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I think it's bullshit hotels won't rent to me because I'm not 21. I'm 20 years old, with a credit card, and I can't rent a room for one night in Baltimore? I wouldn't mind going to a hostel but I'd rather have some privacy at a hotel this time around since my girlfriend is coming along. Sometimes America doesn't make sense.
Wait until you're 24 and it costs twice as much to rent a car than if you were 25. Because I'm going to be more responsible 4 weeks from now.
I think it's bullshit hotels won't rent to me because I'm not 21. I'm 20 years old, with a credit card, and I can't rent a room for one night in Baltimore? I wouldn't mind going to a hostel but I'd rather have some privacy at a hotel this time around since my girlfriend is coming along. Sometimes America doesn't make sense.
Wait until you're 24 and it costs twice as much to rent a car than if you were 25. Because I'm going to be more responsible 4 weeks from now.
Don't even get me started on cars and insurance. I have to pay a higher insurance premium because I have a penis? Makes sense.
Post by abrakapokus on Apr 30, 2014 13:48:02 GMT -5
The POS car I bought last year and that I've poured over $1000 more into is now costing 850-1k more before I can even drive it. That and one of the people from Knox that I was ride sharing and splitting the cost of gas/rental car to Purple Hatters, backed out making the trip much more expensive.
Seems there is a strong possibility I will have to take the NY bar in Albany or Buffalo b/c I'm "out-of-state" despite living literally 19 miles from Madison Square Garden. Grrrrrrrrrr.
The POS car I bought last year and that I've poured over $1000 more into is now costing 850-1k more before I can even drive it. That and one of the people from Knox that I was ride sharing and splitting the cost of gas/rental car to Purple Hatters, backed out making the trip much more expensive.
Seems there is a strong possibility I will have to take the NY bar in Albany or Buffalo b/c I'm "out-of-state" despite living literally 19 miles from Madison Square Garden. Grrrrrrrrrr.
The only thing to do in Albany is get drunk. Luckily, there are plenty if places to do so.
There might even be a show at The Hollow. It might even be free. www.weqx.com has a schedule of shows.
I think it's bullshit hotels won't rent to me because I'm not 21. I'm 20 years old, with a credit card, and I can't rent a room for one night in Baltimore? I wouldn't mind going to a hostel but I'd rather have some privacy at a hotel this time around since my girlfriend is coming along. Sometimes America doesn't make sense.
I wonder why that is? That's the first I've ever heard of it. I rented rooms <18 (way back in the day, obviously). How do they know how old you are?
Mini-bars and local laws. Quite a few hotels have the policy "on the books" but don't enforce it. When you get into some big cities or party-areas though, they've had high-school kids staying overnight for conventions go nuts, and they get more hard-line about it.
Try hotel rooms further from downtown, tell them you're there on a business trip and you'll need a receipt for reimbursement, and they'll usually not worry about the age thing.
EDIT - no tee shirts, if you're pulling that angle. Also, get a blazer and keep it in your car. Throw it on whenever you need to deal with people who give a shiz about age. I look young, that has been my secret to business my entire life, it keep you from dealing with people assuming you don't know what's up.
I think it's bullshit hotels won't rent to me because I'm not 21. I'm 20 years old, with a credit card, and I can't rent a room for one night in Baltimore? I wouldn't mind going to a hostel but I'd rather have some privacy at a hotel this time around since my girlfriend is coming along. Sometimes America doesn't make sense.
Wait until you're 24 and it costs twice as much to rent a car than if you were 25. Because I'm going to be more responsible 4 weeks from now.
I officially change my major, and none of the classes I took correspond with my new requirements. So basically this year of college was for nothing. Awesome.
I spent 3 years in a major I hated and switched to a 5 year Architecture problem AND I'm having to take an extra year.
One year wasted is nothing. I'm going for full on Van Wilder status here
I officially change my major, and none of the classes I took correspond with my new requirements. So basically this year of college was for nothing. Awesome.
I spent 3 years in a major I hated and switched to a 5 year Architecture problem AND I'm having to take an extra year.
