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Since we're in a bit of a lull and we've got a week to pass the time, let's do a little survey. It's not the most thorough, because I'm pulling these out of my ass on the fly...
Every survey of presidential scholars has ranked George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt as the three greatest presidents ever. Which order would you rank them in? 1. 2. 3. Who would you say are the three greatest presidents not mentioned above? 1. 2. 3. Three worst presidents? 1. 2. 3.
Most under-rated president:
Most over-rated president:
Favorite fictional politician:
Favorite 2008 candidate, regardless of how things have turned out:
Someone you wish would have ran this year:
Historical political figure you think should have been president:
Race which looks to be the most interesting outside the presidential one:
Favorite current Congressperson:
Other nations often see fights break out on the floor of parliament. Which two officials do you want to see throw down live on C-SPAN?:
Anyway, I guess I should go first now that I'm back from class.
Every survey of presidential scholars has ranked George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt as the three greatest presidents ever. Which order would you rank them in? 1. Washington 2. FDR 3. Lincoln Who would you say are the three greatest presidents not mentioned above? 1. Woodrow Wilson 2. Thomas Jefferson 3. Andrew Jackson Three worst presidents? 1. W? 2. Warren Harding 3. Franklin Pierce (James Buchanan lost the coin toss)
Most under-rated president: James K. Polk
Most over-rated president: Reagan
Favorite fictional politician: Bill McKay, The Candidate
Favorite 2008 candidate, regardless of how things have turned out: I made it apparent I was for Bill Richardson
Someone you wish would have ran this year: Russ Feingold
Historical political figure you think should have been president: Bob LaFollette
Race which looks to be the most interesting outside the presidential one: Al Franken challenging incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman in Minnesota, hands down.
Favorite current Congressperson: Sen. Russ Feingold
Other nations often see fights break out on the floor of parliament. Which two officials do you want to see throw down live on C-SPAN?: I don't care who, as long as they beat the crap out of Lieberman.
I honestly don't know nearly enough about our presidental history to answer many of these questions. But I will answer these..........
Someone you wish would have ran this year: Chuck Hagel
Other nations often see fights break out on the floor of parliament. Which two officials do you want to see throw down live on C-SPAN?: Ted Stevens and Robert Byrd. I'd pay to see those grumpy old men go at it.
Yeah, I don't know enough about the various presidents either.
Favorite 2008 candidate, regardless of how things have turned out: Hillary. I don't like how she's ending up now, but I had such high hopes for a woman in the White House and she seemed like such an awesome choice. Now, not so much.
I think he used one word wrong...."cling". Everything else he said was completely spot on. Now it's been blown so out of proportion that I don't think it's really gonna make too much of an impact. I think if Hillary keeps harpin on it, it's gonna backfire on her.
I don't get how Obama is an elitist. I mean who makes millions upon millions of dollars? Not Obama. Who's been taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporate interests for years. Not Obama. I've always thought of Hillary as a haughty-taughty stuck up elitist. Obama has come from extremely humble roots and he's by no means poor, but he obviously has a heart for the downtrodden and struggling. She's grasping at straws, and the media is more than willing to build it up, especially ABC News, with the debate coming up this week.
Danbird you are spot on. The word "cling" is the only word he should of rethought. Not that it is wrong, just a poor choice. I personally agree with everything he said.
Now to the survey: (I have not thought about this and am doing it on the spur of the moment so I reserve the right to modify in the future)
Every survey of presidential scholars has ranked George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt as the three greatest presidents ever. Which order would you rank them in? 1. Wash 2. FDR 3.Lincoln Who would you say are the three greatest presidents not mentioned above? (I am listing on practical effects that shaped our system) 1. Jackson (gave general population a voice) 2. Jefferson (Governmental structure reasons) 3. JFK (for not invading Cuba and starting a nuclear war, almost any other Prez would have invaded at the military's urging) Honroable mention - Teddy Roosevelt (national parks and trust busting) Three worst presidents? 1. Bush Jr (Constitutionally dangerous, fiscally devastating) 2. Buchanan (inaction and ineptitude hastened Civil War) 3. Harding (Great bureaucrat but his rigid beliefs paralyzed him during the Depression)
Most under-rated president: Madison
Most over-rated president: Reagan
Favorite fictional politician: hmmmmm I'll have to think about this one
Favorite 2008 candidate, regardless of how things have turned out: Franken I have to credit kkdog with this as it had slipped my mind.
Someone you wish would have ran this year: FeinGold!!!
Historical political figure you think should have been president: Robert Kennedy
Race which looks to be the most interesting outside the presidential one: Franken's MN Race
Favorite current Congressperson: Feingold, Almost always stood on principle (against Patriot Act, against war, for impeachment, against warrantless wiretapping)
Other nations often see fights break out on the floor of parliament. Which two officials do you want to see throw down live on C-SPAN?: I'm pretty much a pacifist so I'll pass (though kdogg is right, seeing Leiberman get bitch-slapped would make my day)
Last Edit: Apr 15, 2008 7:32:39 GMT -5 by troo - Back to Top
I think he used one word wrong...."cling". Everything else he said was completely spot on. Now it's been blown so out of proportion that I don't think it's really gonna make too much of an impact. I think if Hillary keeps harpin on it, it's gonna backfire on her.
