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I understand that a lot of people that came to Bonnaroo from the beginning came because of the focus on jam bands. I still think it is a good thing for new types of bands to be added, though. I've never been into jam bands, but there have always been bands at Bonnaroo that I have enjoyed, and while I'm excited at the prospect of some of the rumored bands, I am also sure that there will still be a lot of jam bands as well. It seems like changing the percentages just adds to diversity. (And while I've never been to any other festivals, I really can't afford to go any further away).
And while I disagree with you, I really appreciate that you are saying it in a rational and reasonable manner!
where people could see more of the jambands and less indie rock and now thats changing.
I understand your frustration. But that just seems to be the direction that music is going these days. Bonnaroo isn't the only festival to be incorporating more and more "indie" bands into thier line-up. Look at Langerado. When it first started it was all "jam bands", with Keller, String Cheese, and the like headlining. This year it's Ben Harper, Flaming Lips and Wilco. Even All-Good had the Lips there last year. So whether you like it or not, this is what's happening. Personally it suits me just fine. I used to only listen to Phish, Moe., Keller, The Cheese, and whatever else I could find. Now I rarely put those cds in my player. It's not that I like them any less. Just that my tastes are constantly changing and I want my music to do the same.
I don't mean this as a bash in any way shape or form, but it just seems like there is a lack of innovation coming from the "jam band" scene. It's the same ol faces, in the same ol places. Which is cool if that's what suits you, but I just get bored with it. There's really only a couple of "jam bands" that I can name that seem to keep it fresh. Umphrey's and MMW being 2. The people at Superfly seem to want the same thing that I want, and that's a greater diversity. And I think they were and are risking being just a "jam band" festival if they kept having the same ol headliners. Like I said, that suits many people just fine. But I think they want thier line-up to be on the cutting edge of new talented artists, along with the established veterans. Which is why, I don't think that you ever have to worry about it turning into a Coachella. When they get Depeche Mode to headline, I'll agree. They're always gonna have "jam bands" there, they might just be taking a back seat to something else this year. Doesn't mean that it's permanent, it's just the way the musical wind blows. I say enjoy it for what it's worth. Sorry for the long post, but I think this is an important issue, and one that I've been noticing for a while now, but nobody has really been talking about it.
I agree things get old with jambands and I don't strictly listen to jambands. I guess I just don't like the idea of bringing in such big rock acts like Radiohead to headline. I would much rather see a few smaller rock bands like Mars Volta and Secret Machines last year. These were bands I never would have seen if they weren't at Bonnaroo but I enjoyed the hell out of. Radiohead is a just a band I've heard plenty of and would rather see a 3 hour Umphrey's show or something instead. I liked the idea of bringing in not well known or established bands and letting them blow everyone away. Radiohead doesn't really need the exposure they would get at Bonnaroo. Different musical tastes is all it is I guess. Most people here jump at the chance to see Radiohead headline and I'm more interested in something like Summer Camp where moe. or Umphrey's will play 2 set shows.
I would much rather see a few smaller rock bands like Mars Volta and Secret Machines last year.
Those were my two favorite bands at 'Roo in 2005.
I don't go to see the larger jambands - they usually come by my home town once a year. I go to see acts that don't have national exposure or activities that only 'Roo can offer. The headliners make up aprox. 22% of the available music times in the day (Noon to 6am). My favorite bands any year I've gone (and I've been to them all so far) were never the headliners, even though I might really like those bands. The late-night sets are usually what turns my crank, so to speak.
But, to each his/her own. I would hope that everybody could find something to do that was fun and unique at any point of the day/night at 'Roo and not base their attendance on the 3 (or 2 sometimes) headliners.
where people could see more of the jambands and less indie rock and now thats changing.
I understand your frustration. But that just seems to be the direction that music is going these days. Bonnaroo isn't the only festival to be incorporating more and more "indie" bands into thier line-up. Look at Langerado. When it first started it was all "jam bands", with Keller, String Cheese, and the like headlining. This year it's Ben Harper, Flaming Lips and Wilco. Even All-Good had the Lips there last year. So whether you like it or not, this is what's happening. Personally it suits me just fine. I used to only listen to Phish, Moe., Keller, The Cheese, and whatever else I could find. Now I rarely put those cds in my player. It's not that I like them any less. Just that my tastes are constantly changing and I want my music to do the same.
