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What size venues would they play in the U.S.? People were saying they could do football stadiums on another forum at least in the major markets but I don’t know if demand will be THAT high. Arenas or maybe baseball stadiums seem more likely to me.
They could do 2 or 3 nights at MSG & Staples/Intuit. Only 1 night at the arenas in like a Seattle/Chicago/Miami.
Maybe stadiums in Canada though, much more British culture there. I was an exchange student in Toronto in 2005 and they had the amphitheater sold out with high resale prices, so couldn't go
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
They were bigger in South America and Asia than USA. In fact I would expect them to hit up Brazil and Japan as their first shows outside of Europe. And they'll play Barcelona/Paris/Rome/Munich before those 2 countries.
I'm fully on team "Oasis is a headliner" but I don't think Coachella bothers if it's 2026. Again, going back to Outkast: nobody doubted they were a headliner but by the time they were wrapping up that tour they were headlining festivals smaller than Kilby Block Party. They wouldn't have been booked as a headliner if it wasn't to start the shindig. The whole appeal is getting them at the start of the reunion; at the end is not that meaningful and I think Coachella would pass, as might most major festivals. If they reunite in London in June, people will care a lot less in April 2026.
If Coachella 2026 is their first North American show it would still be big deal. I don't think the majority of Oasis fans in the states will not be going to the UK shows.
I just think there’s a *lot* less excitement - both from fans and media - with a show that comes a year after the actual reunion. At that point it’s just “Coachella has Oasis as a headliner” not “Coachella got the Oasis reunion.” (And I’d bet they don’t have an exclusive in that scenario.) I’m fully open to being wrong but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze there
If it’s 2026 I think live nation gets them. If they’re even still together.
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
They were bigger in South America and Asia than USA. In fact I would expect them to hit up Brazil and Japan as their first shows outside of Europe
Agree with this. In line with the Blur and Stone Roses playbook.
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
Ya I bought half price tickets to see them play a theater in Detroit in 2002ish, didn’t sell well at all (and it was a pretty shitty show).
But nostalgia is a hell of a drug and they got enough juice for a few shows here, they just need to be particular. Football stadiums is crazy talk.
If Coachella 2026 is their first North American show it would still be big deal. I don't think the majority of Oasis fans in the states will not be going to the UK shows.
I just think there’s a *lot* less excitement - both from fans and media - with a show that comes a year after the actual reunion. At that point it’s just “Coachella has Oasis as a headliner” not “Coachella got the Oasis reunion.” (And I’d bet they don’t have an exclusive in that scenario.) I’m fully open to being wrong but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze there
If it’s 2026 I think live nation gets them. If they’re even still together.
Yeah I think Live Nation gets them for South America Lollapaloozas 2026 with the option of Chicago and 1-2 other Live Nation fests (that aren't Bonnaroo)
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
Ya I bought half price tickets to see them play a theater in Detroit in 2002ish, didn’t sell well at all (and it was a pretty shitty show).
But nostalgia is a hell of a drug and they got enough juice for a few shows here, they just need to be particular.
That's what I'm saying though. Like I was pretty into Oasis still at that point but the general US population had already dipped out.
Like I would consider their 2000 album still kind of prime-ish and if you look at the US charts and it sold laughably bad.
But yes a few US shows in major markets would sell super well.
I don't think they're as big as No Doubt, but just the fact of going away for a while made this year's Coachella show really special, and get a huge crowd response that you wouldn't see for Green Day or a similar band that's been touring regularly. Same for Blink 182 the previous year. If their crowd split the difference between Blur and No Doubt, it would still be bigger than most of this year's headliners.
Post by abefroman1 on Aug 25, 2024 19:49:20 GMT -5
Oasis isn't big in the US because of bands like Green Day, Blink and No Doubt. Pop punk is what took America by storm post-grunge while Brit rock was taking Europe, South America and Asia by storm at the same time.
Both styles of music are similar in that they were fun escapes after Cobain's suicide. That's why they got big in their respective countries, but they also were individually too big to allow the other to thrive in the opposite countries in a pre-internet world.
Sure Green Day did well internationally, like Oasis did in US (albeit for a moment), but Blur isn't big in America much like how most Warped Tour bands never got huge in the UK.
Can’t really compare them to Blur or Stone Roses, neither of whom managed to breakthrough in the US. Oasis was on every radio station back in the day. Crowd would be comparable, maybe less than No Doubt, but still decent.
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
Ya I bought half price tickets to see them play a theater in Detroit in 2002ish, didn’t sell well at all (and it was a pretty shitty show).
But nostalgia is a hell of a drug and they got enough juice for a few shows here, they just need to be particular. Football stadiums is crazy talk.
Having lived in England in the 90s, and moving back to the US in 99, I was reminded by listening to the "Rise and Fall of Oasis" podcast on the BBC app, they were at their lowest overall popularity in 2001-2002. Sure they nearly broke up a dozen times, but they really could have died out during Heathen Chemistry. Filesharing culture hit them hard and HC was not very well received even in the UK
What size venues would they play in the U.S.? People were saying they could do football stadiums on another forum at least in the major markets but I don’t know if demand will be THAT high. Arenas or maybe baseball stadiums seem more likely to me.
Mls stadiums would be smart but just in La, Chicago and Ny. You can get 20 - 25,000 in one shot doing that. Arenas everywhere else. But they def cannot go play like Oklahoma on a Weds night, cause that shit wont sell. So like a dozen dates tops. They can do Foro Sol in Mexico City and obviously stadiums in South America, but thats diff.
And last tour they did stateside I saw em at Staples Center and they ended up moving people from some of the nosebleeds cause it had been closed off.
Oasis isn't big in the US because of bands like Green Day, Blink and No Doubt. Pop punk is what took America by storm post-grunge while Brit rock was taking Europe, South America and Asia by storm at the same time.
