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Post by msfelithatsme on Mar 26, 2007 21:14:44 GMT -5
do you mean its silly and immature because you already know that many 16 year olds who read that book end up thinking they are just like holden?
when i read it in 12th grade my professor told me that it is one book that should be read every year because as you age you read into different parts that you hadnt thought deeply about before.
ive read it at least 3 or 4 times now. most recently about 2 years ago at the pool in florida in one sitting. i would have never been able to do that at 16.
I was half in love with her by the time we sat down. That's the thing about girls. Every time they do something pretty, even if they're not much to look at, or even if they're sort of stupid, you fall half in love with them, and then you never know where the hell you are. Girls. Jesus Christ. They can drive you crazy. They really can. ~J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye, Chapter 10
Sex is something I really don't understand too hot. You never know where the hell you are. I keep making up these sex rules for myself, and then I break them right away. Last year I made a rule that I was going to quit horsing around with girls that, deep down, gave me a pain in the ass. I broke it, though, the same week I made it - the same night, as a matter of fact. ~J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye, Chapter 9
Sorry, I know this was not the point of the thread but these are just too classic!
Post by lizardking0729 on Mar 26, 2007 21:52:11 GMT -5
Definitely a classic book, it is perfectly normal to feel like Holden...why do you think Salinger wrote the book??? He knew that people would relate to it, and as msfelithatsme said, you read it differently at different ages and I totally agree. I read this book in 10th grade and felt totally different about it then as compared to now, it is a must read every year...also a must read if you are planning to assassinate someone appearantly (Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley, etc)
...also a must read if you are planning to assassinate someone appearantly (Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley, etc)
Ya know -- I've never found this to be that odd. The book sent me reeling in a big way and I'd definitely say it helped to jumpstart a series of events that may, or may not, have changed the entire direction of my life. Does it sound a little extreme? Well, yeah, I suppose, but you really can't account for perception. It hit me like grenade.
Holden narrates in a cynical and jaded voice. He finds the hypocrisy and ugliness of the world around him almost unbearable, and through his cynicism he tries to protect himself from the pain and disappointment of the adult world. However, the criticisms that Holden aims at people around him are also aimed at himself. He is uncomfortable with his own weaknesses, and at times displays the exact phoniness, meanness, and superficiality of the people he says he despises. Holden fails to view himself as the child that he is.
It relates to trying to grow up too fast and being insecure about who you are. Your perception will change as you "live", whatever that means. As you grow, I feel that we all have insecurities within ourselves, regardless on how we appear on the outside and to others. Our "knowledge" gained through life experiences is what change our perceptions and help us deal with our insecurites in our own way, humor, anger, solitude etc. Your views on the world do not really evolve based on your experiences and perceptions of others. All I can say is that you need to remain open and soak in all you can. Make your own decisions, but make sure they are educated and that you are able to defend them intellegently. Views are not silly or immature, only if they are not founded in a "just because."
"Chicago is known as the Windy City, and Montana is called the Big Sky State, so I think that we should somehow combine the two to create the ultimate kite-flying experience. "-Mitch Hedberg
Post by maerzlreay on Mar 26, 2007 22:40:53 GMT -5
volsfan said:
Holden narrates in a cynical and jaded voice. He finds the hypocrisy and ugliness of the world around him almost unbearable, and through his cynicism he tries to protect himself from the pain and disappointment of the adult world. However, the criticisms that Holden aims at people around him are also aimed at himself. He is uncomfortable with his own weaknesses, and at times displays the exact phoniness, meanness, and superficiality of the people he says he despises. Holden fails to view himself as the child that he is.
It relates to trying to grow up too fast and being insecure about who you are. Your perception will change as you "live", whatever that means. As you grow, I feel that we all have insecurities within ourselves, regardless on how we appear on the outside and to others. Our "knowledge" gained through life experiences is what change our perceptions and help us deal with our insecurites in our own way, humor, anger, solitude etc. Your views on the world do not really evolve based on your experiences and perceptions of others. All I can say is that you need to remain open and soak in all you can. Make your own decisions, but make sure they are educated and that you are able to defend them intellegently. Views are not silly or immature, only if they are not founded in a "just because."
