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They're probably just bluffing to get Dean or a private donor to foot the bill. I'm sure Hillary would rather pursue legal action than not have those delegates seated. Perhaps indirectly by supporting a different plaintiff. This election just might be competitive and/or crazy enough to bring us Hillary Clinton v. Democratic National Committee.
Anyone hear Obama's speech today. I thought he did a very good job of addressing the issues. He managed to not overly offend the black community or the white community, not abandon his church and not sound political and insincere. It's amazing how speaking the truth, and speaking it well, usually works. Hillary should try it sometime.
Now I'm wondering what the spin will be by the corporate media. It will be easy to spin this speech anyway you'd like. Let's hope the mainstream media doesn't just follow FOX like normal.
I loved it, too! I loved that he addressed racism, didn't hide behind political correctness but still managed to come across as fair and balanced. And seeing both sides of the story, how he addressed the whole reverse racism thing. Awesome.
He also took on those malicious Muslim rumors that have been floating around teh internets.
The more I think about it - the longer Hillary stays in the race as his foil, the better prepared he'll be to take on the Republican machine in November. I'm not sure he's totally there yet, but this speech definitely demonstrates he's making progress to that point.
I just saw a good portion of the speach on the news, and man, he keeps on amazing me at how completely inspirational and straight to the point he is. He knows how to get right to the heart of the issues he speaks on.
I think when he speaks from the heart he is at his best. It's when he tries to be political that he sounds bad. He needs to learn to trust himself, screw the consultants and speak the truth.
I think as he goes through more and more of these situations and sees the real way out is straight ahead, he'll not think so much and just speak. Then he'll be on his game.
I still saw the 3 major networks hedging their bets, fearing the impact of FOX and talk radio and throwing in the obligatory "He didn't reputiate the church" and "The blue collar Americans may not like the racial tone." but I think anyone who listened with an open mind and heart could not see this speech as anything but upfront and honest. I thought it was downright courageous.
The guy's associated himself all his life with spiritual leaders who are openly anti-semitic. This is not a good thing for him. This isn't about Fox spin. It's not about a pastor who's unpatriotic. It's about whether or not Obama's past is marred by anti-semitic ideology.
My mom was in town yesterday and we went out to eat. She relayed a comment from my sister from back around the primary time - she'd wanted to ask me why I was going for Obama but "didn't want it to take an hour." I tried to explain it in a few talking points nutshell, then finally asked Mom how she voted. I could tell just by the look on her face she went for Hillary. Gave me the always liked Bill, wants another Clinton back in the White House, "two-for-one" argument. I bit my tongue and didn't go too heavily into the Clinton-bashing, and just said a couple things like "this buzzword 'change' isn't going to happen when we keep the same two family names on the ticket" and remarked how Obama would be better for the party in a general election. After that the conversation steered away from politics, because I don't see her too often and didn't want to be an ingrate since she was buying (on occasion of my gf's birthday.) She voted Democrat in every general election she's been eligible for - and Dean in the 04 primaries - with the exception of 2000 when my college-freshman idealist self talked both parents off the fence and onto the Nader side. I'm just surprised that with those tendencies, she went for Hillary. I was a bit disappointed. Even if it's a dick move, I'll be raising the subject with Dad when I go visit for the holiday. My immediate family is evenly split outside of him, and I'm curious.
I know a lot of older, "trust the Party" type Dems who are voting for Hillary for those reasons. They see Hillary as being "Bill 2" and as THE Dem Party candidate.
I never push the issue, as angering fellow Dems is hurtful in the long run. This is typical in any civil war, which I continue to believe the Dem Party is now in. It's the establishment vs grassroots, or status quo vs change (or money vs people IMHO)
As usual, the newspapers have far outdone TV in distributing and examining the news. While TV has acted as if they are walking on eggshells when talking about Obama's speech yesterday, NY Times, Boston Globe and Wash Post have all dared to express opinions on how the speech went.
