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Interesting. I don't think the White Stripes will close, even though they are pretty popular. Their sets just don't last long enough, just doesn't really seem to make sense they'd headline. They could be a good pre-headliner to get people to stick around, they are billed pretty high.
I still think WSP is gonna be headlining Sunday. However, the festival has listed thursday, WSP has headlined before plenty, AND they're listed to be playing at 8pm when they'd start their headlining gig. We'll see.
^^That's kind of my other point. WSP is kind of a polarizing headliner that many people would skip if they were on Sunday.
Actually, I think Superfly counts on people leaving early Sunday to avoid a crush when people roll out Monday morning. They seem to place popular acts up against each in the schedule to move people around Centeroo, so I would guess it would be the same for headliners.
Post by valiumsoup on Feb 15, 2007 12:34:48 GMT -5
watch out, I think that is just a generic time listing for myspace. No way WSP is playing on Thurs. But hey, it would be different, and I wouldn't mind eating my words!
Post by unplugdacusticaz on Feb 15, 2007 12:42:50 GMT -5
Have WSP ever played a Bonnaroo where they haven't headlined?? Hell, they played two f'in sets a few roos back! I can almost guarantee they're closing this festival out.
Post by happytrails on Feb 15, 2007 13:41:09 GMT -5
unplugdacusticaz said:
Have WSP ever played a Bonnaroo where they haven't headlined?? Hell, they played two f'in sets a few roos back! I can almost guarantee they're closing this festival out.
I had considered WSP the "home team" at Bonnaroo until last year. I read Friday on my space but my heart says Sunday.
The Police have already been confirmed for Saturday night. So absolutely no Tool or WSP on Saturday. I hope Tool Friday and WSP Sunday. The Police Website has them playing Saturday night.
WSP is kind of a polarizing headliner that many people would skip if they were on Sunday.
A couple points to make. Superfly/AC have put on 7 festivals, 5 Bonnaroo's, 2 Vegoose's. WSP has closed 3 of them, Trey has closed 2 of them, and The Dead/Phil has closed 2 of them. There is absolutely no chance in my mind that they do not stick with tradition and have a jamband headliner close out the event.
Secondly, I really don't think it bothers the promoters if some people leave early sunday. They expect having Panic headline will bring more than enough Widespread Panic Fans to hit their target number for ticket sales. They only sell 4 day passes, and by the time it gets to sunday, the festival is already winding down. It has made it's money off ticket sales, and is beginnning to shift into "shut down" mode on monday.
Post by heavymetaldrummer on Feb 16, 2007 17:37:45 GMT -5
Regarding The White Stripes: I may be overly technical here, but if the website is accurate and the White Stripes are playing Sunday the 17th, wouldn't that include the possibilty they would be starting after midnight on Sunday morning? In other words, isn't it possible that the White Stripes could be a Saturday late night act while listing the date as playing on Sunday? The band isn't exactly conventional (and I love that about 'em), so maybe listing the 17th for what is really a late Saturday spot was cleverness on their part.
generally, the date listed encompasses the late night shows as well. So any band listed for saturday, could be anywhere from noon on Saturday to late night Saturday. I can't remember an instance where a band slated to play late night listed their date for the follwoing day.
WSP is kind of a polarizing headliner that many people would skip if they were on Sunday.
A couple points to make. Superfly/AC have put on 7 festivals, 5 Bonnaroo's, 2 Vegoose's. WSP has closed 3 of them, Trey has closed 2 of them, and The Dead/Phil has closed 2 of them. There is absolutely no chance in my mind that they do not stick with tradition and have a jamband headliner close out the event.
Secondly, I really don't think it bothers the promoters if some people leave early sunday. They expect having Panic headline will bring more than enough Widespread Panic Fans to hit their target number for ticket sales. They only sell 4 day passes, and by the time it gets to sunday, the festival is already winding down. It has made it's money off ticket sales, and is beginnning to shift into "shut down" mode on monday.
All true. Tradition makes it likely that WSP would close. I totally agree. I'm 75% sure that you're right BUT in 3 points, I'll state what the other 25% of me says:
1) Superfly for the first time chose to list 4 dates. Everyone knows Thursday always been an unofficial start date, but I don't think we should overlook that significance.
2) There are a ton of almost headliner acts playing making it more and more likely that at least one or two of those acts plays on Thursday. This extends to the comedy tent where we know Comedians of Comedy will likely end up on top of three headlining comedians and who knows who else.
