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Post by Lucid Interval on Mar 3, 2006 15:04:38 GMT -5
laughing @ Gnome That my friend is why we have genre's and generalizatons in music, to communicate things. The problem is that some people think specific genre's are all one way and take the terms for face value when the terms are just there to communicate a general idea, not a specific description of the music.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Mar 3, 2006 15:12:39 GMT -5
gnome said:
I don't know. I am going to see Trey, Lesh and Umphrey's and I am underwhelmed by the new additions. To avoid labelling, I hope the next round includes more bands that are mostly based on rock, but which have elements of funk and jazz and which perform lengthy improvisations on their songs and imrpovise almost any genre, and appeal to both musicians for their complexity and commercial audiences for their feel and attitude.
I don't know. I am going to see Trey, Lesh and Umphrey's and I am underwhelmed by the new additions. To avoid labelling, I hope the next round includes more bands that are mostly based on rock, but which have elements of funk and jazz and which perform lengthy improvisations on their songs and imrpovise almost any genre, and appeal to both musicians for their complexity and commercial audiences for their feel and attitude.
Make sure you catch Sonic Youth
Good call deathreau. That is pretty much a dead on description of Sonic Youth, except you'd need an awful loose description of funk.
Will do, thanks for the suggestion. And yeah, jam band is just a term to describe bands with similar trends, not a label. It's just an easy way to refer to bands which have something in common. It doesn't matter if they know the name or not, it's just a loose name that encompasses widely different bands, which may or may not have similar influences or fanbase. It's like, for example, the word hippie or Goth is used to describe groups of people with similar interests. Although those people may be extremely different, they all share something, such as a likeness to black a industrial music, and the desire to see beauty everywhere and acknowledge it won't be there forever (Goths forgive me for any inaccuracy).
Having said that, I hope they add more jam bands. lol.
Those bands are the very very tip of the iceburg man.
Yes, I know- that's why I said the "within six degrees" comment. Just like calling Radiohead, Death Cab, Sonic Youth and Beck "indie" is mind-blowingly naive And I think you made my point for me- when the Dead were in their heyday they didn't need the label, they were just good.
I am personally already excited by the amazing jazz lineup.
There are some very important acts to see as a music fan on here, from Buddy Guy to Bonnie Raitt to Dr. John to Sonic Youth. We're talking people who speak to and outside of whatever genre they are in. These are people at the front of their energetic envelopes, the peaks of the graph.
I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, but I thought the whole reason to be a hippie was to flip a finger at labels, singularity and homogeneity. So far this year's lineup embodies diversity to the nth degree. People make comments about Coachella thanks to a couple of crossover acts- but Coachella would never put the Rebirth Brass Band, Tom Petty and the Dresden Dolls in the same festival. I would think that if Thurston Moore and Buddy Guy strike up a conversation backstage that the space-time-continuum may very well explode.
And lastly, if jam fans seek out technical skill and complexity, I hope they bother to show up and watch Jonny Greenwood.
Yes, I know- that's why I said the "within six degrees" comment. Just like calling Radiohead, Death Cab, Sonic Youth and Beck "indie" is mind-blowingly naive And I think you made my point for me- when the Dead were in their heyday they didn't need the label, they were just good.
I am personally already excited by the amazing jazz lineup.
There are some very important acts to see as a music fan on here, from Buddy Guy to Bonnie Raitt to Dr. John to Sonic Youth. We're talking people who speak to and outside of whatever genre they are in. These are people at the front of their energetic envelopes, the peaks of the graph.
I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, but I thought the whole reason to be a hippie was to flip a finger at labels, singularity and homogeneity. So far this year's lineup embodies diversity to the nth degree. People make comments about Coachella thanks to a couple of crossover acts- but Coachella would never put the Rebirth Brass Band, Tom Petty and the Dresden Dolls in the same festival. I would think that if Thurston Moore and Buddy Guy strike up a conversation backstage that the space-time-continuum may very well explode.
And lastly, if jam fans seek out technical skill and complexity, I hope they bother to show up and watch Jonny Greenwood.
