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"The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It’s been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state," she said. "And the question is whether those 2.3 million Democrats will be honored and the delegates seated by the Democratic Party."
"We have 10 contests still to go and those that wanted to end this election which is so close it's historic, closer than we have seen in decades and decades, it is neck and neck," she said. "It would be like saying we have two minutes to go on the clock and let's quit. Well, one thing I hope you know about me is I don’t quit."
Yeah, we know Hillary. You don't quit. Even if you're continuing to look more and more like a total fool. Keep on fightin, cheatin, and lyin.
Hillary once again stated (just now on NPR) that she will encourage pledged delegates (not Super delegates) to abandon their pledge and switch from Obama to her. She said pledge delegates are in no way obligated to vote in the way the voters instructed them.
In other words, she believes the voters count for nothing. Since they apportion which candidate gets how many delegates and these delegates can vote however they wish, the apportionment is meaningless. In that case, I would ask, "Why have voters anyway?"
If she is correct then I believe Edwards, Dodd and Richardson should re-enter the race and start trying to collect delegates. Hey kdogg! You can start campaigning for Richardson again!
I'll say it again "She must be stopped!"
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I find it ironic that, on the one hand she'll say that the voters of Michigan and Florida have to have their say. That their votes must count. Yet she doesn't want any of the other votes to count. Hey Hill, whatever works for YOU right. I honestly think I'd rather have Ann Coulter as president than Hillary.
The more I hear about her, the less I like her. Ugh.
On another note, the 700 Club was on as I was getting ready to go in to work earlier....and I was listening to Pat Robertson talk about how "Islam isn't really a religion, they just want to control the world"....I could not believe the crap that was coming out of this man's mouth.
Edited: and there are people who watch this show and take it SERIOUSLY! And donate money! and VOTE! That's the scary part.
Islam is the new Communism. All the things they said about the Commies are now being spouted about the Muslims. We must always have an enemy at our gates or we may forget we need the government so much and start demanding our rights and liberties. And God forbid we stop spending more than the next 15 countries combined on defense.
Hillary once again stated (just now on NPR) that she will encourage pledged delegates (not Super delegates) to abandon their pledge and switch from Obama to her. She said pledge delegates are in no way obligated to vote in the way the voters instructed them.
In other words, she believes the voters count for nothing. Since they apportion which candidate gets how many delegates and these delegates can vote however they wish, the apportionment is meaningless. In that case, I would ask, "Why have voters anyway?"
If she is correct then I believe Edwards, Dodd and Richardson should re-enter the race and start trying to collect delegates. Hey kdogg! You can start campaigning for Richardson again!
I'll say it again "She must be stopped!"
Hey Boz
I think this is our opening. We should draft a form letter to all the pledged delegates asking for their votes at the Democratic National Convention. Since they are apparently not obligated politically or ethically to vote for a specific candidate, we are as eligible as anyone.
We don't even need to campaign, just show up in Denver and get the votes. At least that's how Hillary thinks it works. As such, we have as much opportunity and right to the nomination as her.
Islam is the new Communism. All the things they said about the Commies are now being spouted about the Muslims. We must always have an enemy at our gates or we may forget we need the government so much and start demanding our rights and liberties. And God forbid we stop spending more than the next 15 countries combined on defense.
The funny thing is, is he was saying that "Muslims are just like communists. In fact they are worse than communists..." etc etc. I was trying to tune it out honestly. My boyfriend is a Muslim and it made me really angry to listen to. The fact that SO MANY people listen to him and believe that just makes me nauseous.
If she is correct then I believe Edwards, Dodd and Richardson should re-enter the race and start trying to collect delegates. Hey kdogg! You can start campaigning for Richardson again!
See, there's this problem... that didn't work in the first place. They've got 26 delegates between the three of them, and they're all pledged to Edwards.
Speaking of which - Edwards said that he does not intend to seek the vice presidency this time around.
I find it ironic that, on the one hand she'll say that the voters of Michigan and Florida have to have their say. That their votes must count. Yet she doesn't want any of the other votes to count. Hey Hill, whatever works for YOU right. I honestly think I'd rather have Ann Coulter as president than Hillary.
You know Ann Coulter is a self-professed Deadhead, right?
Edit: I'm not trying to counter anything anyone's said...I'm just curious how many people here are aware of that, because I wasn't aware until very recently, when I was looking around Wikipedia. Kinda weird, because she's...you know...an evil Ann Coulter.
If she is correct then I believe Edwards, Dodd and Richardson should re-enter the race and start trying to collect delegates. Hey kdogg! You can start campaigning for Richardson again!
See, there's this problem... that didn't work in the first place. They've got 26 delegates between the three of them, and they're all pledged to Edwards.
Speaking of which - Edwards said that he does not intend to seek the vice presidency this time around.
Sorry kdogg, you're still thinking in the "old" political terms. This is Hillary's "new" politics. Follow the logic. Pledged delegates are not pledged. So why even participate in primaries? Whatever delegates you win are not actually yours. So Edwards doesn't ave 26 delegates. No one has any delegates.
The other campaigns didn't work because they were foolish enough to rely on the voters to get elected. Hillary knows that this is a fallacy. You just need to buy delegates after the primaries. If you spend your $200 million not on the primaries but on delegates (that's $100,000 per delegate) you can win with no popular votes and without winning a single state. That's the new Democratic, Hillary plan for winning the Presidency.
