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Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 14, 2012 16:39:18 GMT -5
Here's the video I was talking about regarding media coverage of shootings. Some of it may not really apply here but it's still interesting to think about:
I think that that involves some connection between what is senseless and more concrete things, like a face and a history of the monster that did this.
Unfortunately these types of incidents only seem to inspire other monsters.
I don't necessarily agree, but I respect your opinion. If somebody has it in them to do something like this, they will eventually do it. They are not sitting around waiting on inspiration or a reason.
What I don't get is how anyone could be against a National mental health program (yes funded by our tax $) that both identifies and gives actual real help to people with serious mental health issues.
I think that this could be the best thing towards an actual solution to this. It's finding the problem then finding the solution and I think you're right about this. Maybe this would work.
"I have told my sons that they are not under any circumstances to take part in massacres, and that the news of massacres of enemies is not to fill them with satisfaction or glee."
"I have also told them not to work for companies which make massacre machines, and to express contempt for people who think we need machinery like that."
-KV, Jr. -Slaughterhouse-Five
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jesus...just found out about some deranged quacker in china that stabbed 22 kids with a knife today.
Yea, I've seen some people use that as a way to prove that even without guns there will be violent acts.
The difference here is that the 22 kids who were attacked with a knife are all going to live the rest of their lives. Using a gun is way more destructive and makes it to easy to kill.
Sure...there will always be violent acts....but we don't need to make it so easy to murder. I know that getting rid of ALL guns or making them illegal won't stop this kind of tragedy from happening again but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try something to fix this problem.
it's easy to murder get drunk get behind the wheel and anything cxan happen yet we dont put those murders in jail 4 life . Or the txters who die or cause others to die.
it's easy to murder get drunk get behind the wheel and anything cxan happen yet we dont put those murders in jail 4 life . Or the txters who die or cause others to die.
Huh? I understand the words you are saying but I don't see how it's connected to a man who intentionally gets a gun and mows down a bunch of small kids.
it's easy to murder get drunk get behind the wheel and anything cxan happen yet we dont put those murders in jail 4 life . Or the txters who die or cause others to die.
Huh? I understand the words you are saying but I don't see how it's connected to a man who intentionally gets a gun and mows down a bunch of small kids.
Where be thou well-regulated militia if we are going to have a half assed Constitutional debate about guns?
If we are going to keep a legally archaic clause be approached without context to modernity (like say the fact that a gun know can hold more rounds then the founders could probably contemplate) - we might as well bring it to the absurd. The intention of a weapon is to injure or kill -- are you saying a tool used for injury should not be regulated.
Especially since the NRA gets carte blanche on gun laws???
I have to get this out and this seems as good a place as any.
I'm tired of hearing this crap that it is the wrong time to be talking about gun control or mental health services or anything else for that matter. IMHO this is exactly the time that this conversation must begin. We have become so desensitized as a nation that if something does not happen now then nothing will. Sure. we'll all talk a good game and speak of it in a whisper but nothing will change. We'll get distracted by the holidays or a Kardashian or Honey freakin' Boo Boo and nothing will change.
These children could easily have been my children or yours. If we truly want to honor the memories of these children then we must act so that something like this can not happen again. Whether that means federal gun laws or full funding for mental health services something has to change.
God I hope I did the right thing, telling all three boys about what happened today. I did a bunch of research and a lot of it was saying NOT to tell kids under the age of 9 or 8. I decided that all my boys would see it or hear it eventually and, as with stuff like sex, I would rather them at least hear it from me first and be able to ask questions before they saw it on the news or heard it from older kids at school.
It was hard and not at all fun but they asked good questions (why are you crying if you didn't know any of them? can this happen at any school - even ours?) and it felt like the right thing.
But who knows? Nobody told me there'd be days like these.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Dec 14, 2012 23:10:21 GMT -5
^omg, katbur, I was just coming to get those exact same sentiments off my chest!! That's amazing- you said almost verbatim how I feel right now.
