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Even if Coachella doesn't care, I can't see Johnny agreeing to put up with Morrissey for a whole tour. It's not like either of them are desperate for money.
I'm skeptical about JT, but if this guy says they are locked in and that's true, then we should get a real leak soon. That being said, highly doubt he has any real information.
Sounds like he got this info from an Uber ride so yeah, super skeptical.
Think we get something to bring in more of the younger crowd with the presales not going quickly and weekend 2 struggling last year.
They’re already doing that with mixed results, if anything they need to do the opposite. Young people don’t have that much money.
I feel like this point needs to be made every few weeks on pretty much every discussion forum. Catering to the 16 year old market will not increase sales. Sure you have Palm High but....their parents can only cover so many tickets.
Now Mid-Twenties Woke Millennial Yuppies, they have disposable income. The problem is that market increasingly listens to Post Malone and FISHER so...yay. (only half joking).
I wonder why Daft Punk never performs, honestly. I think they will start accepting offers when they're out of money.
Thomas Bangalter has tinnitus, so it's possible he (and by association Daft Punk) has stopped performing because of that.
I have tinnitus and still keep going to shows and such despite the ringing. He can def afford treatment and preventative measures. Daft is pretty much “bored” at this point. They have nothing to prove at all after the grammy win. Unless theres incentive and something that excites them, they wont put the helmets back on. But most likely Coachella gets first dibs.
With Ariana bringing out N'Sync last year, it really does leave you to wonder if JT is going to be booked this year.
I guess he could bring out Nelly Furtado and Timbaland instead as previous reports stated last year but it seems like a missed opportunity. (beyonce brought out destiny's child)
Think we get something to bring in more of the younger crowd with the presales not going quickly and weekend 2 struggling last year.
Ed Sheran/Miley Rihanna/Adele Kanye/Jay-Z
Bruno Mars? Elton John? Bruce Springsteen?
Adele, Elton and Springsteen would be the ones that have the strongest case. Adele doesnt want to tour anymore so you figure some one offs will be in the cards. Coachella fits that mold well. Elton with the farewell of course and Springsteen would make all those kids who wear Fleetwood Mac shirts to Coachella switch over. Although he gets a GnR length set and that crowd will slowly shrink after an hour.
I paid an obscene amount of money to see the Rolling Stones tomorrow night, so I'm fairly sure that 2020 is now going to be the year they make it to the Polo Fields.
Post by TickleMeElmo on Aug 21, 2019 13:58:36 GMT -5
I know this forum loves Springsteen but IMO he doesn’t connect with the younger generation nearly as well as other older acts. I just don’t think they give a shit about him.
I know this forum loves Springsteen but IMO he doesn’t connect with the younger generation nearly as well as other older acts. I just don’t think they give a shit about him.
Eh, anecdotally I know a lot of people in their 20s who admittedly don’t go to many festivals but like Bruce a lot.
I know this forum loves Springsteen but IMO he doesn’t connect with the younger generation nearly as well as other older acts. I just don’t think they give a shit about him.
I adore Bruce, am in my late 20s, go with a group of people from college that fluctuates from 40 to 50 people every year, and it's me and one other person who would be excited by it. Another 10 people would check him out if there was nothing going on.
Post by jackalope11 on Aug 21, 2019 14:32:32 GMT -5
FWIW--I'm a 23 year old that's been living on the east coast for 5 years and I gotta say, I've only met people my age on this side of the country that would be incredibly excited by a Bruce Springsteen festival booking. Of course never say never, and I'm sure there are plenty of young fans on the West Coast, but he seems like a way better booking for Bonnaroo, Firefly or Gov Ball if they're trying to move tickets with people my age.
I know this forum loves Springsteen but IMO he doesn’t connect with the younger generation nearly as well as other older acts. I just don’t think they give a shit about him.
Yeah, I think the time for Bruce was 7-10 years ago when bands like The Hold Steady and the Gaslight Anthem were up and coming and Arcade Fire and The Killers were trying to sound like him. I don't see many acts mimicking his sound anymore. I'd probably make it my first time doing both weekends if they were to book him, but it seems unlikely.
Unless, again, Blinded By The Light somehow becomes a sleeper mega hit or something, which is unlikely.
I just think in general they'll stay away from pretty much any "legendary" act anymore. There just isn't the demand or appreciation to justify the price for someone like Fleetwood Mac, Bruce, Neil Young, etc.
The amount of time between Pink Floyd's The Wall and when Roger Waters' performed it in 2008 was 29 years. That's the exact same amount of time between 2020 and The Red Hot Chili Peppers releasing Blood Sugar Sex Magik in 1991.
Point being, the "classic" acts now are your Foos, Pearl Jams, and RHCPs of the world now for a fest like this. I don't think they'll be reaching back any further but would be happy to be wrong.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Aug 21, 2019 14:58:34 GMT -5
I think there’s demand for Fleetwood. I think there’s enough cache in booking some of the others (Stones in particular) that’s its worth doing even if it doesn’t directly translate to eyeballs.
And I still think they should book Dead Co. A lot has change since they landed with a thud at Bonnaroo.
I just think in general they'll stay away from pretty much any "legendary" act anymore. There just isn't the demand or appreciation to justify the price for someone like Fleetwood Mac, Bruce, Neil Young, etc.
The amount of time between Pink Floyd's The Wall and when Roger Waters' performed it in 2008 was 29 years. That's the exact same amount of time between 2020 and The Red Hot Chili Peppers releasing Blood Sugar Sex Magik in 1991.
Point being, the "classic" acts now are your Foos, Pearl Jams, and RHCPs of the world now for a fest like this. I don't think they'll be reaching back any further but would be happy to be wrong.
