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Just got back from our district convention where we voted on delegates to go to the National Convention. Pretty cool process. It's really strange the way the Dem Party apportions delegates Our district got 6 delegates. Hillary won the district by about 55% - 42%. She got 5 delegates and Obama got 1. Stange but it evened out statewide somehow.
Just got back from our district convention where we voted on delegates to go to the National Convention. Pretty cool process. It's really strange the way the Dem Party apportions delegates Our district got 6 delegates. Hillary won the district by about 55% - 42%. She got 5 delegates and Obama got 1. Stange but it evened out statewide somehow.
Wait a sec, how does that work? 55 to 42... and its 5 to 1?
Just got back from our district convention where we voted on delegates to go to the National Convention. Pretty cool process. It's really strange the way the Dem Party apportions delegates Our district got 6 delegates. Hillary won the district by about 55% - 42%. She got 5 delegates and Obama got 1. Stange but it evened out statewide somehow.
Wait a sec, how does that work? 55 to 42... and its 5 to 1?
Yes and in 2004 Clark got about 20% and got 2 delegates. I can't figure it out. I may go to the State Dem Party office and ask for an explaination. I'm sure it's legit and I know the apportionment formula can be weird but I can make no sense of it.
As I said, State wide the percentages were about the same and the delegate count is proportional but I have no how idea how our district was calculated so uneven.
I was searching for information on comparable meetings in Wisconsin. The closest delegate meeting information I found listed a number of counties in the state, with times and places, but zero for my county. I don't think it's a process they exactly want the masses to get in on.
Post by magnoliabread on Feb 24, 2008 1:28:29 GMT -5
For the first time I can recall, there was a blurb in our local paper last month about the opportunities to apply to be Democratic party delegates, but of course it also contained the info that Florida delegates basically wouldn't even have spots at the national convention. Go figure.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Feb 24, 2008 19:30:48 GMT -5
troo said:
Ralph Nader announce that he will once again run for President.
yeah, I heard, great news. Hopefully Democratic voters will turn out in huge numbers and right-wingers in record low ones this year so that this is not a problem.
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 8:42:26 GMT -5
Nancy Pelosi was slated to be some kind of Left wing hero 'til she took up reigns as the Speaker of the House.
If a democrat brokers any power for HIM or HERSELF, they must trade in their morals, convictions, integrity, and TEETH at the door.
Cynthia Mckinney for President. The best kind of Democrat-a FORMER one.
Maybe all you folks who'll blame Nader again will realize that people are tired of voting against Republicans. They wanna vote FOR something. REAL CHANGE does not occur in the old boy network of the two major parties. Cater to the center-alienate the left-then blame them. What a way for a Democrat to run for President.
Maybe all you folks who'll blame Nader again will realize that people are tired of voting against Republicans. They wanna vote FOR something. REAL CHANGE does not occur in the old boy network of the two major parties. Cater to the center-alienate the left-then blame them. What a way for a Democrat to run for President.
Koy: I dare you to find one Obama voter who is voting against the Republican and not FOR Obama.
That's the main reason I (and so many others ) am (are) for Obama. It's great to actually be voting FOR someone and not just against the other side.
I'll make koya's work easy. My primary vote was more anti-Hillary than pro-Obama, and my general vote will be largely the same situation. Head-to-head, I'd say McCain is more experienced and ready for the job than Obama - but I'll still be voting against McCain because there's simply too much baggage associated with his party affiliation. That, and McCain has one of the weakest handshakes I've ever come across. WTF is up with that? I expected better.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 9:22:45 GMT -5
kdogg said:
I'll make koya's work easy. My primary vote was more anti-Hillary than pro-Obama, and my general vote will be largely the same situation. Head-to-head, I'd say McCain is more experienced and ready for the job than Obama - but I'll still be voting against McCain because there's simply too much baggage associated with his party affiliation. That, and McCain has one of the weakest handshakes I've ever come across. WTF is up with that? I expected better.
GOOD. Cuz it wasn't gonna happen as evidence from me. Most sheeple wanna have hope. If they poke too deep, they get labeled angry or conspiratorial. Feingold told us that Edwards was not the real deal. Spouted one way, voted another. But for all the love Feingold gets, few wanted to listen to what he was saying about Edwards. (demonstrated by his supporters largely swinging to Obama after Edwards dropped from the race).