It is long past time for us to get pissed as a people about this. It is time for some serious discussions. Let the families grieve, that the communities mourn, and the rest of us need to get off our lazy donkeys and DO SOMETHING for quack's sake. Long overdue. I am so damn fed up with this country and its madness. I heard the same things over and over again that now is not the time to make this a political debate. The personal is political and damn right it's time.
I really don't want to get involved in a political debate. But I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents:
Gun control can only do so much, and I don't think it's the answer. That's a small band-aid on a huge wound. What we should really focus on is improving mental health care/awareness, poverty, and all the other social issues that cause these acts. Making guns illegal wont make them disappear just like making drugs illegal doesn't make them unavailable.
Gun control can only do so much, and I don't think it's the answer. That's a small band-aid on a huge wound. What we should really focus on is improving mental health care/awareness, poverty, and all the other social issues that cause these acts. .
I really don't want to get involved in a political debate. But I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents:
Gun control can only do so much, and I don't think it's the answer. That's a small band-aid on a huge wound. What we should really focus on is improving mental health care/awareness, poverty, and all the other social issues that cause these acts. Making guns illegal wont make them disappear just like making NO NO WORD!!! illegal doesn't make them unavailable.
I agree that gun control has its limits but it is part of the solution. Availability and for lack of a better word, intensity of the weaponry is certainly something that can be changed.
You're absolutely right about mental health issues. Over the last 20 years we have closed institutions to send people to "community supports" but the dirty little secret is that the community can not usually support the seriously mentally ill without a lot of money. Sorry, I know we're not supposed to "throw money at a problem" but that's the truth.
Gun control can only do so much, and I don't think it's the answer. That's a small band-aid on a huge wound. What we should really focus on is improving mental health care/awareness, poverty, and all the other social issues that cause these acts. .
Or...you know...ban assault weapons? It's ludicrous this country hasn't had a ban since 2004.
Edit: Not that I don't agree with your point. Just, like itm said, it's not like it's one or the other. Making it EXTREMELY easy to access weapons is a huge issue as well.
God I hope I did the right thing, telling all three boys about what happened today. I did a bunch of research and a lot of it was saying NOT to tell kids under the age of 9 or 8. I decided that all my boys would see it or hear it eventually and, as with stuff like sex, I would rather them at least hear it from me first and be able to ask questions before they saw it on the news or heard it from older kids at school.
It was hard and not at all fun but they asked good questions (why are you crying if you didn't know any of them? can this happen at any school - even ours?) and it felt like the right thing.
But who knows? Nobody told me there'd be days like these.
More power to you. I decided not to have the conversation and feel like a little bit of a wimp. Hope they deal with it alright.
Taking action besides talking and complaining... that requires effort. And Americans don't like to put in effort or changing the status quo. Which means we end up with more mass shootings. I'm still shocked something like this happened in Newtown, Connecticut of all places.
It doesn't help when you have groups like the NRA advocating for more guns anywhere and everywhere, ALEC working on behalf of the military industrial complex and gun retailers like Walmart to keep lax gun laws, private insurance companies which lobby to prevent a more comprehensive and affordable health care system for everyone.
We can't ban guns, but we should keep better track on who is having them and who shouldn't. We need to educate more on gun safety. And let's face it, our culture sucks. Society sucks. We have tens if not hundreds of thousands in America who believe that solving their problems requires putting someone else in a casket. Unacceptable. We also need a nationalized health care system - which cares for treating people rather than making as much money as humanly possible and disregarding people who need serious help. And money out of the political system, so lobby groups like the NRA and ALEC don't bribe our politicians into looking the other way and letting anything go for the sake of making truckloads more money.
Oh, and the second largest pro-gun lobbying group in America (only behind the NRA) is based out of Newtown, their HQ is just three miles from Sandy Hook. I don't think they will be too popular in the 06470 right now.
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Post by wannaberoo'ing on Dec 15, 2012 8:42:13 GMT -5
Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it.