Gotta love Hillary's view of democracy; efficient and streamline, with no pesky voters to worry about.
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
Even if Hillary picked up all 10% of those undecideds, winning all remaining contests 55-45, she would still trail Obama by 108 pledged delegates come convention time. She's got to be pulling in 64.something% in all the remaining contests to tie him in pledged delegates, and I highly doubt that's going to happen.
The rest of the primary schedule:
22 April: Pennsylvania Obama is closing the gap, and it's possible he could pull off an upset. I know I won't hold my breath.
6 May: Indiana & North Carolina Hillary has the lead in Indiana, with Obama gaining on her. Obama is totally going to own NC.
13 May: West Virginia The Census Bureau says WV is the least racially diverse state in the union. In other words, the whitest. Hillary will probably carry this contest by double digits.
20 May: Kentucky & Oregon Kentucky will probably go for Hillary by a big margin. Oregon will probably go for Obama, by a smaller margin.
1 June: Puerto Rico Nobody conducts polls here. Who knows? Hispanics have usually gone for Hillary. There hasn't been a contest with a sizable Hispanic slice of the electorate since Richardson made his endorsement, so I'm not sure what effect that will have. Also, didn't Obama vacation there recently?
3 June: Montana & South Dakota I haven't seen any polls on either of these states yet. I do notice this, though: Departing from either of these states, you would have to travel through two other states before you enter a state Hillary won. Obama also has an important supporter in former Senate Dem leader Tom Daschle, who's currently one of his senior campaign advisers.
Essentially, they will each probably win four of the remaining nine contests (I'm not making a prediction on Puerto Rico) so they will probably wind up right around where they're at now.
Obama is pushing REALLY hard in the Philly suburbs here. Seems like the colleges and the more affluent suburbs are what he's tryin to lock down. I don't know, I get the feeling that he's gonna do pretty well in PA. With the gap closing as much as it has and the landslide way in which he's gonna win Philadelphia, I think he'll probably come away with more delegates than Hillary.
In the past month the town I live in has had Hilary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton and Barack Obama speak. I just came from seeing Obama and his policies are great. Troops pulling out within the first two years, more student aid, NAFTA, tax breaks for companies in america, you will not be allowed to work for the president if you have worked for a lobbyist or work for a lobbyist for a certain amount of time after working in the Whitehouse, and many more. My favorite was not to put a horse trainer in charge of FEMA. Plus he used the word shenanigans. He had me at shenanigans.
In the past month the town I live in has had Hilary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton and Barack Obama speak. I just came from seeing Obama and his policies are great. Troops pulling out within the first two years, more student aid, NAFTA, tax breaks for companies in america, you will not be allowed to work for the president if you have worked for a lobbyist or work for a lobbyist for a certain amount of time after working in the Whitehouse, and many more. My favorite was not to put a horse trainer in charge of FEMA. Plus he used the word shenanigans. He had me at shenanigans.
In the past month the town I live in has had Hilary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton and Barack Obama speak. I just came from seeing Obama and his policies are great. Troops pulling out within the first two years, more student aid, NAFTA, tax breaks for companies in america, you will not be allowed to work for the president if you have worked for a lobbyist or work for a lobbyist for a certain amount of time after working in the Whitehouse, and many more. My favorite was not to put a horse trainer in charge of FEMA. Plus he used the word shenanigans. He had me at shenanigans.
It's soooooo freakin lame. I mean he explained what he meant at the San Fransisco fund raiser. Yet the media jumps all over any little slip up that he makes. Why don't they show that whole speech where he explained himself? Cause that's not interesting. I'm really getting pissed off with how the media is handling this whole primary ridiculousness. Fox News really pisses me off, with all the absurd lies they throw out at Obama. - Obama lies about his family. Obama is tied to the black panthers. Obama is gonna side with the Muslims if he's elected. Obama is a Muslim. - Where does it stop? It doesn't. The increasingly racist comments I read in other places about him really scares me.
It's all just the same "FOX leading the corporate media around by the nose" thing all over again. That's the real danger in FOX. No one believes a word FOX says anymore but they can still keep a story going way past its normal life.
ABC News is usually my source for world news, but more and more they REALLY do seem like there's some serious Clinton backer deciding what stories to run. The Obama story has been their top story for well over 24 hours now. Really?!?! Not the fact that this week has been the worse week for our troops in Iraq this entire year. Nope. Obama said voters are bitter CNN actually seems to be the network that treats the candidates the most equal. That surprises me.
ABC has been steadily moving right over the last year or so. They have Ann Coulter on the morning shows all the time and our local ABC station has hired the local Conservative Talk Radio host (and perpetual Rep losing candidate) to be their mainstream political analyst.
I watch CBS locally and PBS nationally (along with NBC sometimes.) But I have no cable and so limited options.
ABC has been steadily moving right over the last year or so. They have Ann Coulter on the morning shows all the time and our local ABC station has hired the local Conservative Talk Radio host (and perpetual Rep losing candidate) to be their mainstream political analyst.
Yeah... getting bought up by Disney will do that to a network.