Post by famousblueraincoat on Mar 3, 2006 17:37:22 GMT -5
aquariumdrunk said:
iskew said:
Yes, I know- that's why I said the "within six degrees" comment. Just like calling Radiohead, Death Cab, Sonic Youth and Beck "indie" is mind-blowingly naive And I think you made my point for me- when the Dead were in their heyday they didn't need the label, they were just good.
I am personally already excited by the amazing jazz lineup.
There are some very important acts to see as a music fan on here, from Buddy Guy to Bonnie Raitt to Dr. John to Sonic Youth. We're talking people who speak to and outside of whatever genre they are in. These are people at the front of their energetic envelopes, the peaks of the graph.
I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, but I thought the whole reason to be a hippie was to flip a finger at labels, singularity and homogeneity. So far this year's lineup embodies diversity to the nth degree. People make comments about Coachella thanks to a couple of crossover acts- but Coachella would never put the Rebirth Brass Band, Tom Petty and the Dresden Dolls in the same festival. I would think that if Thurston Moore and Buddy Guy strike up a conversation backstage that the space-time-continuum may very well explode.
And lastly, if jam fans seek out technical skill and complexity, I hope they bother to show up and watch Jonny Greenwood.
Common. Holy crap I'm never gonna sleep this year. Sonic Youth put on a killer show a few years ago. If they keep updates like this coming I'm gonna have to figure out how to clone myself.
i would say as it is im gonna have to miss some shows.... there is plenty to go around, i do think it is the weakest lineup so far but it is still a good deal by any standard, be thankful its not depeche mode and madonna, while i like radioherad i just dont think they are right to headline a highenergy festival scene, but i have heard they put on a hell of a show so i will definetly be checking it out, and i f it gets to be a whiney and depressing vocal performance ill spend that time checking out shakedown street and listening to a cd of who should have been headlining.... but with oysterhead, moe, umph/bisco, beck, ben folds, phil lesh, matisyahu,shooter jennings, buddy guy, dumpstaphunk, bill frisell, medeski maritn wood, etc... it is still the bestlineup of the summer, and ive sitll got my fingers crossed for somemore additions, hopin for derek trucks band, tea leaf green, alo, and jurrasic 5 no matter what there will be plenty to see and do and ill be there for sure wakarusa and 10k lakes both have good lineups too... im hoping to attend all but doubt it,.... i already got my roo tickets though!!! cant wait
Post by Lucid Interval on Mar 5, 2006 13:30:22 GMT -5
With the exception of Oysterhead and a few others i think Wakarusa is the best lineup... Tossup between 10k Lakes and Wakarusa maybe... I'll see ya at Waka and the Roo' 10k Lakes is way out of my reach though...
People like to smite me Nah i think its funny hehe...
anyone who thinks that radiohead is better suited to headlining bonnaroo than widespread has been to coachella one too many times.... i just think that radiohead is a tad on the sad and depressing side, however enough yucky sticks should make the bright lights and loud sounds worth the walk to centeroo i just hope they play alot of ok computer and kida
I've never been to Coachella -- nor do I think that Radiohead are necessarily "better suited" to headline Bonnaroo. I just know for my money, I'd rather watch the most exciting live act in existence tear through a 2 hour set, than deal with the noodling and tedium of Panic for 4 hours. That stuff is fine for certain occasions, but come on, Bonnaroo's attendance was suffering last year and they knew it was time for a change. Sh*t, I actually enjoy WSP, but enough is enough. Like Lucid and plenty of others have pointed out, there are an endless amount of jam exclusive fests out there. Thankfully Bonnaroo have transcended that static lineup programming.
I concur. I couldn't believe they gave Panic two sets last year. That, to me, was a sign that someone was getting out of touch.
Never been to Coachella either. I have seen Radiohead and Panic live more than 5 times each at different stages in their careers. I love how everyone's tossing last year's Coachella lineup around as if these artists had no rep before then. And it is funny how nobody picks on My Morning Jacket and others who have played both.
If Bonnaroo had phoned in the headliners this year like they did last year, the attendance was sure to continue tanking. Two Widespread's and a Dave Matthews? What were they thinking? It was every OTHER band that drew me to last year's at all.
Radiohead have been named the best live act EVER by many mags in multiple countries and still the hangers-on to the ever-elusive, ultra-American "jam-band" scene can find a way to complain about them. Yawn. I hope they don't realize Gomez isn't from Mississippi so they can keep enjoying them and their possibly "whiny" European din.