3) Back to the Radiohead comment, I honestly think Radiohead's generic listing had far more to do with the tour they were about to embark on than anything else. We know they had trouble getting that Chicago date nailed down and we also know they were in talks to play a free show in Union Park that was denied because of a previous engagement the city had to keep. Given the timing of the Chicago shows around Bonnaroo, I imagine the uncertainty of their play date had a little to do with the uncertainty of their stop in Chicago.
i personally think eveyrone is blowing the thursday date listing WAY out of proportion. You have to remember, ROO has ONLY announced 3 headliners in every single press release, meaning tradition will likely be kept with the 3 headlinging slots.
i posted this to another thread but think it applies here
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Thursday night music evolved b/c after 2002 they quickly realized they needed to give the kids INSIDE the festival on thursday night something to do. But they also didn't want to make it so big that people outside would be pissed off they were on the outside. You have to remember, traffic lasts from Wednesday night to Friday Morning.
Up until 2006, the artists on Thursday were unannounced acts. 2006 was the first year the acts playing Thursday were actually on the artist list. In 2006, and every year prior, pretty much every band on thursday night have been relatively unknown, obscure, or an otherwise small act. Thursday has really been used as a launching pad for smaller artists who need recognition.
I think we will continue to see this pattern with Bonnaroo. Having a headliner on thursday DEFEATS the purpose of the Thursday music. IT forces everyone outside to want to be INSIDE on thursday night, as well as takes away from the lesser known bands who in recent years have gained some status in the scene from their performances (see PGroove and Toubab Krewe).
One last thing, I think they added the Thursday date to the dates because it truly is part of the festival, and needs recognition as such. It also shows people who are not familiar with Roo that, like 10k and Wakarusa and such, the festival is actually 4 days, not 3.
i personally think eveyrone is blowing the thursday date listing WAY out of proportion. You have to remember, ROO has ONLY announced 3 headliners in every single press release, meaning tradition will likely be kept with the 3 headlinging slots.
Once again, to be fair, they've only announced ONE headliner with every press release: The Police. Of course, it's implied and everyone knows that Tool and Widespread Panic will headline. But The Police are the top bill act, and most press releases I read named the White Stripes before Tool or Widespread Panic (even though I highly doubt they will headline). So while I once again agree with you that it's highly likely that there will only be three headliners, I still don't see definitive proof you seem to put out with every post that there won't be a fourth. Your reasoning is good, but the proof's not there yet. The door's open for something big, and I think it's a little more realistic to hope for a 4th headliner than it is, say, a Talking Heads reunion.
The other thing I suggest you might be doing is treating Thursday as something precious or traditional. This is a festival that is less than a decade old that keeps expanding and that is obviously more ambitious than some people feel comfortable with. How would having a couple of major acts on Thursday do anything but help BOOST attendance for those acts playing on Thursday night (given none of them hold a headliner spot). Can you imagine how many MORE people would have seen Toubab Krewe if there was a bigger draw to get them in on Thursday? And even if it is unlikely for WSP to headline Thursday night, whose to say with the abundance of potential late night acts on the bill already that you wouldn't see a group like Ween take a spot Thursday late night spot?
A fourth day isn't something to be feared or looked down upon. It's something to be hoped for. And I'm personally hoping for a fourth headliner. My head would explode. It's probably not going to happen. But I'd rather it happen than not happen.
Last Edit: Feb 16, 2007 23:36:55 GMT -5 by dudezer47 - Back to Top
Here's the thing, everywhere you look, you read Tool, The Police and Panic as headliners. Panic lists it on their website that they are headlining. Also, notice they have 3 bands singled out at the top of the list, with everyone below
Now, compare that to the White Stripes, who haven't been announced anywhere as a headliner. Check their listing on their website. It says NOTHING about a headlining slot. Surely, if the White Stripes were Headlining, this would be news to announce.
So, in the end, what you are left with are a bunch of articles that put the White Stripes at the top of the list with the other 3. Why is this? B/c they have been on hiatus. Bonnaroo will be their first show in a few years, and thus, worthy of mentioning first in any write up.
^^^Oh yeah, I totally agree the White Stripes aren't a headliner. I think if there is a fourth headliner, they haven't been announced. The White Stripes would be hard pressed to fill 2 1/2 hours. And they would probably be expected to fill longer than that given Sunday sets have the tendency to be longer.
I'm just pointing out AC/Superfly aren't exactly closing the door to a fourth headliner in their press releases. I've looked everywhere. I'm not talking about band sites either. I'm talking about honest to God press releases. And nearly everywhere I've read, the ONLY band listed as a headliner is The Police. We know Tool and WSP are going to headline. We know the exact day the Police will headline. And it's pretty damn likely Tool will headline Friday. The question to me isn't if the White Stripes are headlining or not. They aren't. It's whether or not WSP listing Thursday on their myspace is like you say, just a general fluke, or if it's a hint that they aren't done with their major annoucements quite yet.