"Chicago is known as the Windy City, and Montana is called the Big Sky State, so I think that we should somehow combine the two to create the ultimate kite-flying experience. "-Mitch Hedberg
Post by lizardking0729 on Mar 27, 2007 7:52:15 GMT -5
aquariumdrunk said:
lizardking0729 said:
...also a must read if you are planning to assassinate someone appearantly (Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley, etc)
Ya know -- I've never found this to be that odd. The book sent me reeling in a big way and I'd definitely say it helped to jumpstart a series of events that may, or may not, have changed the entire direction of my life. Does it sound a little extreme? Well, yeah, I suppose, but you really can't account for perception. It hit me like grenade.
Ya know -- I've never found this to be that odd. The book sent me reeling in a big way and I'd definitely say it helped to jumpstart a series of events that may, or may not, have changed the entire direction of my life. Does it sound a little extreme? Well, yeah, I suppose, but you really can't account for perception. It hit me like grenade.
Agreed, Karma For You
Backatcha!
I didn't kill or attempt to kill anyone, so it's all gravy, right?
Post by famousblueraincoat on Mar 27, 2007 14:56:25 GMT -5
I'm inspired. Time to read it again.
I read it for the first time when I was 16, ten years ago. Loved every word of it, and haven't picked it up since. It'll be interesting to see how I relate to Holden ten years later.
Catcher in the Rye is one of my favorite books and had some of the most important life lessons Ive ever learned. I think every high school age person should be required ot read this book atleast once throughout their high school career and be taught it by a qualified, competent teacher. Luckily I had a greaet teacher at the time I read the boo kand I feel I got the most out of that book than I have any other piece of required reading. How cool would it be if JD Salinger came out of his hole and did a live reading of Catcher in the Rye as one of the cafe acts?...
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 27, 2007 17:37:55 GMT -5
I think i'm the only person who did not much care for this book. Actually, a majority of my ap class didnt really like it. It just didnt do it for me, i didnt feel it was a strong enough novel for knowing the main character was doomed from the start.
^ a lot of my class didnt like but for the more ignorant reason of Holden being "annoying" to them by using phrases like "that kills me" and words like "phonies" a lot.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 27, 2007 18:51:01 GMT -5
Yeah, thats why a majority of most people dont like it, but thats why i said ap. ;D Not trying to sound snobby or anything like that, just that ap students generally arent bothered by having to read, unlike most of the people who found holden "annoying", or pretty much any other character they have to read about in school.
Post by confusedsince81 on Mar 27, 2007 18:57:44 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
Yeah, thats why a majority of most people dont like it, but thats why i said ap. ;D Not trying to sound snobby or anything like that, just that ap students generally arent bothered by having to read, unlike most of the people who found holden "annoying", or pretty much any other character they have to read about in school.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 27, 2007 19:01:24 GMT -5
Jees dude, what is your problem. You are really the only person who has a problem with me. I always make it clear that things i say are just my opinion, and not fact.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 27, 2007 19:09:21 GMT -5
Well if you hadnt of said it in a previous thread thats what i'd have taken it as. I seriously do not think i sound snobby or all knowing. I'd have to guess atleast half my threads have the phrase "i think" in it.
Post by confusedsince81 on Mar 27, 2007 19:11:28 GMT -5
just cause you say i think, in your threads doesn't mean you don't come off a little snobby and all knowing, but once again this is just my opinion. It's not really a big deal, like i said im just giving you a hard time
Post by confusedsince81 on Mar 27, 2007 19:12:14 GMT -5
confusedsince81 said:
just cause you say i think, in your threads doesn't mean you don't come off a little snobby and all knowing, but once again this is just my opinion. It's not really a big deal, like i said im just giving you a hard time
how do you like the punctuation in that...............lol
whats the fun in that?