Ouch. I'm Mexican. But I don't exactly complain about Radiohead, so it's ok. I guess Bonnaroo's making a transition and I just happened to pick this year to go. I still wouldn't trade it for any other festival though.
Gnome, I was commenting on all the cries of Radiohead and like Euro-bands being "whiny" and pointing out that the "jam band" scene isn't exactly popping with international diversity- it's largely an American-artist scene.
I have a great (and possibly misplaced) trust in Bonnaroo to expose me to a really incredible array of music, much of which performed by respected artists in their fields or people that certainly should be or will be. I feel that the resistance from wavers of the "jam band" flag to be a bit hypocritical but I'm probably just misinterpreting what is just sour grapes for the festival challenging them musically. If they added Godsmack and Mariah Carey I'd start worrying aloud about the fate of a festival's integrity-- but every time Roo adds a band or artist I never heard of, (EDIT: or one not on my regular rotation) I rush out to Google them and find out why they were added and end up working myself into a frenzy with schedules trying to see acts I know I will like and those I know I should give a shot.
Anyway. I've written too much on the topic now anyway. Hopefully my posts combined can be good reading to put people to sleep.
i was thinking the same thing, but really there are about 30 bands at last count that 'I' would considider to be a jam band, and about 50 bands that i REALLY want to see. thier just not the same jambands people were expecting to see. so as far as music goes i think i already have more than i can handle.
I love indie music. I love jam bands. I love world music. I love alt country. I love hip hop. I love classical. I love reggae. I love jazz. I love rock. I love music.
i just think that radiohead is a tad on the sad and depressing side . . . i just hope they play alot of ok computer and kida
you've been listening to the media too much and not the band at all. check out their live album "i might be wrong" or any one of their bootlegs floating around out there -- hell, check out Hail to the Thief. they improvise incredibly, even with uber-complex songs w/multiple transitions and time/key changes. they feed off the energy of the crowd and give back to it, taking part in the essential feedback loop that defines a great live act. they are exuberant, calculated, and frenzied as they wash rolling waves of light and sound over the crowd. and if you're not enjoying it, please step aside to make room for someone who is. i might have to bring a defibrillator.
Post by Lucid Interval on Mar 6, 2006 12:27:02 GMT -5
My old roomate used to talk up Radiohead all the time, i've heard a bunch of their stuff not much live though. Im looking forward to it im glad that Bonnaroo will give the opportunity to see a band that i might not travel or go out of my way for otherwise. I just want more of what i get down to added thats all, anyone would. I wasnt trying to start bickering when i made the post about not being impressed with round 3 either...
Post by frankthemute on Mar 6, 2006 13:03:09 GMT -5
You all want to talk about Radiohead being whiners, listen to yourselves. I didnt go to the main stage one time last year and had the best time of my life. All the bands i wanted to see were at the tents or smaller stages. I was personally grateful that none of them played the main stage, it made it more personal. So why does it even matter who is headlining....if i was a lot of you id be hoping that Oysterhead and some of the other bands play on the smaller stages. Id love for Radiohead not to headline and give it to Oysterhead or something and them play at one of the tents even though that would never happen lol.
Id love for Radiohead not to headline and give it to Oysterhead or something and them play at one of the tents even though that would never happen lol.
I Think if Radiohead played a tent that might go into the Guiness World Records of how many stinky concert goers can we stick under a tent. I Would do it just to get my name in the book . ;D
Post by HoodooOperator on Mar 7, 2006 10:40:29 GMT -5
moonsky409 said:
I love indie music. I love jam bands. I love world music. I love alt country. I love hip hop. I love classical. I love reggae. I love jazz. I love rock. I love music.
i personally dont think that radiohead will draw like dave did... it is always cool to hate on dave these days but the fact is he drew twice as many as wide spread did....giving widespread the hedline 2 nights was a mistake in my opinion too... but i believe there will be alot of people that dont give radiohead a chance... im one of those not thrilled by radio head headlining but you bet yer ass i will be there to catch the show... i hope they live up to all the hype...i dont see it being as good as dave and trey or robert randolph but we will see...
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i just hope they play alot of ok computer and kida
