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How have we held them accountable since the "mandate for change" that occurred at the mid terms ? Failed filibusters ? Nancy Pelosi standing in the way of impeachment hearings ? baaaaah
My point is the same. teach the establishment that they are monkeying with THE PEOPLE. But we choose the lesser of two evils, and the establishment laughs until the next election. RIGHT NOW IS THE BIGGEST CHANCE OF SEEING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLINTON AND OBAMA. After the primaries, there will be no use in Obama distancing himself from Clinton. The party will see to it. Pelosi was a MoveOn sweetheart for a time as well. In fact, many of you will be in favor of mending fences within the party so that "work can get done".
Seeing as how this is the 1st election since 2006, we'll see how many will be held accountable. There has been a nationwide move to challenge complacent Dems in the primaries and raise money through netroots for truly progressive Dems. IMHO Hillary is losing solely due to her lack of support for the '06 mandate.
The Dem establishment may, in fact, be totally stupid but the I'll continue to fight this "civil war" as I see it as the last best hope. It is a "David and Goliath" fight whether it is fought your way or mine. I empathize with your anger, just not your complete disillusionment.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 25, 2008 11:02:02 GMT -5
Word.
But if I were completely disillusioned, I'd be complacent.
I just think we've given the Dems all the shots they could squander. And the reason they squander ? It is profitable. Are they ALL solely out for profit ? No way. But will most of them throw in the towel and put aside their passions and beliefs and INTEGRITY in order to be re-elected ? You'd better believe it.
That's why we have pre-emptive war. No habeus corpus. Domestic wire tapping. Voting shenanigans. Torture. The largest defecit EVER. An imperial presidency. Record war profiteering. No freedom of information or open energy policy. Etc ad nauseum. And this wasn't just because there was a republican in the white house. Some of the most "liberal" people in politics have dirty hands on such votes if only for the sake of being re-elected.
Cater toward the center for your own sake-and risk losing your base.
Blame doesn't go very far when you stand in front of a mirror.
That, and McCain has one of the weakest handshakes I've ever come across. WTF is up with that? I expected better.
LOL (if you were kidding) OMFG (if you weren't)
You'll have to go with OMFG there - I seriously shook John McCain's hand. He had a primary day rally in Brookfield, a Milwaukee suburb about 75 miles away from me. Since I had already seen Obama, Huckabee, Bill and Hillary Clinton I figured I should see the last major candidate to come to the state. He never came to Madison, and Ron Paul never visited since he "scaled back" his campaign.
At the end of the rally I thought I'd go for a photo op, after narrowly missing Huckabee - whose rally was comparable size and much scarier. So I got into the back of the crowd that was gathering near the stage. So while I was in what I thought was the back of the crowd, I did not realize he was coming my way to do a press availability in the back of the seating area... and I was not too far from the mic they'd just set up. So he came through, greeting supporters on his way to the mic. Since I was between McCain and the mic, I was one of the ones he pressed the flesh with on his way. I said "Thank you for your service and good luck today." (c'mon, gotta respect a vet whether I agree with him or not.) True, he has old war injuries, and yeah, he was shaking right when he appears to be a lefty. But that handshake was the weakest I've ever gotten from anyone outside of diapers. (Then again, I think he's about to re-enter that demographic himself...)
I wound up standing at arms' reach behind Cindy McCain as he did the news availability. I don't actually have a picture of myself with the Senator, but this one from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is the closest I've got. I'm about two people to the left him, the beardy one in the blue USA hoodie. Gotta dress the part when you're at a Republican rally.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Feb 25, 2008 21:49:37 GMT -5
kdogg said:
spookymonster said:
LOL (if you were kidding) OMFG (if you weren't)
You'll have to go with OMFG there - I seriously shook John McCain's hand. He had a primary day rally in Brookfield, a Milwaukee suburb about 75 miles away from me. Since I had already seen Obama, Huckabee, Bill and Hillary Clinton I figured I should see the last major candidate to come to the state. He never came to Madison, and Ron Paul never visited since he "scaled back" his campaign.
At the end of the rally I thought I'd go for a photo op, after narrowly missing Huckabee - whose rally was comparable size and much scarier. So I got into the back of the crowd that was gathering near the stage. So while I was in what I thought was the back of the crowd, I did not realize he was coming my way to do a press availability in the back of the seating area... and I was not too far from the mic they'd just set up. So he came through, greeting supporters on his way to the mic. Since I was between McCain and the mic, I was one of the ones he pressed the flesh with on his way. I said "Thank you for your service and good luck today." (c'mon, gotta respect a vet whether I agree with him or not.) True, he has old war injuries, and yeah, he was shaking right when he appears to be a lefty. But that handshake was the weakest I've ever gotten from anyone outside of diapers. (Then again, I think he's about to re-enter that demographic himself...)
I wound up standing at arms' reach behind Cindy McCain as he did the news availability. I don't actually have a picture of myself with the Senator, but this one from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is the closest I've got. I'm about two people to the left him, the beardy one in the blue USA hoodie. Gotta dress the part when you're at a Republican rally.
That is some funny shit. McCain is an old man. I wouldn't expect him to expend a lot of energy shaking thousands of hands a day. If you find significance in that I would recommend voting for the "best looking" candidate instead. Studied have shown that "good looking" people are more successful than "average looking" ones. This would allow that candidate to be in a better position to negotiate with foreign leaders.
If you find significance in that I would recommend voting for the "best looking" candidate instead. Studied have shown that "good looking" people are more successful than "average looking" ones. This would allow that candidate to be in a better position to negotiate with foreign leaders.
Excuse if me if I consider the physical capacities of the man who would be the oldest president ever first elected to a first term.
