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Now that I think about it, I have seen signs in drug stores limiting the quantity of some OTC drugs allowed to be purchased. I didn't know it was because of meth.
Keeping in line with the adv and disadv of living in the South:
Remember, the folks around here (Manchester) only want you here during Bonnaroo. They have no problem with the folks coming in, but when Roo is over, they want you gone!
The bible belt thing is another one, It is extremely religious down here and I am NOT! (look at the Church vs Kramer situation)
Also, DO NOT BE Black, or any other color for that matter. Your typical redneck Manchesterite only sees people in two colors, White, and Non-White. As I have stated before my wife is Hawaiian and is treated as such. We have an ever increasing population of Illegal Mexican immigrant here and she is always being mistaken as a Mexican (nothing wrong in my opinion as I love EVERYONE!!) but it goes so far as, there have been times where someone would not wait on her at a store or something becasue they couldn't speak spanish. She can't speak Spanish either!
She heard a (Redneck Manchester) woman say one time, who was supposed to waiting on her, "I don't speak phuckin spanish, those people need to learn our language.
My wife replied (in her oh so sexy southern accent) "that's great because I don't speak spanish either you bitch!!!
(Then back to a little more intelligent English) Maybe you need to learn how to speak English properly.
She then walked away of course.
And yeah Meth is a huge problem, especially in rural areas like Manchester. Legalized marijuana would end that problem!
The souther hospitality thing only goes so far. After living in the "Redneck Idiosy" for so long, it really begins to wear you down.
Speaking of signs, there is such a funny set of signs coming into Manchester From Tullahoma on Hwy 55.
The first billboard sign say:
ALCOHOLISM????? There is hope ahead (It is advertsing the Bradford addticion clinic)
The next sign about 10 feet past this one say:
BEANS CREAK WINERY 3 miles ahead
That is the south for you, you can have a Meth Kills billboard, an Alcoholism billboard and a billborad advertising alcohol all within 15 feet of each other and no one sees the hypocrisy!
I am not a happy Manchesterite, I just don't fit in with the Redneck persona!
Yeah, I don't know if I'd be able to tolerate the ignorance of those kind of people. It's a shame how narrow-minded some people are. I wonder what their reaction would be if they were all picked up and dropped off in an environment similar to Bonnaroo. Chances are their frame of mind wouldn't change, but the optimist in me likes to think that some people would begin to see things a little differently.
That's a shame people treat your wife that way. It still boggles my mind me that there are people who judge so harshly based on appearances. Your wife reacted the right way though, good for her! We know you don't like living down there, what are her feelings?
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 12:27:27 GMT -5
GIT ER DONE!!!! When we were in Kentucky, i heard on the radio a guy call in and start speaking gibberish and going "IM DRUNK!!!! GIT ER DONE!!!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHA" and then the DJ was just like "you redneck!" and hung up. It made me laugh to hear a real redneck say real redneck things.
I think my favorite billboard message i saw was not even a religious one....It was a huge sign that just said "METH KILLS." It was sort of scary and funny at the same time. The south defiantely has its advantages of a more relaxed, friendly environment, but i'm not sure if I could do it. I've lived in/around big cities my whole life, and couldn't imagine much else
There are lots of big cities in the south, such as Atlanta, New Orleans, Nashville, Charlotte, Memphis, etc. I think it's a major misconception that everyone down here lives on a farm and doesn't have running water or shoes. It actually kind of pisses me off.
But I certainly don't want to blame it on people individually. I think we get stereotyped a lot in movies, books, tv, and other forms of media, and it's just easy to go with the idea that if someone talks with a Southern accent, they're ignorant, racist, God-fearing bum f*cks.
Post by bluevelvet on Jun 28, 2006 12:36:18 GMT -5
LOL yeah I think living in Nashville itself, it isn't as bad because the city itself has a pretty diverse population, but I totally know where you are coming from. I also do not fit into the redneck population or the religious one, and have no time for ignorant bigots. Go to the Super Walmart on the weekend and you get to see the cream of the crop My boyfriend does the grocery shopping there and always is amazed at some of the stuff he sees.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 12:45:52 GMT -5
I'm sorry, when it comes to my definition of a "city" i am very ... well, harsh. To ME, a city isn't just a place with more than 300,000 people (or whatever the definition is.) To me, a city is a place with a downtown, a place wher eyou dont even WANT a car, a place where you can get food at 1 in the morning, and so on. I am admittadly very biased when it comes to the rest of the country. I really only see a handful of cities in this country....NY, Boston, Philly, DC, Chicago (from what i've heard...never actualy been.) Even LA, in my opinion isn't a "city." I can easily see how everything i find attractive about a city other people can find terrible. Its simply because that's what i grew up around, and even though i've travelled all around the country and the world I couldn't imagine living anywhere else, at least not until i've settled down with a family and such
I'm sure there are stereotypes/generalizations that could be made for all of us that don't hold any truth. It's a matter of those willing to look beyond that and give others a chance. Unfortunately the south (as a whole) has the reputation of having little tolerance for diversity.
