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Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 29, 2007 16:47:47 GMT -5
Ya know, I actually didn't even realize it was the anniversary. Thank you for the reminder.
It's amazing how quickly and tragic something like that can happen. Makes you think how silly it is to take life for granted.
edit: I just watched a documentary on HBO about Katrina. All political comments aside, all I can say is these people have gone through more struggles than I could ever imagine. Much karma to all those who are still persevering.
Post by oatmealschnappz on Aug 30, 2007 14:21:11 GMT -5
I usually despise Spike Lee but, that documentary was something else! It just doesn't get anymore depressing and unnecessary than what those people had to go through! Shit, what those people are STILL going through!
Post by oatmealschnappz on Aug 30, 2007 14:26:14 GMT -5
oleander124 said:
oatmealschnappz said:
Now, if only there was a dress-code in place.
Yes. Because that's the most important thing going on right now.
Exactly! If those people had been dressed properly, not only would god have spared them his full wrath but, everything would be nice and orderly by now.
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Post by oleander124 on Aug 30, 2007 14:39:28 GMT -5
oatmealschnappz said:
Exactly! If those people had been dressed properly, not only would god have spared them his full wrath but, everything would be nice and orderly by now.
Nevermind the thousands of people without a home or living in squalor with no hope for help. I'm worried about seeing some underpants, dammit. We gotta stop that pronto!
Ya know - I knew what yesterday was - I lived through it - by the time Katrina roared through Jackson (3 hours from the coast) she was still a Cat 1 Hurricane - We were lucky - we only went without power for about 1.5 days. My parents were without power for almost a week and I had dozens of friends with no power and damaged homes in Jackson. Our friend Mo - who lived with his mother in Pascagoula - lost almost everything. He stayed at our house alot because being in a cramped hotel room with your mom and two dogs is not fun week after week.
edited to add - his mother just moved back into her renovated home about 1 month ago (it has taken that long to get the funding and have the work done - FEMA just picked up her trailer a couple of weeks ago)
I know exactly where I was that day - Boz called me at work around 10 a.m. and told me to leave work - go get the kids and go home and stay put because it was getting really bad outside. (at this point, the baby was only 4 months old) I got the kids - went home and cranked the AC down LOW so that the house would be really cold because I knew there was no hope that we would keep power. We lost power around 3 p.m. that afternoon. Boz was still not home - I stayed in the living room with all three kids on the floor on blankets around me because it was roomier then the hallway and only had one window that could possibly break.
It was a really really long night. And my experience was notihing compared to the people trying to evacuate from the coast or those that had already made it as far as Jackson and were sleeping on the floor of the Mississippi Coliseum.
I hope we never see another one that bad (although I am sure we will and I hope we - as a country - have learned from Katrina)
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 15:20:07 GMT -5 by Meg - Back to Top
the scary thing was that even though they call it 'the worst case scenario" it was only a cat 3. who knows what would happen if a cat 5 ever comes that route. i feel for all the people in that area but im kinda against rebuilding in such an area. why should taxpayers that choose to not live in flood plains or hurricane paths be subsidizing all of these others living in a perfect climate? maybe they should start subsidizing the money i have to pay to the neighbor kid to shovel my drive. i think winter sucks. but im not gonna move to an area that is destroyed every couple of decades because its nice and the rest of the country will pay to rebuild. i guess im not talking about everywhere that hurricanes hit because thats an awful wide area. but new orleans is an extreme scenario. it hardly seems worth rebuilding just to be destroyed by another hurricane or global warming and rising oceans in a a few decades. and i would be even less willing to live there or rebuild after seeing how inept the governent is at taking are of things. how could anyone still think its a good idea to build in new orleans? i know there is sentimental value but come on... a little common sense could save some lives and billions of dollars.
All the developement in the wetlands caused there to be more damage than there would have been. NOLA has lost the natural protection of the swamps and the whole area is sinking. It can all happen again.
Post by oatmealschnappz on Aug 30, 2007 16:07:29 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
the scary thing was that even though they call it 'the worst case scenario" it was only a cat 3. who knows what would happen if a cat 5 ever comes that route.
Actually, while Katrina it's self was a cat. 3, where it (winds and storm surge) hit New Orleans, the effects were only comparable to a cat 1 storm. Now that's a scary thought becuase that scenario WILL be played out again, and probably sooner than later.
(EDIT! I meant cat 3 NOT cat 5. SORRY)
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 17:21:43 GMT -5 by oatmealschnappz - Back to Top
it makes you stop and think about how this happened. it seems convenient for the rich people. it got rid of all the poor people and now the big developers can pickup the land for pennies on the dollar. once again its yet another catastrophy that seems completely preventable and unnecessary other then the fact that its extremely beneficial to the rich and powerful. that seems to be a pattern here in america.
