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^^^BOO!!! Take your kitty to the vet when you can. My old Roomie waited 3 days to take her cat to the vet when he had that, and on the 4th day, he passed away. No idea why. (she was a SHIT pet owner btw). Her cat was 4 yrs old. Only 4. hope your kitty feels better soon!!!
CKS!!! I hope you feel better lovely!! Take those drugs girl!!!
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Muscle relaxers are great. They will help more than the pain meds believe it or not. The pain meds make you feel good, but only cover up the problem. The MRs take care of the problem.
Post by popsicle sarah on Sept 2, 2012 9:44:36 GMT -5
Death.
I've had to deal with more death this year than in any of my almost 32 years. I've watched so many people that I love lose people they love. My heart is broken for everyone who is hurting around me.
The love of my life lost his grandfather this week.
My mom's best friend passed last night and even though it was not unexpected, she is devastated.
My granny is getting sicker. Now she's in isolation for some sort of bowel infection she picked up in the hospital. She probably won't be with us much longer.
Death is the toughest part of this life. I wish I could take all the pain away.
^^^BOO!!! Take your kitty to the vet when you can. My old Roomie waited 3 days to take her cat to the vet when he had that, and on the 4th day, he passed away. No idea why. (she was a shiz pet owner btw). Her cat was 4 yrs old. Only 4. hope your kitty feels better soon!!!
Thank you! Took Rufio to the vet yesterday morning. With meds and rest he should be back to normal.
So... question: how does one repsond/react to learning that after 8 years of being at one's job, the 2 most junior people in one's office were actually hired (1 year ago) at a starting salary equivalent to what one is currently making? When they had no prior experience at the time of their hire date? BTW - both men. both married. veteran in question = single female.
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So... question: how does one repsond/react to learning that after 8 years of being at one's job, the 2 most junior people in one's office were actually hired (1 year ago) at a starting salary equivalent to what one is currently making? When they had no prior experience at the time of their hire date? BTW - both men. both married. veteran in question = single female.
Grr.
Welcome to the world of being a female It totally sucks.
So... question: how does one repsond/react to learning that after 8 years of being at one's job, the 2 most junior people in one's office were actually hired (1 year ago) at a starting salary equivalent to what one is currently making? When they had no prior experience at the time of their hire date? BTW - both men. both married. veteran in question = single female.
Grr.
This actually happened to a coworker at a previous job. He had been there 4-5 years when I started. After I had been there about a year, we talked salary for some reason. We found out that I actually made a little bit more than he did an hour. Needless to say, he got a little pissed and talked to HR who then rectified this. The culprit was that they changed the base pay rate for new hires in the 4-5 years between our hiring, and they never went back and adjusted the pay rates of existing employees accordingly.
P.S. That guy turned out to be a total d*ck who screwed me out of a job when I first tried to leave that place by lying about me when they called him (he was my supervisor at the time).
So... question: how does one repsond/react to learning that after 8 years of being at one's job, the 2 most junior people in one's office were actually hired (1 year ago) at a starting salary equivalent to what one is currently making? When they had no prior experience at the time of their hire date? BTW - both men. both married. veteran in question = single female.
Grr.
Would your HR group provide any support? I know our HR manager would consider it to be a legal risk and would want it rectified.
So... question: how does one repsond/react to learning that after 8 years of being at one's job, the 2 most junior people in one's office were actually hired (1 year ago) at a starting salary equivalent to what one is currently making? When they had no prior experience at the time of their hire date? BTW - both men. both married. veteran in question = single female.
Grr.
Would your HR group provide any support? I know our HR manager would consider it to be a legal risk and would want it rectified.
I think it's possible. Reviews are coming up next month, so that's when we generally discuss salary/raises, etc. Then they go into effect Jan. 1. We're not talking small peanuts either. Closer to like, 20-25% more. Chico - what do you suggest? What would your HR manager say? Just curious.
Dave - I want to "like" and "dislike" your post all at one time. It would be great if this was just some glitch that they didnt rectify the existing employee rates when they increased the new hire rates... but i suspect there is more to it than that.