I believe WSP will headline Sunday. I hope they'll headline Thursday because that means maybe Dylan or Young or someone we haven't even mentioned would close out the fest. And I disagree with you that adding a headliner on Thursday would somehow undermine Thursday as an exposure day for young acts.
Last Edit: Feb 16, 2007 23:53:16 GMT -5 by dudezer47 - Back to Top
The ONLY year a headliner has not been on the initial list was 2003, when Neil Young was announced in a subsequent addition. I think it's safe to say we have our 3 headliners, and there will not be a 4th, especially by looking at the Panic tour page, who is the most seasoned vet of this festival and in tight with the boys in charge.
i just don't see it happenning. I've been to enough roos think they that they aren't gonna f*ck with the plan. Thursday really is the "getting in" day. 90% of the crowd arrives on thurday. Believe me, they DO NOT want the Panic kids arriving wednesday and lining up, so as not to be stuck in line on thursday night. It's the official start to the fest, but not a day that is Can't Miss. I just don't see that changing. Not this year, not any year. IT's too much. It would drastically effect the way the fest is run, and the boys in charge have run it too well to drastiscally change things.
it'd be great. i live in memphis and am in manchester wednesday night every year. i do this specifically to beat the rush. This is exactly why I don't think it'll happen. I've witnessed the thursday rush too many times.
After discussing potential healineing scenarios over brews with some fellow Rooians we decideded that potentially the headliners could go something like this...
Fri: Tool/White Stripes double headline...like Umprhey's/Bisco last year Sat: Police Sun: WSP
or you could switch Friday and Sunday....what do you guys think any possiblity of Tool and The Stripes doin up a dual show???
Post by poopzilla33 on Feb 19, 2007 11:39:03 GMT -5
yeah, no doubt in my mind now that it'll be tool friday wsp sunday. but that doesn't rule out the option of them giving us soemthgn amazing on thursday. mayabe a crazy latengiht or bigger acts
a thursday late night would be ideal. last year, the bands lasted until 1 am, the latest they've gone yet. If their is potential for anything major thursday, it would be an expanded night lineup imo.
I am almost convinced Tool is Friday and WSP is Sunday, with the stripes opening up for Panic.
See part of why it's hard for me to believe WSP is for sure playing on Sunday is the Stripes being confirmed for Sunday. That lineup just makes no sense. Am I mistaken or doesn't Superfly usually try to lineup the pre-headliner to make some deal of sense feeding into the headliner? I don't remember a pre-headliner last year who felt severely out of place with the headliner. I mean, I'm sure there's some alternate universe in which The White Stripes would open for Widespread Panic (perhaps only a place called Bonnaroo), but I find it much easier to believe that the Stripes would headline the Which Stage and someone else open for WSP based on fanbase demographics alone...
i think the white stripes on sunday is to keep the crowd that would wake up and leave sunday because they have never heard of wsp. but if they can get them to stay for the stripes they have more time to give money to superfly.
but I find it much easier to believe that the Stripes would headline the Which Stage and someone else open for WSP based on fanbase demographics alone...
Post by steveternal on Feb 20, 2007 10:12:48 GMT -5
I'm with GOUGE here. Not only does it seem that making Thursday into a full day w/ a headliner would upset some people (because it would inevitably mess with their plans), but primarily I feel almost certain that Superfly/AC would capitalize on that major change to the fest and announce that four days means four *full* days, including a fourth headliner. A change that major wouldn't come without fanfare.
And dudezer, I see what you're saying about the unlikely pairing of of TWS and WSP, but consider two things: 1) if they put their biggest ("indie") supporting act right before their jam closer, it would guarantee a greater number of that demographic's attendees staying for the remainder of the festival. That would be a smart move for them. And 2) it's not a stretch to say that the Stripes and Panic actually overlap quite a bit on their musical influences of blues, Americana and classic rock. Imagine, if you will, Jack White coming out to jam with Panic on a couple classic dirty blues tunes. That would make quite an impact on the reputation of both artists, as well as Bonnaroo as a festival to bring creative souls together.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Feb 20, 2007 11:45:06 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i think the white stripes on sunday is to keep the crowd that would wake up and leave sunday because they have never heard of wsp. but if they can get them to stay for the stripes they have more time to give money to superfly.