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 16:25:59 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
Post by oatmealschnappz on Aug 30, 2007 16:28:29 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
it makes you stop and think about how this happened. it seems convenient for the rich people. it got rid of all the poor people and now the big developers can pickup the land for pennies on the dollar. once again its yet another catastrophy that seems completely preventable and unnecessary other then the fact that its extremely beneficial to the rich and powerful.
According to the Spike Lee documentary, the government actually blew-up the levees before Hurricaine Betsy (1965) specifically in order to flood the Ninth Ward and surrounding areas in an effort protect the more affluent citizens of the French Quarter.
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Post by easymorningrebel on Aug 30, 2007 16:30:10 GMT -5
dude, I thought you didn't pay taxes!
I want N.O. rebuilt for the people who live there!! It's no more wasteful than any other expense tax dollars are used for, without their consent, oh like say an unnecessary war on drugs, terrorism, etc.
its pretty similar to two major attacks on this country that cost thousands of lives that were easy to spot and should have been stopped. and both events enabled the powerful to get us into wars with public support where the lack of public support prevented us from joining the war before these attacks. our government is so shady its insane!
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 16:35:37 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
alyroo
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo Princess of Blinkytown and moonpie expert
What's really sad is that of the ~1800 dead, most died after the storm waiting for Bush to get back from vacation and send in the relief. No military ships or choppers were mobilized before the storm. Hell, a hospital ship was sitting in the Gulf of Mexico for 4 days just waiting for orders to help.
Well, as talk radio informed us, it was their own fault for not leaving (even though most of them were too poor to have a way out.)
BTW, I'm like you Dude. I refuse to work a job where I have to pay taxes while our taxes are being spent in such foolish ways.
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 16:47:55 GMT -5 by troo - Back to Top
alyroo
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo Princess of Blinkytown and moonpie expert
Oh, and y'know that private jet that Al Gore has? That one that everybody's always bitchin' about because of its energy consumption.
Guess who flew in doctors to New Orleans when the feds couldn't... umm, yeah.
i hadnt heard that. that interesting.
and good work troo. if everyone did that the changes everyone wants and have no chance of acheiving through voting could be accomplished in a very short period of time. and they cant arrest everyone.
According to press accounts, former vice-president Al Gore arranged and at least partially paid for the airlift evacuation of 270 patients from Charity Hospital in New Orleans on September 3 and 4, 2005 after being notified of desperate conditions at the facility by Dr. David Kline, a neurosurgeon who once treated Gore's son after an automobile accident. The first group of 140 patients was transferred to Knoxville, Tennessee, while the second group, numbering 130, was airlifted to Chatanooga.
To date, Gore himself has not spoken publicly of these actions.
thats awesome he dosent seek public attention while bush and his cronies are congratulating each other on a job so well done for doing nothing and costing lives.
EDIT-- and by the way all those people that bitch about his private jet would bitch even more if al gore took commercial flights and tied up security at airports for hours and hours. he really has no choice but to take a private jet. im sure the bushs are flying coach on valu-jet.
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 17:12:34 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
alyroo
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo Princess of Blinkytown and moonpie expert
well i like the guy. and he makes the most sense to me. the main reason i really like him is because he has gotten out of politics and has stayed away. otherwise hed still just be a part of this 1 party system. i truly think hes one of the good ones. which would explain why the texas mafia went to such lengths to keep from becoming president eventhough he won. id like to see him run for president again. but only if he does it as an independent or for the green party. if he runs as a dem then ill lose a lot of respect for him.
I want to know WHY is it always about New Orleans????? Katrina wipes out 80% of Mississippi's coastline - we lost lives here also but NOLA gets all the media and the Poor NOLA - we have entire cities and communities on our coast that were wiped out completely!
But no one ever talks about Mississippi - it is always about the poor blacks in the 9th Ward - not much is ever said about the poor white people in Mississippi most of whom had no insurance or whose insurance companies are refusing to pay out citing storm surge as the cause.
Most of the devestation in New Orleans was caused by a failed levee system - the destruction of the Gulf Coast was causeed directly by Hurricane Katrina. We still have thousands of people living in cramped FEMA trailers and they are nothing but targets for another storm that rolls in.
i dont think it has to do with black or white. i think its because poor coastal communities are devestated every time a hurricane comes ashore. nothing new there. people who choose to live there know the risks and choose to live there anyhow. its not every day that an entire metropolis area is devestated. and i think the fact that it was the result of a levee faliure makes it an even larger story.
also i know it was crazy as hell down there at first and im sure that other smaller coastal communities had thier share of neglect. but like you said the white folks are living in fema trailers. in nola alot of the black people are living on the streets.
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2007 20:06:45 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
Wow... I didn't realize Mississippi was hit so hard. All the media ever talks about is NOLA...
Spooky - are you being serious or sarcastic? I can't tell.
if serious - yeah - Waveland, Pass Christian, Point Cadet and several other communities were wiped out and have not been rebuilt. Most of the rebuilding on the Gulf Coast has been casinos.