I don't get how Obama is an elitist. I mean who makes millions upon millions of dollars? Not Obama. Who's been taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporate interests for years. Not Obama. I've always thought of Hillary as a haughty-taughty stuck up elitist. Obama has come from extremely humble roots and he's by no means poor, but he obviously has a heart for the downtrodden and struggling. She's grasping at straws, and the media is more than willing to build it up, especially ABC News, with the debate coming up this week.
I was just listening to Stephanie Miller and she mentioned that this is probably actually helping Obama. Not necessarily in the way he phrased it, but in the fact that there must be a lot of pissed-off people in Pennsylvania because of how things have gone the last few years. Apparently, she was rather quick to start running an ad in Pennsylvania with a lot of ordinary people saying how offended they were by Obama's remark.
I would have to call the both of them elitists, but if I had to pick one or the other it would definitely be Hillary. Between spending the last few decades of her life at Ivy League schools, governor's mansions, Wal-Mart's board of directors and the White House, she's had ample time and opportunity to avoid rubbing elbows with the common folk. At least Obama went for a career in community organizing after he graduated. Sure, he went to Harvard and was also a professor, but I still think he's closer to average people than she is.
As long as you mention the debate, I should remind everyone that it is tomorrow night. Did anyone catch that CNN "faith & values" forum I was hearing about?
I think he used one word wrong...."cling". Everything else he said was completely spot on. Now it's been blown so out of proportion that I don't think it's really gonna make too much of an impact. I think if Hillary keeps harpin on it, it's gonna backfire on her.
I don't get how Obama is an elitist. I mean who makes millions upon millions of dollars? Not Obama. Who's been taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporate interests for years. Not Obama. I've always thought of Hillary as a haughty-taughty stuck up elitist. Obama has come from extremely humble roots and he's by no means poor, but he obviously has a heart for the downtrodden and struggling. She's grasping at straws, and the media is more than willing to build it up, especially ABC News, with the debate coming up this week.
Did anyone catch that CNN "faith & values" forum I was hearing about?
No I wanted to. It was at Messiah College which is near and dear to my heart. I used to go to summer camp there every year.
Yeah, I don't know enough about the various presidents either.
Favorite 2008 candidate, regardless of how things have turned out: Hillary. I don't like how she's ending up now, but I had such high hopes for a woman in the White House and she seemed like such an awesome choice. Now, not so much.
I have no doubt we'll see a woman in the White House in the next 20-25 years...
A new CNN poll taken over the course of this whole "bitter" BS has Obama within 5 points in PA, ahead by 5 in IN, and ahead by 13 in NC. Looks like Hillary's attacks aren't really sticking. I can't wait to see this debate tomorrow night. I have a good feeling about it.
Ackbar reminds me of something. I was shown this by my host back in New Hampshire, but it's still a good read. The Star Wars Guide to the Candidates: www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/526482501.html
I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned the debate yet. So what did everyone think?
As far as the debate itself, I thought ABC concentrated way too much on stupid media generated issues (bitter, bosnia, Wright, etc) and not what really needs to be discussed (healthcare, economy, Iraq, tax and income disparity, loss of good jobs.) Was it just me or did they seem to be piling on Obama the first half of the debate? I counted at least 3 questions about stupid media generated contraversies directed at Obama and only one similar question at Clinton. I'd give ABC a D+
Clinton did well. She speaks fluently and is knowledgably but she slipped into sleazy attack mode too often and avoided tough question by giving long winded, repetitive answers. She still can't shake the slick, plitician look. I give her a B.
Obama was not as eloquent and verbally stumbled a bit. He was definitely under attack for the entire first half of the debate and handled it okay. In substance He did okay but did have a moment or two where he looked like he needed a more well thought out position. Never really had the slick, lying pilitician look though. I give him a B-
I guess this means Clinton won (by my grades) but I really think it was a basic tie. Hard to grade them when the questioning was so bad. seems like ABC was just looking for another "Gotcha" moment.
Fittingly for a Disney owned network, it was a Mickey Mouse debate.
Last Edit: Apr 17, 2008 8:09:22 GMT -5 by troo - Back to Top
It was simply too beautiful outside yesterday for me to bother staying home, so I just watched the recap on the nightly news.
Their lead on that story was that Hillary said - not once, twice, but thrice - said Obama was electable. Then went on about how neither would take the other as a running mate. Stupid horse-race bullshit, and I shouldn't have been surprised to see it.
It already pisses me off. There are a couple ladies at my work that were talking the other day how they switched from Republican to Democrat to vote against Obama. Of course they bring up Rev. Wright and the whole "bitter" thing.
It already pisses me off. There are a couple ladies at my work that were talking the other day how they switched from Republican to Democrat to vote against Obama. Of course they bring up Rev. Wright and the whole "bitter" thing.
Those ladies sound kind of bitter.
If Obama can keep it within a few points I'll take it as a win. He was down double digits a couple weeks ago and the Reps and Talk Radio are telling people to vote Hillary. So if he's close, that means he won the Demnocratic vote.
Of course if he wins, Hillary could drop out but I doubt it. She seems to be in for the long haul. Hey, all the pledged delegates could ignore the voters and switch, like she wants.
If he does somehow win, that negates one of Hillary's stronger selling points of winning the big states. Not to mention increasing the frequency and intensity of calls for her to drop out...
Hillary says Obama's a wimp now. No wimps in the White House she says. So wasn't she the one that was complaining about getting asked the first question and said that Obama gets preferential treatment from the media. Didn't she cry before Super Tuesday. Yeah, Obama.....What a pu$$y.