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Post by potentpotables on Jun 28, 2019 6:54:52 GMT -5
We've seen 20 of the 24 (oops, 25, hello Joe Sestak) candidates on stage in a debate like setting. Now you have the choice of 7 of those 25 candidates to proceed to what I'll call the serious debates. Keep in mind this is not the process that the DNC is using. Anyway, you will pick up to 7 candidates, and our debate stage will allow up to 10 of them on the stage (ties will be included if it's up to 10, or dropped if it's more than 10).
Post by potentpotables on Jun 28, 2019 10:10:54 GMT -5
So far (157 votes by 26 voters) a few takeaways:
- Beto is cooked. Drop out, son! Run against Cornyn. - de Blasio's big move didn't register with Inforoo voters. There were lots of words of praise for him, even here, but that isn't translating to support. - Klobuchar, Bennet, Ryan, Swalwell are all sitting members of Congress and haven't gotten a vote, go back to your day jobs! - Our 10 as of this moment, in order: Warren, Harris, Sanders, Buttigieg, Biden, Castro, Inslee, Yang, Gillibrand, Beto.
Was he particularly effective? No. (He also didn't get any favors from the moderators when he tried to interject.) But with all of the candidates drifting farther and farther to the left, I appreciate that he is trying to position himself to the center and towards compromise with the other side.
Do I think he has a chance? No, can't say I do. But after voting for the heavy hitters, I threw him the #7 selection.
Was he particularly effective? No. (He also didn't get any favors from the moderators when he tried to interject.) But with all of the candidates drifting farther and farther to the left, I appreciate that he is trying to position himself to the center and towards compromise with the other side.
Do I think he has a chance? No, can't say I do. But after voting for the heavy hitters, I threw him the #7 selection.
Was he particularly effective? No. (He also didn't get any favors from the moderators when he tried to interject.) But with all of the candidates drifting farther and farther to the left, I appreciate that he is trying to position himself to the center and towards compromise with the other side.
Do I think he has a chance? No, can't say I do. But after voting for the heavy hitters, I threw him the #7 selection.
that's why he sucks.
Can't believe the guy who's got over 3 million invested in the health care industry doesn't want M4A and is willing to "compromise" with the GOP over it.
Was he particularly effective? No. (He also didn't get any favors from the moderators when he tried to interject.) But with all of the candidates drifting farther and farther to the left, I appreciate that he is trying to position himself to the center and towards compromise with the other side.
Do I think he has a chance? No, can't say I do. But after voting for the heavy hitters, I threw him the #7 selection.
that's why he sucks.
Sure, in the early stages / debates / primaries, catering to the extremes is exactly what needs to be done to gather the most active and passionate supporters who lead you to the Democratic nomination. But I think the fundamental question of this election will be if America as a whole embraces the new left agenda. A lot of the views shared by (nearly) all the candidates would have been unfathomable for a Democrat running even four years ago.
I believe running as far left as possible runs a true risk of alienating all of the "forgotten states" that made the difference in the last election. The talking points of changing the narrative of the Democratic party from "the party of elites/Ivy League-ers" to "the party of the working class" was repeated over and over (in not the most eloquent of terms), but as a moderate who's spent his life living in Kansas and Indiana (now NYC), I'm weary of the extreme rhetoric snowballing and building. And later, will the eventual nominee come back to a more centered position or continue to embrace the far left?
To be clear, don't think Delaney has any shot, but I appreciated his sentiments and threw him and his crazy eyes a sympathy vote. It's hard to see this level of gridlock ever resolving issues together, but a man can dream.
It’s interesting to defend centrist Delaney as more palatable to the American public as a whole than the more progressive candidates and in the same post say he has no chance of winning.
It’s interesting to defend centrist Delaney as more palatable to the American public as a whole than the more progressive candidates and in the same post say he has no chance of winning.
I don’t think he’s more palatable to the public and I don’t think he has a chance of winning. But I personally related to the centrist sentiment he displayed & some of his talking points and threw him a vote (behind my 1-6 votes of Harris, Buttigieg, Biden, Castro, Warren, Sanders). I was asked for my rationale (as unsound as it might sound to others) and I stick by it.
