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I would hope so, only a sociopath would root for that guy.
He is one of the biggest pieces of scum the league has. He's also the first person I am vehemently against making the HOF.
Bonds was a lock for the HOF before he ever juiced, so with him it's more that he ruined what would've been a Willie Mays-like career. A-Rod could've been special, but when he's juicing at age 23 there really wasn't that much time for him to build up HOF credentials before cheating. At least Bonds' skull didn't grow t*ts until he was in his 30's.
It's not so much "knowing" just that all the evidence favors him being clean. We'll likely never know, but hey, KGj was one of my favorite players ever. I still say that if he hadnt been hurt so much that he would have been the home run king.
It's not so much "knowing" just that all the evidence favors him being clean. We'll likely never know, but hey, KGj was one of my favorite players ever. I still say that if he hadnt been hurt so much that he would have been the home run king.
That's quite the understatement. I took any year he played less than 150 games (which is what I'll deem a "full season's worth" of games taking out 12 for scheduled rest and random bumps/bruises) and using that as the benchmark he missed 509 games. ***
That is 3 FULL seasons worth of games.
Do I think Griffey could have hit 125 home runs and beaten out Hank Aaron before Bonds, and then hit at least 8 more to beat Bond? Considering that 244 of those games came in Griffey's early 30's when many speed/power guys just say "f*ck it" and try to crank out 40+ home runs because they're speed is gone.
Griffey was my favorite player growing up as well. There weren't any Mets worth a sh*t when I was in my formative years unless you want to count Bret Saberhagen, and I don't count him.
***I didn't include his final 3 seasons (2008 - 2010) because he wasn't playing full-time so calculating missed games isn't really accurate.
I would hope so, only a sociopath would root for that guy.
He is one of the biggest pieces of scum the league has. He's also the first person I am vehemently against making the HOF.
Bonds was a lock for the HOF before he ever juiced, so with him it's more that he ruined what would've been a Willie Mays-like career. A-Rod could've been special, but when he's juicing at age 23 there really wasn't that much time for him to build up HOF credentials before cheating. At least Bonds' skull didn't grow t*ts until he was in his 30's.
If all this is true he will come down as one of the biggest liars and cheats in the history of sports next to Lance Armstrong.
Eh, I wouldn't say it was cut short by any means. He's going to be 38 in April, been through a hell of a lot of surgery, has a Cy Young, couple championships. I'd say that's a well traveled career. Not trying to be a d*ck woobs, just saying don't feel too bad for the guy.
I didnt realize he was that old. I was thinking mid 30's. I'm a dummy.
One could make the argument though that if he wasnt ready to retire and wanted to play a few more years then his career was indeed cut short. Either way. Im a dummy
I didnt realize he was that old. I was thinking mid 30's. I'm a dummy.
People always forget he didn't join the Cards until he was 28, and didn't pitch for them until he was 29 (sat out 2003 because of arm/shoulder issues, some sac burst in his shoulder, I believe). He had like 5 years in Toronto before coming to the NL to dominate.
Carp was one of those "ultimate competitor" guys so absolutely he would have liked to play a couple more years. This is really the only way to end his career IMO. He wasn't going to stop until his body stopped on him.
curious as to what you can deduce from me liking a player and that its sad to have a good career cut short?
It wasn't the "sad sad sad," it was you liking him.
And my point was you were seeming to pick and choose which players should be judged by the character and integrity clauses in regards to steroids, so it makes sense to me that you like Carpenter who is unquestionably a d*ckwad.
For the record I'm not glad he's hurt or anything, sucks for anyone that their career has to end that way and I hope he's healthy in retirement. That said, I'm not exactly shedding a tear for the guy.
Carp was one of those "ultimate competitor" guys so absolutely he would have liked to play a couple more years. This is really the only way to end his career IMO. He wasn't going to stop until his body stopped on him.