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Would your HR group provide any support? I know our HR manager would consider it to be a legal risk and would want it rectified.
I'm going to step on my feminist soapbox for a moment and ask: why should Mayo have to reach out to HR and have to raise the question in the first place? Shouldn't a comparable salary have been offered BEFORE these new people were hired?
Why should Mayo have to raise hell just to get what she DESERVES as a valuable employee?
Dave - I want to "like" and "dislike" your post all at one time. It would be great if this was just some glitch that they didnt rectify the existing employee rates when they increased the new hire rates... but i suspect there is more to it than that.
My job automatically increases anyone who was earning base pay within each pay grade when they update the pay grades no matter who the employee is. I was actually a little bitter when it happened, because, at the time, I had received a small promotion/raise only months before. With the bump that others received, I wasn't really making that much more than people directly below me
EDIT: This is more in response to Dave, not Mayo. Give Mayo her money.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Why should Mayo have to raise hell just to get what she DESERVES as a valuable employee? /end rant (maybe)
^ Why should she have to raise hell? Because gender inequality is the norm. This is a sad reality that isn't likely to change anytime soon. Mayo shouldn't have to demand equal compensation. In a perfect world, women would be paid in accordance with their skills/experience and education.
The only thing that's worse is the pay (or lack thereof) in academia. In my previous career as an HR recruiter, I'd hire IT folks whose terminal degree was a high school diploma, and they'd start out in the low-$40s. That was over 10 years ago; comparable starting salaries (for both genders) are nearly double that these days around here with no degree required. My colleagues (whose terminal degrees are PhDs for which they are saddled with exorbitant student loan debt!) are lucky to earn low- to mid-$40s. This is at the collegiate level, people! Don't even get me started on how horrid the pay is for lowly adjuncts & lecturers.
I'm certainly not diminishing the importance of the IT field or begrudging those with handsome salaries, but it's a travesty that educators are compensated so poorly. Rant away, JHo...just don't expect anything to change.
^^^It's true JHo. Had I not overheard/been told the information, I would have just gone on in my little bubble thinking that the two newer employees were making similar to what I made years ago. While it's frustrating that I have to raise hell to get what I believe I deserve, it's the sad effing world we live in.
I also know that with marriages, you get a raise and promotion here. With new children, you get raise and promotion here. And actually know that a superior told a woman who was being let go, "Well, your husband is the primary breadwinner. So you will be fine." So it's even more frustrating that because I have no husband, and no children, it's assumed that I don't require any more income every year.
I'll probably talk to my sup first. But I will def push that it's brought to HR's attention.
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Oh, I know it won't change but it just irritates me to no end. I feel that it's especially "the norm" in the South, where women aren't expected to be the salary-earners. They are supposed to be wives and mothers, not successful business people.
If Mayo hadn't learned this about her fellow employees, would any sort of action have been taken? Would HR have brought it up to her? Her bosses?
Would your HR group provide any support? I know our HR manager would consider it to be a legal risk and would want it rectified.
I'm going to step on my feminist soapbox for a moment and ask: why should Mayo have to reach out to HR and have to raise the question in the first place? Shouldn't a comparable salary have been offered BEFORE these new people were hired?
Why should Mayo have to raise hell just to get what she DESERVES as a valuable employee?
/end rant (maybe)
Oh, I agree 100%. Mayo shouldnt have to bring this up. If pay scales get out of line her manager should be the person to bring up the disparity and to get it rectified.
But the truth is that often managers dont want to rock the financial boat. They dont want to say, we need to give this person more money because that's what the job is paying now. And when they dont have the balls to say something about what is right, someone has to do it and it will need to be the person being treated unequally. It's total crap and results in an uncomfortable and unsafe work environment.
Would your HR group provide any support? I know our HR manager would consider it to be a legal risk and would want it rectified.
