spokesman is going through the litany of things happening and says "don't cut off water." We obviously know it's Israel who did that. In previous tweets they discuss the bombing and attacks on hospitals and explicitly name Israel as the perpetrator. They urge them to cease the "indiscriminate bloodshed." More recently DWB seems to have adopted a policy of neutrality as they don't name Israel in their increasingly desperate reports but it's beyond clear who they're referring to when addressing the bombing, sniping, and all around siege of hospitals.
Goddamn, the IDF lies so fucking much it's insane. Like I think it's logical that a guerilla army is skirting the rules of war to hide from an advanced military force. It makes sense but they just lie about such stupid shit.