One year wasted is nothing. I'm going for full on Van Wilder status here
No exaggeration, my brother did 9 years of undergrad. He switched majors and then ended up with a double major in something like Spanish and journalism. Last I heard (we don't really speak anymore), he was selling real estate and cutting my grandparents' grass for a living.
I spent 3 years in a major I hated and switched to a 5 year Architecture problem AND I'm having to take an extra year.
One year wasted is nothing. I'm going for full on Van Wilder status here
No exaggeration, my brother did 9 years of undergrad. He switched majors and then ended up with a double major in something like Spanish and journalism. Last I heard (we don't really speak anymore), he was selling real estate and cutting my grandparents' grass for a living.
USAA the insurance company. Sign up as a member (you don't have to buy insurance and you don't have to have a family member in the military) and you can rent cars without underage fees plus some really good discounts that normally you have to pay membership fees for (like AAA or costco membership).
I will be at 9 years when I graduate, but I will have two degrees BA in Poli SCI and the Barch.
No exaggeration, my brother did 9 years of undergrad. He switched majors and then ended up with a double major in something like Spanish and journalism. Last I heard (we don't really speak anymore), he was selling real estate and cutting my grandparents' grass for a living.
USAA the insurance company. Sign up as a member (you don't have to buy insurance and you don't have to have a family member in the military) and you can rent cars without underage fees plus some really good discounts that normally you have to pay membership fees for (like AAA or costco membership).
Ah, I have USAA for my car insurance and did not realize that at all. Not that I have to worry about underage fees for anything at this particular time in my life, but I should probably start checking things for discounts through USAA before I make significant purchases. I knew there were supposed to be a bunch of benefits to having it, but I never really bothered to check out what they were.
I will be at 9 years when I graduate, but I will have two degrees BA in Poli SCI and the Barch.
And I'm guessing you might actually put at least one of your degrees to use instead of spending 9 years in college and then going on to start a career for which your college was entirely irrelevant.
Ya that was the plan when I switched to Architecture. When I realized I would of hated my life going to Law School the PoliSci degree became basically useless so I switched into something that would give a unique set of skills that might actually get me a job
Ya that was the plan when I switched to Architecture. When I realized I would of hated my life going to Law School the PoliSci degree became basically useless so I switched into something that would give a unique set of skills that might actually get me a job
A wise decision. Even if you would have loved it, law school is a giant waste of time and money in the current job market. (Except for for me, but I was willing to move anywhere in the country to get a job, and even with that, I think I was partially just really lucky.)
Ya that was the plan when I switched to Architecture. When I realized I would of hated my life going to Law School the PoliSci degree became basically useless so I switched into something that would give a unique set of skills that might actually get me a job
Maybe don't fret so much about the degree tying into the career; I have enjoyed a decent career in finance and I took zero business, finance, our accounting classes in higher learning environments.
Of course, I am kind of a Jack Of All Trades type, King Of None. Retail Sales; Janitor; Cash Register Monkey; Construction; Telephony; Foodserver; Bartender; Inventory Specialist; Banker.
Is you smart? OK, then; you will be fine. Enjoy the ride and where it takes you. Good luck!
Ya that was the plan when I switched to Architecture. When I realized I would of hated my life going to Law School the PoliSci degree became basically useless so I switched into something that would give a unique set of skills that might actually get me a job
A wise decision. Even if you would have loved it, law school is a giant waste of time and money in the current job market. (Except for for me, but I was willing to move anywhere in the country to get a job, and even with that, I think I was partially just really lucky.)
Couldn't disagree more. (At least with respect to the value from in-state tuition. The job market really isn't that bad either. It's all so overblown.).
Post by bansheebeat on Apr 30, 2014 20:16:34 GMT -5
My ex-roommate just graduated with a law degree. He seems pretty optimistic regarding the job options. Sure you wont go straight into your own private practice pulling in 6 figures a year, but it's still a much better degree to have than quite a few others (assuming you didn't but yourself in a lifetime of debt to get it).
A wise decision. Even if you would have loved it, law school is a giant waste of time and money in the current job market. (Except for for me, but I was willing to move anywhere in the country to get a job, and even with that, I think I was partially just really lucky.)