When this whole campaign kicked off, I was a Bill Richardson supporter/volunteer. Clearly I go for the best-looking candidates. And, by the way, he did pretty well negotiating with foreign leaders as former UN ambassador and hostage/POW/ceasefire negotiator despite that mug. I think you're overestimating the superficiality of the rest of the world compared to us. Because he and Joe Biden had the strongest foreign policy credentials in the initial field and neither of them are lookers.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Feb 25, 2008 22:53:48 GMT -5
kdogg said:
southgajd said:
kdogg said:
If you find significance in that I would recommend voting for the "best looking" candidate instead. Studied have shown that "good looking" people are more successful than "average looking" ones. This would allow that candidate to be in a better position to negotiate with foreign leaders.
Excuse if me if I consider the physical capacities of the man who would be the oldest president ever first elected to a first term.
When this whole campaign kicked off, I was a Bill Richardson supporter/volunteer. Clearly I go for the best-looking candidates. And, by the way, he did pretty well negotiating with foreign leaders as former UN ambassador and hostage/POW/ceasefire negotiator despite that mug. I think you're overestimating the superficiality of the rest of the world compared to us. Because he and Joe Biden had the strongest foreign policy credentials in the initial field and neither of them are lookers.
I would have prefered either of those guys, but am willing to settle for Obama.
You know, I'm kind of getting pissed off that not a single debate has been on network television. As usual the people in the lower economic strata are being marginalized. I did some checking and more than 1/3 of the poorest 20% of American do not have cable/satellite; and about 1/4 of people with average or below average incomes do not have cable/satellite.
Why is it that the renters of our public airawaves are no longer held to their contract of supporting the public good?
Just another way of demonstrating that if you don't have $$$, you don't matter.
Post by spookymonster on Feb 26, 2008 9:50:11 GMT -5
You guys do realize that his arms were repeatedly broken during his 5 1/2 years as a 'guest' of the North Vietnamese.... that's why they're so gimpy and he can't raise them very high.
Dissing McCain about his weak handshake is a little like saying Hellen Keller was stupid because she couldn't talk clearly. I'm no big fan of the man's policy, but credit where credit's due...
Former Prez candidate and CT Senator Chris Dodd has endorsed Obama.
Pretty big endorsement IMHO especially since Dodd (along w/ Feingold) has been the main Sen. standing up for civil liberties and against warrantless wiretapping.
I thought I would share this with the folks who have been keeping up with the democratic elections (who hasn't been keeping up? :-P) Looks like Obama is chipping away in Texas while he is still looks behind in Ohio, but there is still quite a few that are undecided, so who knows.
I just hope Obama puts Hillary out of her misery next week in Ohio and Texas. I've lost all respect for her and her campaign and it seems like she is teetering on the edge of insanity.
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I think anyone in her position would be teetering on the edge of insanity. Can you imagine being the expected nominee for months and then BAM, right when you're reaching your breaking point with the insane campaign schedule, you find that you're falling farther and farther behind?
I mean, everyone thought it would be all wrapped up on Feb 5th so they were just going-going-going, and then instead of time to breathe, you just have to start going even stronger.
A friend of mine that designs t-shirts says he's making me an "Obamaroo" shirt to cover what he calls the only things I talk about...hey, I'd wear it...
She has been trying everything to make a dent in Obama's momentum; ridicule, fear of Muslims, anger, appeasement. It does look a little schizo.
I kind of feel sorry for Hillary. In 1993 I would have voted for her in a minute. She's just learned to listen to the Democratic establishment over her own heart. She is a good woman that has lost her way.
But then again she's brought it on herself with her voting record of always moving right and giving into the Reps every time. I can't vote for a scared, establishment Democrat.
I just hate (amongst other things) her "I'm an idiot" defense...
Watch her speak...everytime she gets asked about something she voted for, which turned out bad, her excuse is that she thought she was voting for something different...you're a freakin senator...you have a huge staff...do you honestly expect me to believe you don't understand what you're signing off on?
Gimmie a break...
Oh and I'm so glad you're promising me healthcare...like you did in 92, and in 96...clearly that's promise you can keep.
You know, I'm kind of getting pissed off that not a single debate has been on network television. As usual the people in the lower economic strata are being marginalized. I did some checking and more than 1/3 of the poorest 20% of American do not have cable/satellite; and about 1/4 of people with average or below average incomes do not have cable/satellite.
Why is it that the renters of our public airawaves are no longer held to their contract of supporting the public good?
Just another way of demonstrating that if you don't have $$$, you don't matter.
I think it's just that most people wouldn't want the debates on the public airwaves anyway. I mean, I know that just at my work, if there was a debate on ABC one night instead of Dancing with the Stars or whatever, those older ladies there would get pissed. Debates mean no ratings. Most people don't care about the debates. I mean god forbid we'd have to miss an episode of Prison Break or Who Wants to Beat a 5th Grader in Smartness.
I agree that people generally don't want what is good for them but we put every Presidential Address on every network channel and the debates (or at least a couple of them) are way more important than those, most of which are just policy commercials.
I think that some things are important enough to demand public access. And that is EXACTLY why the leasing of television airwaves was instituted. Just MHO.
But Danbird, you are correct. If the people don't demand access, they will gladly keep us uninformed (or misinformed.)
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I don't have cable, and I specifically recall being able to watch a few of the early (pre-IA/NH) debates at home. So I don't think it's a total absence, just a significant lacking.
I think anyone in her position would be teetering on the edge of insanity. Can you imagine being the expected nominee for months and then BAM, right when you're reaching your breaking point with the insane campaign schedule, you find that you're falling farther and farther behind?
I mean, everyone thought it would be all wrapped up on Feb 5th so they were just going-going-going, and then instead of time to breathe, you just have to start going even stronger.
I would expect someone running for president to handle it better than she has.