Both styles of music are similar in that they were fun escapes after Cobain's suicide. That's why they got big in their respective countries, but they also were individually too big to allow the other to thrive in the opposite countries in a pre-internet world.
Sure Green Day did well internationally, like Oasis did in US (albeit for a moment), but Blur isn't big in America much like how most Warped Tour bands never got huge in the UK.
this topic is actually so interesting I'd love a video essay on this.
it was funny to me that I've never in my life met a Oasis fan irl and then when I spent some time in Japan Oasais would come on the non English speaking room would know every single word
Oasis isn't big in the US because of bands like Green Day, Blink and No Doubt. Pop punk is what took America by storm post-grunge while Brit rock was taking Europe, South America and Asia by storm at the same time.
Both styles of music are similar in that they were fun escapes after Cobain's suicide. That's why they got big in their respective countries, but they also were individually too big to allow the other to thrive in the opposite countries in a pre-internet world.
Sure Green Day did well internationally, like Oasis did in US (albeit for a moment), but Blur isn't big in America much like how most Warped Tour bands never got huge in the UK.
this topic is actually so interesting I'd love a video essay on this.
it was funny to me that I've never in my life met a Oasis fan irl and then when I spent some time in Japan Oasais would come on the non English speaking room would know every single word
I highly recommend The Rise and Fall of Oasis on the BBC Sounds App by Steve Lamacq and Jo Wiley. Eight 20 minute episodes and covered everything. Except maybe the pop punk divide I posted about. But it did cover Oasis personal faults that led to them not succeeding in America (smoking crack in LA 1994, the disasterous MTV Unplugged)
They also did a "Rise and Fall of Brit Pop" last year that was even better. Of course I am biased because I lived there from 1993-1997
Granted they were not a headliner but Pulp played Coachella in 2012 even though the reunion started in 2011 and it still drew well and was considered a big deal
I was at that show in 2012 and it did not draw well. More than Stone Roses 2013 (the bar can't get any lower), but less than Blur 2013 (which also did not draw well). Was very easy to walk straight up to the stage at any point during the show. After the soundboard it was just loosely scattered people laying down. Not even 10% capacity at main on Fri at 8pm.
What size venues would they play in the U.S.? People were saying they could do football stadiums on another forum at least in the major markets but I don’t know if demand will be THAT high. Arenas or maybe baseball stadiums seem more likely to me.
Not a chance in hell they play any type of stadium, just pure delusion. Arenas are a stretch for any city other than LA/NY/Chi.
they could sell out a basketball arena in at least a dozen US markets
I'd like to see that list of a dozen, because unless they put tickets at 1995 prices, I don't see them selling out any more than the 3 or 4 biggest markets max. The rest of the country they'd be better off playing amphitheaters or 3-5k venues.
I think a lot of people who were around for the mid 90s heyday overestimate the lasting cultural impact of Oasis in the US.
They toured pretty heavily here in the 2000s and it was mostly tepid with diminishing returns. They were rapidly approaching 2024 Black Keys levels by the end.
Ya I bought half price tickets to see them play a theater in Detroit in 2002ish, didn’t sell well at all (and it was a pretty shitty show).
But nostalgia is a hell of a drug and they got enough juice for a few shows here, they just need to be particular. Football stadiums is crazy talk.
I think their peak potential in the Detroit would be Pine Knob and their basement would be the Fox. Which means they would probably just skip it all together this time around.
Post by gibsonguy20 on Aug 25, 2024 21:47:16 GMT -5
The Prodigy just announced Australia dates for Feb 2025. I believe these are the first shows outside of Europe since the death of Keith. I originally gave up and just assumed I would never get to see the Prodigy after Keith’s death, but watching some of their live set from this summer makes me still long for it to happen. So do it Paul… Oasis and the Prodigy like it’s 2002 all over again!
Count me in on Team Headlining Festivals in the US. If Oasis expects to command top of the market prices in America, doesn't that basically limit them to LA/NYC and either Toronto or Chicago? They aren't filling out a building of size in Houston or Miami or Seattle with $150+ tickets.
If Coachella 2026 is their first North American show it would still be big deal. I don't think the majority of Oasis fans in the states will not be going to the UK shows.
I just think there’s a *lot* less excitement - both from fans and media - with a show that comes a year after the actual reunion. At that point it’s just “Coachella has Oasis as a headliner” not “Coachella got the Oasis reunion.” (And I’d bet they don’t have an exclusive in that scenario.) I’m fully open to being wrong but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze there
If it’s 2026 I think live nation gets them. If they’re even still together.
Initially I agreed that for Coachella it was 2025 or bust, though looking back this could play out like it did with The Stone Roses. They announced their reunion in 2011, played a bunch of UK shows in 2012 then finally played Coachella in 2013. By 2026 it will still be the "reunion" tour and since these 2025 dates are very likely to sell out instantly, that will still leave a lot of demand to be met. So while it wouldn't be AS big if they got them in 2026 instead of 2025, that still puts them comfortably as a RTTD headliner and at this point, while PT would prefer to have them next year instead (and will probably try his best to secure that) I'm sure he's also willing to take what he can get for their first US gig back.
If Oasis is smart they can play USA in April/May 2026 and then just stay for the World Cup.
My guess is NYC/LA/Toronto/Lollapalooza in August 2025
I have a hard time seeing Coachella NOT being the first US show back (possibly first North/South America show too) and absolutely no way would they let Lollapalooza get them first. If that actually happened, Coachella would probably just move on at that point.
Post by TickleMeElmo on Aug 25, 2024 23:32:00 GMT -5
Also not ruling out the possibility that Oasis foregoes Coachella and GV books them for a Desert Trip/Power Trip type festival in October 2025 instead.