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It was a toll booth but im sure the police can set up road blocks anywhere they want. I mean shit is illegal and you cant complain about being busted but some of the stories i am reading are just straight screwed up.
Be smart people and dont start the party til you are in the Roo.
Im sure though they wouldnt be able to stop people in the middle of the interstate just for a wrongful drug check, but if they wander dogs around cars waiting to pay tolls, the people cant help it. EZpassers didnt get stopped
THe biggest thing is not to let them search your car without a warrant. Never consent
Which brings me to an interesting question. Does anyone know how drug dogs affect probably cause? Can a dogs bark really be considered a legitimate reason to search ones stuff on the spot, or would they still need a warrant? I mean I know they are trained and all, but it IS a dog!
Sorry to sound like a dick, but apply intellect this year people. Don't blaze in your cars on the way down. If you have to smoke, hit a rest area and smoke out before getting in your car. Keep things put away WELL.
Things are changing around this country whether you like it or not, and it isn't a positive shift.
If police pull you over, technically they could pull you out of the car and beat the hell out of you - NO warrant - and no one would really care because no one pays attention to the news of concert goers who say they were mistreated by police. You would be another arrest statistic at a concert. If they find so much as a hemp seed in your car, they now have legitimized the entire thing in the eyes of "officials". It's possible that you fight the good fight and try to eventually sue them, and your case will drag on for 5-10 years and you'll still most likely lose because the very US Supreme Court you'd be asking for help rules against the common man at any opportunity.
Post by sparklybecca on Jun 8, 2006 10:21:59 GMT -5
uneven said:
Sorry to sound like a thingy, but apply intellect this year people. Don't blaze in your cars on the way down. If you have to smoke, hit a rest area and smoke out before getting in your car. Keep things put away WELL.
Things are changing around this country whether you like it or not, and it isn't a positive shift.
If police pull you over, technically they could pull you out of the car and beat the hell out of you - NO warrant - and no one would really care because no one pays attention to the news of concert goers who say they were mistreated by police. You would be another arrest statistic at a concert. If they find so much as a hemp seed in your car, they now have legitimized the entire thing in the eyes of "officials". It's possible that you fight the good fight and try to eventually sue them, and your case will drag on for 5-10 years and you'll still most likely lose because the very US Supreme Court you'd be asking for help rules against the common man at any opportunity.
Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
THe biggest thing is not to let them search your car without a warrant. Never consent
Which brings me to an interesting question. Does anyone know how drug dogs affect probably cause? Can a dogs bark really be considered a legitimate reason to search ones stuff on the spot, or would they still need a warrant? I mean I know they are trained and all, but it IS a dog!
If the dog sits down by your car (that's what they do when they smell something), the Po-Po now have probable cause for a warrentless search, with or without your concent. A recent Supreme Court ruling affirmed this. Sniffing the air around your person or vehicle is not considered an unreasonable search anymore.
Unless you are being detained against your will. You are not required to sit around while cops get a dog to smell the outside of your car. If you are not being detained you have the right to leave. But you need to ask first. Check my Flex your rights link.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 8, 2006 10:44:19 GMT -5
See, i find something very wrong with the fact that a dog has the same power as a judge in the sense of allowing searches. And Jason, what Flex your rights link are you referring to?
Post by melikecheese on Jun 8, 2006 10:57:55 GMT -5
mikede said:
Im sure though they wouldnt be able to stop people in the middle of the interstate just for a wrongful drug check, but if they wander dogs around cars waiting to pay tolls, the people cant help it. EZpassers didnt get stopped
Yes they can and they already do it. I have seen stops like this in Virginia. They let our family right through but they had many cars stopped and were searching cars.
Post by famousblueraincoat on Jun 8, 2006 12:02:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the police would be perfectly within their rights to walk a dog up and down the side of the interstate while we were parked waiting in line to get into the festival. That's how few rights we have.
Post by bohemianboy on Jun 8, 2006 12:11:39 GMT -5
Now, I know dogs have REALLY good noses, but how good are they? I mean they aren't allowed to let the dogs IN the car (unless they are part of the private Bonnaroo checkpoint, but i dont think they are). I'd imagine you'd have to have a good amount of stuff on you for the dogs to get it through the car right?
I've been to the past two bonnaroos and have had no hassles from anybody, not cops or bonnaroo staff. Just be smart and respectful and you shouldn't have any problems.
Hopefully we can rely on southern hospitality--we ain't in Kansas folks!
Welcome to the Right America Thats why we all Left!
I would also like to point out that there were 15,000 for Wakarusa, 75,000 at least for Roo (safety in numbers ) . I think Manchester would be pissed if all their money got arrested.
Both years I've attended, I've had no problem with cops before we got in or after. When they checked the cars last year we saw a bunch of bottles and bags on the ground but the guy that checked us sayed he wouldn't take our glass bottles because we're from Wisconsin. All he asked of us was to attened the STS9 show with a bunch of others from the dairy state.
you know, every time police tangle with me, i find it always a good move to put a 5 spot in their shirt pocket, pat it a couple of times and say "abe can make all this go away, right" while winking.
everything is considered probable cause now a days...
That's right. Cause you never know who might be a terrorist. The gov't knows what they're doing. Don't ask questions. Just ablige to the unlawful searches and phone tapping. It's all in the name of freedom and liberty people. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!