Last night, Piers Morgan stated that in 2008, there were 12,000 U.S. gun-related murders. In Japan, that same year, there were 11. I think he said in the UK, there were less than a 100. The exact numbers aren't really necessary- the numbers are so disproportionate, for me, it is mind boggling.
Just some numbers I wanted to share. Simple searching of gun violence in America yields some jaw-dropping figures.
To say that we need gun control in America is a truism. To say we need to reevaluate our cultural values and moral strength in this country is an absolute as well. We value violence in this society. We put entertainment above education, above the arts; we hold celebrities and athletes in much higher esteem than teachers and humanitarians. Our principles and beliefs and identities are operating from technology and television rather than from real human relationships and our connection to a higher purpose, a greater good. We have lost our communities, with that our ability to recognize when someone needs help, such as a mentally disturbed individual, and we don't actively help one another each and every day. We are all caught up in the shiny new larger America driven by a materialistic identity to compete and to stay behind closed doors.
It is an unraveling of cultural constructs that has brought upon this epidemic of massacres. Our cultural basis, our common set of morals, has deteriorated at an alarming rate since the 1950's. I see America on a rapid decline. The things we think are important in this country I can't understand.
This is a story from earlier in the year that I still can barely comprehend what it says about the US, but it shows that there is another way.
German police officers fired a total of 85 bullets in 2011, 49 of which were warning shots, the German publication Der Spiegel reported. Officers fired 36 times at people, killing six and injuring 15. This is a slight decline from 2010, when seven people were killed and 17 injured. Ninety-six shots were fired in 2010.
Meanwhile, in the United States, The Atlantic reported that in April, 84 shots were fired at one murder suspect in Harlem, and another 90 at an unarmed man in Los Angeles.
"Our police officers are no thugs in uniform," Lorenz Caffier, interior minister of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, said at a press conference Tuesday. "It is gratifying that the use of firearms by police officers against people is declining," Caffier added.
Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it.
Last night, Piers Morgan stated that in 2008, there were 12,000 U.S. gun-related murders. In Japan, that same year, there were 11. I think he said in the UK, there were less than a 100. The exact numbers aren't really necessary- the numbers are so disproportionate, for me, it is mind boggling.
Just some numbers I wanted to share. Simple searching of gun violence in America yields some jaw-dropping figures.
To say that we need gun control in America is a truism. To say we need to reevaluate our cultural values and moral strength in this country is an absolute as well. We value violence in this society. We put entertainment above education, above the arts; we hold celebrities and athletes in much higher esteem than teachers and humanitarians. Our principles and beliefs and identities are operating from technology and television rather than from real human relationships and our connection to a higher purpose, a greater good. We have lost our communities, with that our ability to recognize when someone needs help, such as a mentally disturbed individual, and we don't actively help one another each and every day. We are all caught up in the shiny new larger America driven by a materialistic identity to compete and to stay behind closed doors.
It is an unraveling of cultural constructs that has brought upon this epidemic of massacres. Our cultural basis, our common set of morals, has deteriorated at an alarming rate since the 1950's. I see America on a rapid decline. The things we think are important in this country I can't understand.
Taking action besides talking and complaining... that requires effort. And Americans don't like to put in effort or changing the status quo. Which means we end up with more mass shootings. I'm still shocked something like this happened in Newtown, Connecticut of all places.
It doesn't help when you have groups like the NRA advocating for more guns anywhere and everywhere, ALEC working on behalf of the military industrial complex and gun retailers like Walmart to keep lax gun laws, private insurance companies which lobby to prevent a more comprehensive and affordable health care system for everyone.
We can't ban guns, but we should keep better track on who is having them and who shouldn't. We need to educate more on gun safety. And let's face it, our culture sucks. Society sucks. We have tens if not hundreds of thousands in America who believe that solving their problems requires putting someone else in a casket. Unacceptable. We also need a nationalized health care system - which cares for treating people rather than making as much money as humanly possible and disregarding people who need serious help. And money out of the political system, so lobby groups like the NRA and ALEC don't bribe our politicians into looking the other way and letting anything go for the sake of making truckloads more money.