Personally, I'm glad they're watching this b/c there's nothing I hate more than an angry, pathetic meth-head. Many people I used to call friends have ventured down the path of meth addiction, and it's terribley heart-breaking.
These people are not the same people they once were. They're creatures - pathetic, scabby tweaks who don't give a damn about anything but "fixing" themselves, and will do whatever is necessary to get there.
There is no feeling in the world like the one when you finally realize that your friendship has been traded for a 20-pac of toxic trash.
I can relate. Meth hasn't been a problem here (yet), but heroin is making the rounds. I can't even count anymore how many people I know have overdosed or been to rehab. My best friend of nine years and I grew apart once we went away to college because of drug use. He experimented and it got out of hand. There has to be a breaking point where you remove yourself from the situation and say goodbye. You're right, it is heartbreaking.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:01:26 GMT -5
i know what you mean. That is sad. I've had a few friends venture down the wrong path, though none (that i know of) were due to meth, but a drug problem is a drug problem. Unfortunately i believe in "people will be people" not "government will tell you who you are." Making sure people dont buy huge amounts of sudafed is great, because clearly you dont need 1000 packs a month, but i'm always afraid they'll just keep taking it one step further. Why not find out how much of everything you are buying? Why not find out where ALL Your money is going, because we dont want you spending it on something illegal. If you're not doing anything wrong, you dont have anything to worry about, right?
I feel ya, demuzica. I guess what I get upset about is that it's still socially acceptable to make fun of or generalize people from the south, just as it is large or obese people.
The south gets a bad rap; sometimes it's for a good reason, and sometimes its just because.
I'm sorry, when it comes to my definition of a "city" i am very ... well, harsh. To ME, a city isn't just a place with more than 300,000 people (or whatever the definition is.) To me, a city is a place with a downtown, a place wher eyou dont even WANT a car, a place where you can get food at 1 in the morning, and so on. I am admittadly very biased when it comes to the rest of the country. I really only see a handful of cities in this country....NY, Boston, Philly, DC, Chicago (from what i've heard...never actualy been.) Even LA, in my opinion isn't a "city." I can easily see how everything i find attractive about a city other people can find terrible. Its simply because that's what i grew up around, and even though i've travelled all around the country and the world I couldn't imagine living anywhere else, at least not until i've settled down with a family and such
I understand where you are coming from; you've got all different TYPES of cities. So, maybe that's just the type of city you're used to.
I know I could NEVER live in NYC b/c it's just too big and impersonal!
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:05:39 GMT -5
I try so hard not to judge people, but sometimes its so hard. Everything around you just reinforces generalizations and stereotypes. Whether its the news, or tv, or books, or just other people. The best you can do is give everyone a chance, and then if they prove to be an a-hole, you can tell them to F off and go about your business once again.
A lot of people think the same way, and there is reason for concern. You're right, people don't need 1000 packs of Sudafed a month, and where do they draw the line? Even if you're not doing anything wrong, people value their privacy. I had a similar conversation with my father last night about EZPass. He commented on how convenient having the EZPass express lanes are. Some people refuse to buy it still because that means that our cars can be tracked.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Jun 28, 2006 13:07:25 GMT -5
bohemianboy said:
I'm sorry, when it comes to my definition of a "city" i am very ... well, harsh. To ME, a city isn't just a place with more than 300,000 people (or whatever the definition is.) To me, a city is a place with a downtown, a place wher eyou dont even WANT a car, a place where you can get food at 1 in the morning, and so on. I am admittadly very biased when it comes to the rest of the country. I really only see a handful of cities in this country....NY, Boston, Philly, DC, Chicago (from what i've heard...never actualy been.) Even LA, in my opinion isn't a "city." I can easily see how everything i find attractive about a city other people can find terrible. Its simply because that's what i grew up around, and even though i've travelled all around the country and the world I couldn't imagine living anywhere else, at least not until i've settled down with a family and such
no disrespect, but your definition of a city is waaaaay off base. Maybe "Major Metropolitan Area" would be a better description of what you're talking about, because it's definitely not a city.