I think it's possible. Reviews are coming up next month, so that's when we generally discuss salary/raises, etc. Then they go into effect Jan. 1. We're not talking small peanuts either. Closer to like, 20-25% more. Chico - what do you suggest? What would your HR manager say? Just curious.
Dave - I want to "like" and "dislike" your post all at one time. It would be great if this was just some glitch that they didnt rectify the existing employee rates when they increased the new hire rates... but i suspect there is more to it than that.
Will the review be with your supervisor only or will HR be involved in that process?
I'd suggest handling it outside of the review so it's not looked upon as a raise but rather a correction. Remember to document document document. If you have a conversation with your supervisor, write up a quick summary via email and send it saying, "Here's what we talked about. Did I leave anything out?" The person with the best documentation will be the one that wins.
If Mayo hadn't learned this about her fellow employees, would any sort of action have been taken? Would HR have brought it up to her? Her bosses?
No way it would have come up. No. Way. In fact, last year, I was told that I had "one of the higher percentage" raises in the office. I smiled and said thanks, but in my head I thought, "Does the chemistry degree on my wall insinuate that I don't know how MATH works? Percentage, smer-mentage."
JHo, lets just go get rich hubs, be trophy wives and crank out some babies. Then I'll at least have money to keep more than condiments in my fridge.
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Will the review be with your supervisor only or will HR be involved in that process?
I'd suggest handling it outside of the review so it's not looked upon as a raise but rather a correction. Remember to document document document. If you have a conversation with your supervisor, write up a quick summary via email and send it saying, "Here's what we talked about. Did I leave anything out?" The person with the best documentation will be the one that wins.
Supervisor only. No HR for the review. But pursuant to that - I will bring it up as a correction, outside of the review.
If there is ONE thing i've learned in this place, it's document document document. Thanks for that Chico. You bet your bippy I'll document.
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If Mayo hadn't learned this about her fellow employees, would any sort of action have been taken? Would HR have brought it up to her? Her bosses?
No way it would have come up. No. Way. In fact, last year, I was told that I had "one of the higher percentage" raises in the office. I smiled and said thanks, but in my head I thought, "Does the chemistry degree on my wall insinuate that I don't know how MATH works? Percentage, smer-mentage."
JHo, lets just go get rich hubs, be trophy wives and crank out some babies. Then I'll at least have money to keep more than condiments in my fridge.
I will happily marry and subsequently divorce a rich man. I could definitely use the money.
Will the review be with your supervisor only or will HR be involved in that process?
I'd suggest handling it outside of the review so it's not looked upon as a raise but rather a correction. Remember to document document document. If you have a conversation with your supervisor, write up a quick summary via email and send it saying, "Here's what we talked about. Did I leave anything out?" The person with the best documentation will be the one that wins.
Supervisor only. No HR for the review. But pursuant to that - I will bring it up as a correction, outside of the review.
If there is ONE thing i've learned in this place, it's document document document. Thanks for that Chico. You bet your bippy I'll document.
Also, do you have an EAP? They will probably have some good advice on these things.
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LOL. Employee Assistance Program. It's tied to our benefits. You call and they answer questions etc. Most of them are about HR things or how to manage personal issues. I could call and ask what advice they'd have.
Oh, I know it won't change but it just irritates me to no end. I feel that it's especially "the norm" in the South, where women aren't expected to be the salary-earners. They are supposed to be wives and mothers, not successful business people.
If Mayo hadn't learned this about her fellow employees, would any sort of action have been taken? Would HR have brought it up to her? Her bosses?
I guess our place is not the norm. HR would have brought it up to her supervisor at our place and asked for rectification. We classify everyone by a category and a grade within the category. There is a range within each of those that correspond directly to years of experience and education or certifications. Then it's tied to the location of workplace. I know it's not a perfect setup but it does enable me to ensure that people who do the same job with the same quals get paid the same. And every year HR is required to review all this prior to annual reviews in case a bump is required for someone. Technically, it should be illegal for me to ignore the HR and labor dept codes and pay someone less for doing the same work. As it should be.