Oh, and the second largest pro-gun lobbying group in America (only behind the NRA) is based out of Newtown, their HQ is just three miles from Sandy Hook. I don't think they will be too popular in the 06470 right now.
Wal-mart is actually where this guy was denied a gun just days before the shooting. Just saying, not much can be done to stop someone like this. Us humans want to believe we can control more things than we can.
Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it.
Last night, Piers Morgan stated that in 2008, there were 12,000 U.S. gun-related murders. In Japan, that same year, there were 11. I think he said in the UK, there were less than a 100. The exact numbers aren't really necessary- the numbers are so disproportionate, for me, it is mind boggling.
Just some numbers I wanted to share. Simple searching of gun violence in America yields some jaw-dropping figures.
To say that we need gun control in America is a truism. To say we need to reevaluate our cultural values and moral strength in this country is an absolute as well. We value violence in this society. We put entertainment above education, above the arts; we hold celebrities and athletes in much higher esteem than teachers and humanitarians. Our principles and beliefs and identities are operating from technology and television rather than from real human relationships and our connection to a higher purpose, a greater good. We have lost our communities, with that our ability to recognize when someone needs help, such as a mentally disturbed individual, and we don't actively help one another each and every day. We are all caught up in the shiny new larger America driven by a materialistic identity to compete and to stay behind closed doors.
It is an unraveling of cultural constructs that has brought upon this epidemic of massacres. Our cultural basis, our common set of morals, has deteriorated at an alarming rate since the 1950's. I see America on a rapid decline. The things we think are important in this country I can't understand.
Our set of morals have DECLINED?? We have eliminated racial segregation, expanded marriage rights in some states, and given some basic rights to animals. A few gun crazies don't define America as a whole, sorry... In general, societies across the globe have become more ethical, not less.
I would say it is going up and down at the same time. We as a society have made advances as you say Kiko ... but then we've become numb towards violence and seemingly find it acceptable people die on a regular basis for no real reason.
Also in the news: 50 shots fired in a California mall parking lot, a gunman shoots three before being taken out by a cop in a Birmingham AL hospital, a triple murder east of Birmingham, a high school basketball game in Cincy with shots fired. We heart violence in this country.
And Walmart is still the #1 gun retailer in the country, and they want to sell as many of those suckers as possible. So they stopped some loonie kid in Danbury, they probably sold a hundred more guns yesterday alone across the country.
One thing about gun death rates, when you compare a country that allows guns to a country that does not allow guns, the country with guns will have more GUN related deaths. If it is not a gun, it will be a Knife, or a stick or a bomb, I do not think any kids lived from the Day Care in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma in 1995.
Paul D. Ice 42 Midwest City
It is not Guns, it is the sick Quacks and we are to blame. We want to know every detail, tell us how he did it, tell us about his background, why did he do it, who is he? By the end of the day we all know his name, but we will never remember one of the names of his victims.
Allison N. Wyatt 7/03/06 female
Look at the media and what they tell us, what sells! It is quacking disgusting! You want to be famous, kill someone. You want to live in infamy, you want people to never forget you, then go shoot up a school or bomb a federal building or bring your bow-n-arrow to Times Square in NY and start shooting. People will find a way to do harm and we will continue to talk about these people and we will remember their names forever. Morgan Freeman said it best yesterday. How about we not talk about this sick quack. How about we forget the name of that sick quack at Sandy Hook and remember the name of one of his victims. Stop making this quacks famous and house hold names and maybe next time they will just kill themselves and not 28 teachers and students.
Charlotte Bacon 2/22/06 Female
From now on I am not saying the name of these sick quacks and rather will refer to the event by the name of one of the victims and I ask we all do the same.
Maybe. I honestly don't think they will show up. Which is ok because (1) I work during the week and (2) there's tons of rain in the forecast this week. If they do show up, it's less than two hours away and the people in Newtown don't need any more bs - I would like to help out.