Couldn't disagree more. (At least with respect to the value from in-state tuition. The job market really isn't that bad either. It's all so overblown.).
I looked it up because I thought maybe I was just used to saying that, and my information was out of date, and I'm not against admitting if I'm wrong. There are views that come down on both sides, but none of the articles I saw said that everything was just hunky dory now. And to the extent things are getting better, I don't think they've been improving since 2008. It's only been in the last couple of years that I started to hear much of anything optimistic. It's still an oversaturated market.
My ex-roommate just graduated with a law degree. He seems pretty optimistic regarding the job options. Sure you wont go straight into your own private practice pulling in 6 figures a year, but it's still a much better degree to have than quite a few others (assuming you didn't but yourself in a lifetime of debt to get it).
Yeah, but I think that a lot of people coming out of law school did put themselves in a huge amount of debt. Mine is relatively low, but it's still quite a lot, and my monthly loan payments would easily pay for a shitty apartment (or a relatively nice one is certain cities).
I don't know. Like I said, I was really lucky. And I never really looked seriously for a traditional legal job, so I don't have the firsthand experience, but I do know a lot of lawyers, and quite a few of them had difficulty finding their jobs in the recent past.
My Wednesday night class: I got a 95 on my first exam, and a 48 on the second. Yikes.
Luckily for me, a bunch of others in the class also bombed it. Managed to get enough pity points from that fact to actually get above the passing mark.
US News seems to make its rankings based on very questionable metrics. Level of stress? What if I thrive off of stress? What if I'm a brain surgeon? What about the correlation between high stress jobs and higher pay? And how do we quantify stress? Isn't that a subjective emotion? What if I love the law?
And that article you linked?
But don’t you worry, U.S. News claims that “[t]he job market for lawyers has improved in recent years,” and “an additional 74,800 jobs will need to be filled” by 2022. Upward mobility issues solved, right? Wrong. It’s a pity the editors forgot that more than 40,000 people graduate from law school each year.
For starters, 78,000 "new" jobs doesn't include the vast number of baby boomers who are currently in the process of retiring/ being phased out of the industry. Mind you, that job growth is near the national average according to U.S. News. Second, only 68% of people who took the bar in 2013 actually passed (nationwide). I'm not sure how many of those people re-took after failing once, but the point is that not all people who graduate law school actually pass the bar. Beyond that, a significant amount of law grads who do pass the bar move on to different professions anyway (politics, consulting, etc.).
I do agree with you to some extent about oversaturation of the market. A significant amount of those 40,000 law graduates are from scam schools in the same vein as Phoenix U. Those are really the people who are getting fucked.
US News seems to make its rankings based on very questionable metrics. Level of stress? What if I thrive off of stress? What if I'm a brain surgeon? What about the correlation between high stress jobs and higher pay? And how do we quantify stress? Isn't that a subjective emotion? What if I love the law?
Obviously, stress is subjective, but I don't think that makes it irrelevant to a consideration of best and worst jobs. Sure, there are some people who thrive on stress, but I'd wager that's a pretty small percentage of people. Most of the people I know would prefer to reduce stress, what with all the dying that highly stressed people do. So I don't think it's "questionable" to include stress as a consideration in how to rank a job, as long as you are clear about how you are quantifying it and how it is weighed against other factors. And regardless, stress and work-life balance (another fairly subjective factor) were each only 5 points on the 100-point scale used to rank the jobs, with 10-Year growth volume, 10-Year growth percentage, median salary, job prospects, and employment rate all being weighed much more heavily.
And you know what? No ranking system is going to perfectly rank all jobs for all people. It's all subjective, but on consideration of factors that many people are interested in considering when deciding how they want to spend their lives, being a lawyer ranks pretty low.
But don’t you worry, U.S. News claims that “[t]he job market for lawyers has improved in recent years,” and “an additional 74,800 jobs will need to be filled” by 2022. Upward mobility issues solved, right? Wrong. It’s a pity the editors forgot that more than 40,000 people graduate from law school each year.