The networks seem afraid to take a stand opposite FOX and talk radio, being afraid of looking like they may have a independent thought or opinion. Newspapers, remembering there function in our political dialogue, dared to offer analysis and opinion. And it was unanimously positive.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Mar 19, 2008 9:47:16 GMT -5
I wish there was a way to make the TV news media feel much more irrelevant. They are so pumped up about themselves and make every soundbyte so over produced, staged, and self-emulating, that, IMHO, they'll never reflect reality. They try to project it, and spin it in order that business can go on as normal. But it can't. CHANGE starts with each one of us, ESPECIALLY the undecided sheep in the middle. But they are the ones glued to the tv, buying what the commercials are selling, and wondering who is the most "electable" so that they can appear to be on the side of the winner.
Meanwhile both parties dupe them, and take massive amounts of $ from the sponsors, WHO WANT NO CHANGE AT ALL.
HAHA charade we are. so sad that poverty consumes more than we do as a nation. and we point fingers. we worry about terror while many worry about hunger. daddy needs his job at General Dynamics, but none of us want war.
I wish there was a way to make the TV news media feel much more irrelevant. They are so pumped up about themselves and make every soundbyte so over produced, staged, and self-emulating, that, IMHO, they'll never reflect reality. They try to project it, and spin it in order that business can go on as normal. But it can't. CHANGE starts with each one of us, ESPECIALLY the undecided sheep in the middle. But they are the ones glued to the tv, buying what the commercials are selling, and wondering who is the most "electable" so that they can appear to be on the side of the winner.
Meanwhile both parties dupe them, and take massive amounts of $ from the sponsors, WHO WANT NO CHANGE AT ALL.
HAHA charade we are. so sad that poverty consumes more than we do as a nation. and we point fingers. we worry about terror while many worry about hunger. daddy needs his job at General Dynamics, but none of us want war.
CHANGE starts with each one of us, ESPECIALLY the undecided sheep in the middle.
The undecided sheep in the middle doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. This is the same undecided sheep in the middle that put W in office, right?
CHANGE starts with each one of us, ESPECIALLY the undecided sheep in the middle.
The undecided sheep in the middle doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. This is the same undecided sheep in the middle that put W in office, right?
hey now - oh never mind - I did vote for Bush - sorry 'bout that one guys
i now am officially a registered voter. i got my license with my new address on it and they registered me...now i might actually pay attention a little to the fucked up politics in this country.
Make sure you get a voter's registration card. It should come in the mail in a few weeks. If you don't get yours in 6 weeks call the county election commission and make sure you are, in fact, registered. Make sure you have your card when you go to vote.
In TN I know a lot of people who registered with their driver's license and it never got processed.
Also with the strict new efforts to verify voters (aka Rep voter suppression) many people get turned away for not having their card and a photo ID. Some even get turned away with both of these.
No most states require ID and many are now requiring photo ID. Rep Party endorses universal requirement for photo ID. Some legislators are proposing dual ID requirements. Of course older, urban and poorer people are less likely to have photo ID's or dual ID's.
Some states also allow for citizen's to challenge voter's eligibility, in which case the voter must prove they are who they say they are and prove eligiblity.
In FL Rep party also challenged every known Dem with the same name as any felony nationwide and had their names removed without their knowledge so they would not know and could not challenge the removal before the election.
Rep Party also admitted to using "caging" which is where voter's are sent registered mail requiring them to answer or their name will be removed from the list. they send likely or registered Dems these letter hoping they will toss them unread. When they show up to vote , they are no longer registered. There is proof that this was even done to soldier in Iraq who were Dems or suspected Dems knowing the letter would not be answered at there home address and there absentee ballot could then be tossed.
Most if not every law making it harder to vote are Rep proposals in the name of combating voter fraud. Dems have been to weak to point out that fact that voter disenfranchisement is much more a problem than fraud.
I have many more examples of systematic cases of voter removal but this post is already too long (and a little off subject.)
Last Edit: Mar 20, 2008 19:40:59 GMT -5 by troo - Back to Top
isn't it illegal to ask for identification for voting?
In Indiana it is the law you have to show state ID. If not you dont get to vote. The Indiana State Dems has challenged it before the US Supreme Court although the answer will not come until June it will probably be upheld.
The problem is when the bill in Indiana was passed and pushed through by our new governor Denials (who was the Bush Whitehouse budget director and Karl Rove buddy) he then shutdown the department of motor vehicles office in Gary saying he needed save money. Gary is one of our largest cities and biggest democrat town. After fighting the Governor he put a part time office on the outskirts of town.