I can relate. Meth hasn't been a problem here (yet), but heroin is making the rounds. I can't even count anymore how many people I know have overdosed or been to rehab. My best friend of nine years and I grew apart once we went away to college because of drug use. He experimented and it got out of hand. There has to be a breaking point where you remove yourself from the situation and say goodbye. You're right, it is heartbreaking.
EXACTLY. The day you realize you have to let it go is like mourning a death. Once you've done all you can, you come to the point where you realize that it's starting to hurt YOU, and that it's time to move on.
And I agree w/ you, bohemian, there is a point where a line must be drawn. I just don't think they've crossed it yet. BUT, when they do, I'll be first to jump on that bandwagon.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:14:06 GMT -5
deathreau said:
bohemianboy said:
I'm sorry, when it comes to my definition of a "city" i am very ... well, harsh. To ME, a city isn't just a place with more than 300,000 people (or whatever the definition is.) To me, a city is a place with a downtown, a place wher eyou dont even WANT a car, a place where you can get food at 1 in the morning, and so on. I am admittadly very biased when it comes to the rest of the country. I really only see a handful of cities in this country....NY, Boston, Philly, DC, Chicago (from what i've heard...never actualy been.) Even LA, in my opinion isn't a "city." I can easily see how everything i find attractive about a city other people can find terrible. Its simply because that's what i grew up around, and even though i've travelled all around the country and the world I couldn't imagine living anywhere else, at least not until i've settled down with a family and such
no disrespect, but your definition of a city is waaaaay off base. Maybe "Major Metropolitan Area" would be a better description of what you're talking about, because it's definitely not a city.
None taken. I suppose "major metropolitan area" would be a more accurate description, but as much as I would like to type major metropolitan area over and over again, i'll just stick with city . Ignorance is alright if i'm aware of it, right?
I try so hard not to judge people, but sometimes its so hard. Everything around you just reinforces generalizations and stereotypes. Whether its the news, or tv, or books, or just other people. The best you can do is give everyone a chance, and then if they prove to be an a-hole, you can tell them to F off and go about your business once again.
Yes, and sometimes it's VERY hard. And, it also becomes more difficult when you have things distorting your perception. That's why I try not to pay too much attention to TV and American Media b/c I honestly feel they have their own way of manipulating our perceptions about society, culture, etc.
I want to see the world as it is before me, not as someone wants me to see it.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:18:19 GMT -5
Haha, i think i'm one of the few people in the "counter culture" who doesn't really believe in legalization. MAYBE decriminalization, but i'm not really sure how i feel about that, either. While these things would be great for intelligent people who know how to weigh out consequences and stuff, i think it really would be a huge problem on the general populous. I mean, face it, kids DO try drugs and stuff because of the rebelious nature of it. Maybe thats not why you continue to do it, but realistically thats why most of us started. So if smoking weed isn't rebelious, then we're gonna have to move onto something else. Granite, the fact that someone with a half ounce can get in more trouble than a child molester is an absolute travesty, that doesn't mean leagalization is the answer. How about some community service? Taht's enough to stop you from WANTING to get in trouble, but it isn't absurdly harsh, and plus the a lot of stoners need to get off their behinds and go outside anyway
Post by Hipster Doofus on Jun 28, 2006 13:20:05 GMT -5
bohemianboy said:
deathreau said:
no disrespect, but your definition of a city is waaaaay off base. Maybe "Major Metropolitan Area" would be a better description of what you're talking about, because it's definitely not a city.
None taken. I suppose "major metropolitan area" would be a more accurate description, but as much as I would like to type major metropolitan area over and over again, i'll just stick with city . Ignorance is alright if i'm aware of it, right?
Juuuuuust kidding
No, that's not gonna cut it. Every time I see the word city - BAM smite against bohemianboy....prepare to enter the realm of negative karma!!
Post by Hipster Doofus on Jun 28, 2006 13:22:22 GMT -5
moonsky409 said:
bohemianboy said:
I try so hard not to judge people, but sometimes its so hard. Everything around you just reinforces generalizations and stereotypes. Whether its the news, or tv, or books, or just other people. The best you can do is give everyone a chance, and then if they prove to be an a-hole, you can tell them to F off and go about your business once again.
Yes, and sometimes it's VERY hard. And, it also becomes more difficult when you have things distorting your perception. That's why I try not to pay too much attention to TV and American Media b/c I honestly feel they have their own way of manipulating our perceptions about society, culture, etc.
I want to see the world as it is before me, not as someone wants me to see it.