For starters, 78,000 "new" jobs doesn't include the vast number of baby boomers who are currently in the process of retiring/ being phased out of the industry. Mind you, that job growth is near the national average according to U.S. News. Second, only 68% of people who took the bar in 2013 actually passed (nationwide). I'm not sure how many of those people re-took after failing once, but the point is that not all people who graduate law school actually pass the bar. Beyond that, a significant amount of law grads who do pass the bar move on to different professions anyway (politics, consulting, etc.).
First, it says 74,800, not 78,000. I realize that 3,200 is a relatively small amount when you are talking about that high of a number, but maybe if you're going to make an argument about something, you should try to be accurate with what you are saying to support that argument.
Second, the reference was to 74,800 by 2022, and if you looked at the actual job ranking and review, you'd have seen that it's 74,800 between 2012 and 2022, so over a period of 10 years, or an average of 7,480 per year in a job market where "more than 40,000 people" are graduating with law degrees every year. And while there are always people retiring, I don't see in the article where it explains what constitutes an "additional" (not "new," even though you put quotes around "new" when you said it - again, I know that "new" and "additional" mean similar things, but if you're going to put something in quotes, maybe put the actual word that you are quoting) job. Maybe it doesn't include people retiring, but maybe it does. But even if it doesn't, lets round down your 68% bar-passage figure, and say that 60% of the 40,000 graduates are looking for jobs. That's 7,480 "additional" jobs, and 24,000 "additional" attorneys each year. I'd call that a pretty significant gap.
I do agree with you to some extent about oversaturation of the market. A significant amount of those 40,000 law graduates are from scam schools in the same vein as Phoenix U. Those are really the people who are getting fucked.
I'm not really sure what your point is here. I have no idea how many law graduates are from "scam schools." I would venture to guess that you don't either, as you just said a "significant amount."
US News seems to make its rankings based on very questionable metrics. Level of stress? What if I thrive off of stress? What if I'm a brain surgeon? What about the correlation between high stress jobs and higher pay? And how do we quantify stress? Isn't that a subjective emotion? What if I love the law?
Not taking a side since I didn't go to law school, but I do agree with this. I work in a college admissions office and we despise the US News rankings. The only reason why we even look at it is because we know other people will and bring it up to us.
And I'm super sorry about her car, Gibran. And to think I've been a little moody about someone who sideswiped my car a bit while parked in Brooklyn this weekend...
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
US News seems to make its rankings based on very questionable metrics. Level of stress? What if I thrive off of stress? What if I'm a brain surgeon? What about the correlation between high stress jobs and higher pay? And how do we quantify stress? Isn't that a subjective emotion? What if I love the law?
And that article you linked?
But don’t you worry, U.S. News claims that “[t]he job market for lawyers has improved in recent years,” and “an additional 74,800 jobs will need to be filled” by 2022. Upward mobility issues solved, right? Wrong. It’s a pity the editors forgot that more than 40,000 people graduate from law school each year.
For starters, 78,000 "new" jobs doesn't include the vast number of baby boomers who are currently in the process of retiring/ being phased out of the industry. Mind you, that job growth is near the national average according to U.S. News. Second, only 68% of people who took the bar in 2013 actually passed (nationwide). I'm not sure how many of those people re-took after failing once, but the point is that not all people who graduate law school actually pass the bar. Beyond that, a significant amount of law grads who do pass the bar move on to different professions anyway (politics, consulting, etc.).
I do agree with you to some extent about oversaturation of the market. A significant amount of those 40,000 law graduates are from scam schools in the same vein as Phoenix U. Those are really the people who are getting fucked.
I feel the issue is more that people put themselves in too much debt, than the job market. If you can get some scholarships, work through school, and avoid having $50,000 in student loans, then you have a lot more job options upon graduation, because you don't need to demand a huge salary.
You can take much less stressful jobs, things closer to your field, jobs that are more prestigious or skill-building, if you're not having to chase that mega-salary offer.
I feel a very real schism between wanting to go totally bohemian and wanting to go corporate. I want adventure, but I want security. I want to be able to do money-costing things. I want to not be in so much student loan debt. I need to do things to make my life less boring.
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