I don't mean this as a bash in any way shape or form, but it just seems like there is a lack of innovation coming from the "jam band" scene. It's the same ol faces, in the same ol places. Which is cool if that's what suits you, but I just get bored with it. There's really only a couple of "jam bands" that I can name that seem to keep it fresh. Umphrey's and MMW being 2. The people at Superfly seem to want the same thing that I want, and that's a greater diversity. And I think they were and are risking being just a "jam band" festival if they kept having the same ol headliners. Like I said, that suits many people just fine. But I think they want thier line-up to be on the cutting edge of new talented artists, along with the established veterans. Which is why, I don't think that you ever have to worry about it turning into a Coachella. When they get Depeche Mode to headline, I'll agree. They're always gonna have "jam bands" there, they might just be taking a back seat to something else this year. Doesn't mean that it's permanent, it's just the way the musical wind blows. I say enjoy it for what it's worth. Sorry for the long post, but I think this is an important issue, and one that I've been noticing for a while now, but nobody has really been talking about it.
and, i wish i wouldnt have missed that secret machines set. i was wish a bunch of people who wanted to see trey... which ended up being the biggest let down i've ever experienced. and i didnt even have high hopes! but anyway, im getting off the subject...
i dont like panic. i tried to like that band, but i never could. for some reason, i dropped a buck thirty on a festival that had that band headling not just once but twice. i slept through both shows. the best night for me was thursday. this is just another example of how unimportant headlining bands actually are.
and, i wish i wouldnt have missed that secret machines set. i was wish a bunch of people who wanted to see trey... which ended up being the biggest let down i've ever experienced. and i didnt even have high hopes! but anyway, im getting off the subject...
i dont like panic. i tried to like that band, but i never could. for some reason, i dropped a buck thirty on a festival that had that band headling not just once but twice. i slept through both shows. the best night for me was thursday. this is just another example of how unimportant headlining bands actually are.
I had a hell of a time last year, and the only headliner I saw was DMB. Hell, I only saw half that show because we wanted to get good seats for Mars Volta.
We actually left on Sunday before WSP started playing. None of us had any desire to stay. Turned out to be a good thing, because we were butted up against one of the neighboring properties, and the guy let us drive right through his field to the interstate for 25 bucks.
Total time in line waiting to get out....maybe 30 seconds.
Post by HoodooOperator on Jan 31, 2006 12:18:49 GMT -5
heavyc said:
scooter1984 said:
All i have to say is, Radiohead is good music...and that's what i thought bonnaroo was all about. Just listen to the bends or ok computer.
Amen, two of the best albums of all time right there.
Listen people, if Radiohead are at roo this year, (which they probably wont be), the minute you get yourself home from the fest and get online, you will be the same people who will be raving that they were the best band there. Seriously, dont be ignorant, the roo is about diversity, not just jam bands. I for one, enjoy all music, including jam bands, and will be very disappointed if there few there, but we all know this wont happen. There are like over 80 artists that perform at the roo, meaning there is something for everyone, you know, where else can you see the allmans, jurassic 5, the mars volta, and allison krauss? Bottom line, what we all like about bonnaroo is the good time that it really, truely is, no matter if there are 20 bands you want to see or only 3 or 4. And just for the Radiohead haters, just incase you were not aware, Radiohead are a jamband, just because in the past they were labeled "alternative", that doesnt mean anything. Stop being close-minded and go pick up the live recordings EP, smoke a fat bowl, and prepare to have your mind blown. You wont be disappointed.
Ok lets not get in over our heads here. Radiohead is not a jamband, at least not by the traditional sense of it. I really don't like the word jamband but we all have to except it at somepoint and Radiohead does not fall into this category. I'm not bashing them in any way, it has no bearing on how good they are or anything but by traditional standards they aren't a jamband. It has nothing to do with being close-minded either.
Post by HoodooOperator on Jan 31, 2006 13:10:43 GMT -5
umphreak said:
Ok lets not get in over our heads here. Radiohead is not a jamband, at least not by the traditional sense of it. I really don't like the word jamband but we all have to except it at somepoint and Radiohead does not fall into this category. I'm not bashing them in any way, it has no bearing on how good they are or anything but by traditional standards they aren't a jamband. It has nothing to do with being close-minded either.
I can agree with jamband thing, it's just that it seems that it is the only term people use for bands with 10 minute songs and amazing musical ability. Both of which radiohead have, thus my lumping of them into a "band that jams" category. Jamband is a crappy term though ain't it?
Yeah it's a crappy term but there really isn't a better one. Improv-rock or any other term is pretty much the same as jamband. I agree that Radiohead would fit in with "jamband" crowd better than a lot or other rock bands out there.
Don't even get me started on RADIOHEAD. Talk about a small following.
This is NOT Lollapalooza. It went out of business for a reason.
It is a SHAME to alienate the 'jam band' masses that put this festival on the map by headlining all alternative bands and Tom Petty.
No offense to Tom, but his shows are like Steve Miller shows... just put on the greatest hits CD and press play.
You finally sold out Superfly. I thought it was ll rumors last year, but this year is the switch over. This is the year you turn this into MTV BS. Thanks for using our community to create something huge then SELL US OUT.
You will probably still sell the tickets, but you will lose your most faithful supporters.