You're absolutely right. I don't think enough people understand that you have to use your own personal filter when gathering "information" from the media. 90% of the time what's being said has a purpose behind it and it's not too hard to figure out what it is if you use your head.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Jun 28, 2006 13:26:00 GMT -5
bohemianboy said:
Haha, i think i'm one of the few people in the "counter culture" who doesn't really believe in legalization. MAYBE decriminalization, but i'm not really sure how i feel about that, either. While these things would be great for intelligent people who know how to weigh out consequences and stuff, i think it really would be a huge problem on the general populous. I mean, face it, kids DO try drugs and stuff because of the rebelious nature of it. Maybe thats not why you continue to do it, but realistically thats why most of us started. So if smoking weed isn't rebelious, then we're gonna have to move onto something else. Granite, the fact that someone with a half ounce can get in more trouble than a child molester is an absolute travesty, that doesn't mean leagalization is the answer. How about some community service? Taht's enough to stop you from WANTING to get in trouble, but it isn't absurdly harsh, and plus the a lot of stoners need to get off their behinds and go outside anyway
I'm sure pot would still be illegal for kids, but I don't necessarily think legalizing it is a good idea either. Decriminalizing, sure, I'd love that.
I guess it depends on the reason you do it. I never did it b/c it was rebellious or thought it was "bad" - hell, my parents did it. And alcohol is perfectly legal, while kids still consider it rebellious to get sh*tty drunk.
But seriously, it really is more of a spiritual experience for me. It's a great way to bond and relax with friends. And if we don't want the government to tell us who we are, we certainly shouldn't let them tell us we don't have the right to do what we please with a relatively harmless plant.
At the risk of sounding naive, I just don't understand how marijuana can be illegal when there are other substances that are responsible for more crimes and deaths that are legal. I've never taken an active role in trying to get it legalized so I don't know the reasoning as to why it's illegal in the first place.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:39:40 GMT -5
Why I continue to smoke is completely different than why i started. Same with drinking. But like I said before, its not the good decision making people you have to worry about. People tend to forget that most of our country is very dense, not so intelligent people. I was talking to demuzica earlier about how education is the key to everything. If teach people a little mroe about the world around them, THEN maybe we can free things up for them to make their own knowledge-based decisions. But even while i am against most forms of regulation, there's got to be some sort of law. It's similar to lowering the drinking age. Sure I agree taht it shouldnt' be 21, it never SHOUDL have been 21. But if we lower it now, in the short run its going to create SO MANY PROBLEMS. Could you imagine if seniors in high school were able to buy alcohol? I would've been drinking even more even earlier than i did! And taht's hard to imagine. Unfortunately there is too much hypocrisy in our laws, and our culture is so turned backwards that its hard to change it now because so much chaos will ensue for a little while. I dont want to the government to tell me what to do, so I just do it anyway Stick to it in the privacy of your home (and at bonnaroo) and you will be alright.
And just to sort of prove a point, there was a time that Amsterdam literally had FIELDS full of heroid addicts, laying down and shooting up. Its gotten better in the last decade or so, but unfortunately if you give uneducated people tons of choices, they will just make stupid decisions.
At the risk of sounding naive, I just don't understand how marijuana can be illegal when there are other substances that are responsible for more crimes and deaths that are legal. I've never taken an active role in trying to get it legalized so I don't know the reasoning as to why it's illegal in the first place.
The reason it's illegal? Three words: Harry J. Anslinger. I don't have a lot of time to get into it, but there was a lot of propaganda back in the 30's.
Wow! How fast time flies at work when you're not working at all. . . time for lunch. Thanks for the chat, guys, it was great!
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 28, 2006 13:44:30 GMT -5
demuzica said:
At the risk of sounding naive, I just don't understand how marijuana can be illegal when there are other substances that are responsible for more crimes and deaths that are legal. I've never taken an active role in trying to get it legalized so I don't know the reasoning as to why it's illegal in the first place.
I agree that it shouldn't have ever been made illegal. Or, better yet, maybe alcohol should be illegal too! (Not that i'd ever want that, of course.) Like I said before, there's jsut too much hypocrisy, and everything is a web of lies at this point so its practically impossible to fix it without creating lots of problems at least for a little while. And politicians by nature can't think any further than their term, so its hard for them to have any urge to do these things. And then think about other things. Its impossible to test if MJ is still effecting your body, so how are they going to work DUIs? And then what about, say, teachers? There would then still have to be tons of professions that would have to drug test you, because there's no way parents would let their kids be taught by "reefers." It would just create so many problems. Simply just saying its illegal unfortunately simplifies a lot of things.
Thanks moonsky, I'll try to read up on it because it is something I'm interested in. And now that you mention it, I do remember seeing old propaganda about it, but in a humorous fourm.
It's a shame politicians can't (won't) think past their term, I think it speaks volumes about who they really are and what their real intentions are.