$25 mil/year, just unreal. And why does Seattle continue to pour money into King Felix and not anywhere else on their roster? Did Felix bang the owner's wife or daughter and never call her again?
They have a team payroll of $71 million this year, Felix's deal would kick in immediately, raising his 2013 salary from $19.5 to $25, so the team has a $76.5m payroll and Felix makes 1/3 of it by himself.
F*ck that team, they better start spending money and doing right by Felix, I don't one of the best pitchers I'll ever see in my lifetime rot away because his team won't spend money elsewhere.
Jesus. I know he's at worst one of the three best pitchers in baseball, but this is just absurd. Jack Zduriencik was so money when he was an assistant to Doug Melvin with the Brewers, but he’s made some curious decisions with Seattle. Gotta feeling he’ll be out after this year provided their offense is terrible again.
Jesus. I know he's at worst one of the three best pitchers in baseball, but this is just absurd. Jack Zduriencik was so money when he was an assistant to Doug Melvin with the Brewers, but he’s made some curious decisions with Seattle. Gotta feeling he’ll be out after this year provided their offense is terrible again.
I mean, value-wise I think it's a good deal. The market for pitchers is going to keep increasing and in 3 or 4 years a $25m annual salary for a 29 or 30 year old pitcher (yes, Felix is still only 26 years old....just ridiculous) who is elite is going to actually be a bargain, probably. Or at least market value.
If he was a free agent it'd be a better deal, but he wasn't. He's just not worth that much money over a seven year contract. There isn't a single pitcher I'd feel comfortable giving that much money to over seven years (or any seven year contact for that matter.) Yes, he's 26 and has been extremely durable for his whole career, but all it takes it was catastrophic injury for the contract to blow up in their face. Just a bizarre deal for a team like the Mariners.
Happy for him though. The Brewers are in Seattle in August and I really want to go out there for the series and see the city for the first time.
If he was a free agent it'd be a better deal, but he wasn't. He's just not worth that much money over a seven year contract. There isn't a single pitcher I'd feel comfortable giving that much money to over seven years (or any seven year contact for that matter.) Yes, he's 26 and has been extremely durable for his whole career, but all it takes it was catastrophic injury for the contract to blow up in their face. Just a bizarre deal for a team like the Mariners.
Happy for him though. The Brewers are in Seattle in August and I really want to go out there for the series and see the city for the first time.
Edit: Whattup nod. Most posts in this thread.
Double edit: Never mind.
That'd be a fun trip, I have a lot of friends from Seattle, it's a cool city.
And don't get me wrong, I think 7 years is too long for a pitcher and what you just described as the worst-case is literally exactly what happened to Johan when he came to the Mets. I actually don't like the deal because it locks Felix into Seattle until he's 33 and can sign with the Yankees as an aging power pitcher whose arm is weakening.
I feel bad for Felix just because I genuinely don't think he grasps the situation he's in. Yes, it's good money, but like you guys have been saying that team is going to waste away under that contract. I don't think he understands that while he gets paid he's going to keep pitching for a mediocre franchise. If he would pursue free agency he has the opportunity for a similar deal (cut back on term maybe) with a much more successful franchise. But like you said Henrik, one of the greatest pitchers of this generation is currently in jeopardy of wasting away in Safeco.
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Am I the only one who thinks he'll be traded to the Yankees about halfway through that deal?
I alluded to the inevitable "King Felix goes to the Yanks after his prime years are over" situation earlier, but I think I just assumed his contract would expire first.
Am I the only one who thinks he'll be traded to the Yankees about halfway through that deal?
I alluded to the inevitable "King Felix goes to the Yanks after his prime years are over" situation earlier, but I think I just assumed his contract would expire first.
Also, I drunkenly stumbled upon that 18 inning marathon for the Carribean league last night. For some reason I thought it was hilarious that Douglas clark, who can't speak a lick of spanish, was the hero in the clutch. I'm giving it until next week for a bronze statue of him to be in the heart of Mexico City.