I am voting McKinney because I believe in her. She has demonstrated no fear or cowtowing to either party. A former democrat is the best kind. It is time that we stand up for the process which has been coopted by both parties. Major candidates denied debate by either party brass or major media outlets(one and the same!) ??/How is that a democracy ?
Until we are given the choice between the lesser of two greater evils, we do not have a democracy. A true anti corporate candidate is needed. Has Obama been outspoken about war profiteering ? Didn't think so. That used to be one of the dirtiest ways to make $ even from a Republican standpoint.
Obama is not McCain, they just work for the same people. And it AIN'T us !
McKinney is a hero. McKinney is a populist. Mckinney has demonstrated her commitment to the people. Not by smuggling home pork. But by asking the tough questions.
Please rent "American Blackout ", and find out more about this lady. She is for real.
But she won't be president. However, the more people who vote for her, the stronger the threat to make REAL VALID CHANGE to the coopted definition of democracy.
There is nothing quite as creepy as a limp handshake.
I too could not vote Rep this cycle, no matter who the candidate was, as I feel it would be taken as tacit approval of Rep policies over the last 8 years.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 9:36:00 GMT -5
As if Democratic policies have been anything to speak of !!!!
These clowns have had the tools to dismantle the "values" of the republican party. But they have spent the political capital on wooing $ from corporate investors by not taking the elephant by the horns. They've squandered REAL CHANGE for pocket change.
And that pocket change is considerable. Look at the budgets of many so called democratic or liberal interest groups. Move On.org has made more $ under the Bush Administration than it would have ever hoped to under a democratic admin. Same with the ACLU.
REAL CHANGE = BIG BUCKS Don't worry, the spillage will trickle down. Just keep waiting for that change......
Post by spookymonster on Feb 25, 2008 9:36:02 GMT -5
troo said:
There is nothing quite as creepy as a limp handshake.
I too could not vote Rep this cycle, no matter who the candidate was, as I feel it would be taken as tacit approval of Rep policies over the last 8 years.
I tend to agree, but then voting Democrat would imply forgiveness of their failure to uphold the "end war now" platform they ran on in 2004 and 2006.
Kind of a catch-22, IMHO. Ironically, it makes me want to vote for the candidate most likely to oppose their own party...
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 9:40:43 GMT -5
spookymonster said:
troo said:
There is nothing quite as creepy as a limp handshake.
I too could not vote Rep this cycle, no matter who the candidate was, as I feel it would be taken as tacit approval of Rep policies over the last 8 years.
I tend to agree, but then voting Democrat would imply forgiveness of their failure to uphold the "end war now" platform they ran on in 2004 and 2006.
Kind of a catch-22, IMHO. Ironically, it makes me want to vote for the candidate most likely to oppose their own party...
I'd much rather have you pick a former democrat for that very reason than a repub who opposes his own party and then sucks back up when it's time to garner votes !!!!
That's another reason why I can't do McCain. If he had stuck to his positions of no torture, repeal the tax cuts for the wealthy, pro-choice, moderate the influence of radical christians, no pre-emotive war, etc. I might could have supported him as he was strongly against the last 8 years and would not be seen as a vindication of Bush policies.
But in order to get the nomination, he felt he had to suck up to the Rep establishment and go back on all his "Straight talk". This just reinforces the justification of Bush policies and Rep corruption and politicization of every aspect of life.
McCain, the maverick, is dead and stinking up the place.
The Dems need to get challenged in the primaries, and many are, to show them that we WILL hold them accountable. I'm glad many established Dems who are not listening to the voters are getting primary challenges and getting beat (ie Donna Edwards defeating the incumbent Dem in MD). A Hillary loss could further teach the Establishmant that they are not in control but we ultimately hold power.
Yes, very optimistic, if not idealistic, but one can hope. Yes we can!
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 10:24:27 GMT -5
How have we held them accountable since the "mandate for change" that occurred at the mid terms ? Failed filibusters ? Nancy Pelosi standing in the way of impeachment hearings ? baaaaah
My point is the same. teach the establishment that they are monkeying with THE PEOPLE. But we choose the lesser of two evils, and the establishment laughs until the next election. RIGHT NOW IS THE BIGGEST CHANCE OF SEEING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLINTON AND OBAMA. After the primaries, there will be no use in Obama distancing himself from Clinton. The party will see to it. Pelosi was a MoveOn sweetheart for a time as well. In fact, many of you will be in favor of mending fences within the party so that "work can get done".