My top 3 after the debates: Klobuchar Biden Bennett
I still really like Beto and he's still in my top 5. I don't think he should drop out because of one bad debate performance. After the debates, my impression of Harris went way down. She seemed so angry and petty attacking Biden on something that happened over 30 years ago. I've always thought she was kind of rude and stuck up but now even more so. I also didn't like how she raised her hand when asked about eliminating private insurance (then later backtracked/flip-flopped after the debate). I also thought it was a bad look for Castro to attack Beto. The first time, fine, Beto didn't do his homework, but he just kept going on and on about it after the debates. I was actually starting to like him until that point. Pete, Warren, Booker were okay but they didn't change my opinion of them. I'm not a fan of any of them but I would be fine voting for any of them. I still despise Bernie Sanders & Tulsi Gabbard and would never vote for either of them (in the primary - I would hold my nose & vote for either of them in the general (just because supreme court) although my parents have both said they are voting 3rd party if Bernie wins the nomination because they absolutely will not vote for a socialist, I suspect there are more older voters who feel the same way).
The guy that surprised me during the debates was Michael Bennett. I really had no idea who he was before the debates but I really liked what he had to say and I like how he called out some of Sanders pie-in-the-sky policies without actually attacking him personally. I would like to see more from him although I'm pretty set on voting for either Klobuchar or Biden (depends on who has a better chance of winning by the time Super Tuesday rolls around).
Finally, I miss Hillary Clinton. She was a million times more qualified and well-spoken than any of these candidates and if it wasn't for Russian interference, should would be president right now. She was the perfect presidential candidate and none of these candidates have the experience and know-how that she had. I'm voting for Klobuchar because I've volunteered for her in the past. I know her personally. Her in-laws live right down the street from me. I know her policies and I agree with them. I really like her. However, she still has her flaws. I cringe every time she brags about being from the midwest and how she is the only one who can win Michigan or Wisconsin (Hillary could've won there too if it hadn't been for Bernie-Bros & Russians). The being a mean boss thing also hurt her, although I have a hard time believing those stories at all - it was just a smear campaign that apparently worked.
One last thing. I just want someone to beat Trump in 2020 and seeing the candidates tear each other down is driving me nuts. C'mon Harris. Stop attacking Biden. He's not a racist. It makes you look bad attacking him over something that happened 30-years ago and what good is it going to do? Do you really think someone is going to vote for you instead of Biden just because you called him a racist? WTF! I don't even really like Biden. He's an annoying old white guy, however, he's been in the White House before as VP and is the only candidate with foreign policy experience which is what I think we need right now. That's why he's number 2 on my list.
I am not looking forward to the next debate, especially if it is just the candidates tearing each other down.
Was he particularly effective? No. (He also didn't get any favors from the moderators when he tried to interject.) But with all of the candidates drifting farther and farther to the left, I appreciate that he is trying to position himself to the center and towards compromise with the other side.
Do I think he has a chance? No, can't say I do. But after voting for the heavy hitters, I threw him the #7 selection.
While I don't agree, I understand worrying about the party "moving left". My question is what do you think compromise with the other side would look like? Is there a specific bill that you feel a moderate corporate Dem like Delaney could pass that would significantly help any of the major issues we have at the moment? One the GOP would actually support, I mean.
What in the world makes you think it's even possible? It seems to me it just means we are all held captive either with water-downed legislation or nothing progressive what-so-ever getting done. Essentially repeating what we've gotten for decades, which is next to nothing. Even when something like Obamacare is passed the GOP does everything in it's power to undermine it.
This argument is basically the "better things aren't possible" meme. So when we talk about losing "moderate" voters we shouldn't forget the voters we might lose if we focus on appealing to them. How is any of this inspiring or suppose to bring people to the polls? What kind of future do the Dems have if they can't inspire the youth or earn their loyalty? What kind of future does it have if it continues to be weak on labor? On and on and on.
Edit: Two examples from the last week of who we'd be compromising with. The state GOP in Oregon who's anti-democratic actions including threats of violence against state police by their militant supporters. And this shitbird and his buddies in Florida....
This argument is basically the "better things aren't possible" meme. So when we talk about losing "moderate" voters we shouldn't forget the voters we might lose in their place. How is any of this inspiring or suppose to bring people to the polls? What kind of future do the Dems have if they can't inspire the youth or earn their loyalty? What kind of future does it have if it continues to be weak on labor? On and on and on.
I also voted for Tulsi and Yang, just because we ought to hear more on anti-intervention, anti-imperialism, and the threat of automation to jobs. I appreciate Inslee for putting climate change issues #1, but I think of him more as like a climate czar or EPA director rather than actually president at the moment. I don't think I could have Gillibrand in my top 3, but I find her more interesting presently than say Mayor Pete.
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