As a 23 yr old who really doesn’t care for most “classic” acts, I think this would kind of suck and be a mistake
Need some of the older demographic to be interested and special acts make it worth coming to Coachella.
Coachella used to have special headliners, now they seem to be along the lines of most other fests. Their current bread and butter is how deep their lineup is, but those big names help move tickets
Point being, the "classic" acts now are your Foos, Pearl Jams, and RHCPs of the world now for a fest like this. I don't think they'll be reaching back any further but would be happy to be wrong.
I think there's a weird gap in the culture, where bands like Fleetwood or Queen from the 70s are still out there on the radio, getting licensed in movies/TV, and generally known and thought of as iconic/cool, while a lot of 90s bands, like Foos or Pearl Jam have sort of disappeared, and aren't played or licensed very often, or well known to a younger demo. Nobody's making a movie about a world where Pearl Jam doesn't exist, or a biopic of Eddie Vedder.
I think Tool is in the same position, where they're basically invisible or uncool to pretty much everyone who wasn't a fan of hard rock in the 90s. That era of music just hasn't resonated in the same way that most 70s era stuff has. And our whole culture is in a weird kind of time churn, where change doesn't happen as fast. Popular music from 2008 sounds different, but not radically so, but compare music from 1965 to 1975 or 1980 to 1990 and it's far more different
Bruce is in a weird position, where he's more iconic than your Pearl Jams and has a lot of songs that people know, but I do think there's a sense among people from 40 or so down that he's for uncool boomers. The Arcade Fire era revival mentioned above definitely helped, and that's what got me into him in the first place, but it didn't hit everyone, and the actual Blinded by the Light film is both evidence for why he's great, and of the fact that even in 1987, people thought he was lame.
That said, I do think that you'd have said the same thing about Steely Dan in 2015, and there was a lot of "WTF, why did Coachella book Steely Dan?" But, I think them playing the festival, and getting a really enthusiastic response, led to a reconsideration of all their work and a bit of a critical renaissance for the band. But, it's easier to take a flier on someone who's not a headliner, and I don't think that David Byrne got a similarly enthusiastic response.
The biggest thing in favor of Bruce for me is just how amazing his live show is. I left his 2015 show in awe of how anyone could put on a show with that level of intensity for three hours, let alone a guy in his 60s, and I think he'd be able to win over even a tired end of day Coachella audience. Based on recent trends, it seems unlikely, but I think it would wind up going over really well if it did happen.
I think there’s demand for Fleetwood. I think there’s enough cache in booking some of the others (Stones in particular) that’s its worth doing even if it doesn’t directly translate to eyeballs.
And I still think they should book Dead Co. A lot has change since they landed with a thud at Bonnaroo.
Rolling Stones would still do great at Coachella, leagues better than GNR or AC/DC which weren't that long ago. I think Fleetwood would do really well too, but don't think it'd happen without Lindsey back in the fold.
Post by mrjamesmurphy on Aug 21, 2019 17:15:44 GMT -5
My parents own a used record store in a college town. Relatively solid pulse of what old music is "cool" among young hipsters pretending they know the past. In Colorado so we can categorize this as "West" side of the country even though the demo is pretty far from CA.
They can't keep Fleetwood on the shelf. Nor AC/DC. Nor the Stones. Nor Zeppelin. ~$20 for most of their records.
I swear they have ~50 copies of Born To Run sitting in the back room collecting dust at $6 a piece.
Why do people talk about GnR like they were a bust? The crowd was fine, the performance was great, and the festival got a ton of press out of it.
I didn't call it a bust, I was responding to the idea that booking the Stones might not "directly translate to eyeballs" which is both A) silly, and B) clearly not an issue when you look at the crowds for the recently-booked AC/DC & GNR, which yes, were fine.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Aug 21, 2019 17:33:33 GMT -5
My comment wasn’t that Stones wouldn’t draw well, it’s that some of the other legacy types would still be worth doing even if their crowds were only “fine,” just like AC/DC and GNR we’re both fine even if not the biggest crowd of the fest.
Although I did just see the Stones and it was honestly kinda sad. Not Willie Nelson sad, but not sure Id watch a full set at Coachella.
My comment wasn’t that Stones wouldn’t draw well, it’s that some of the other legacy types would still be worth doing even if their crowds were only “fine,” just like AC/DC and GNR we’re both fine even if not the biggest crowd of the fest.
Although I did just see the Stones and it was honestly kinda sad. Not Willie Nelson sad, but not sure Id watch a full set at Coachella.
Ah, then I misinterpreted the "stones in particular" part, my fault. That sucks though. What was sad about it? I've generally read they still have good energy but I've never seen them myself.
personally I just saw the Stones last week in Seattle and I had an amazing time. They were a little slow to get going, first couple songs were a little rough but by the 4th song (Beast of Burden) I thought they hit their stride. They're still a really tight band. Mick obviously can't sing like he used to but he's got an impressive amount of energy and dances ridiculously well for his age. I think a headlining set from them would go over well
My parents own a used record store in a college town. Relatively solid pulse of what old music is "cool" among young hipsters pretending they know the past. In Colorado so we can categorize this as "West" side of the country even though the demo is pretty far from CA.
They can't keep Fleetwood on the shelf. Nor AC/DC. Nor the Stones. Nor Zeppelin. ~$20 for most of their records.
I swear they have ~50 copies of Born To Run sitting in the back room collecting dust at $6 a piece.
Your parents need better inventory planners if they always run out of stock that sells and have 50 copies of a record that doesn't move...