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Post by strumntheguitar on Sept 30, 2008 9:18:52 GMT -5
I think gun ownership is a worthwhile platform and if you're into owning and shooting guns then I can definitely see why that could be a deciding factor in determining a vote. That being said, I think if Obama/Biden get the win there will be only minute changes if that to the 2nd Amendment... and I don't know much on the taxation of ammunition so I can't say much on that... This is actually the first time I've heard that, so... that sucks
Its going to be really interessting to hear palin actually have to answer questions with real answers instead of just spewing out empty talking points.
I mean what is this????
Katie Couric: Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Gov. Sarah Palin: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
I'll tell you what it is, its strai retardation she needs to excuse herself from McCains ticket too bad she thinks its the will of god that she was chosen.
Ick!! I think I just threw up a little. I missed the interview, but her response posted above just makes no sense...at all. Are people really that tarded that it makes no difference to them that she is a blithering idiot?!? ???
I missed the Katie Couric interview, but saw the SNL sketch so had no idea that Tina Fey was saying the same thing Palin did, but found it hilarious anyway. Here is a link that shows the two of them side by side.
Does it remind anyone else of another beauty queen?
Plus I will never vote for Obama because of his Vice Presidential candidate... Biden is anti 2nd Amendment... And to me a gun owner that is huge... Obama and Biden both want to not only ban guns that I currently own that are legal but they also want to tax ammunition so heavily that only the richest people can afford to shoot a gun! I currently own 7 guns but only have 1 vote... and that will be for Mccain...
I'm just curious, so you think Palin is a better choice? She who fires librarians because they won't take books of the shelves? she who charges rape victims for their own rape kits? she who wants to teach creationism in schools?
Actually I believe Palin is a terrible choice for Mccain... Honestly I do not believe any of the candidates are great candidates... Out of all the people to choose in America to run on either ticket I do not believe Mccain or Obama was a good choice... Palin has no experience I shudder to think about Mccain dying and her becoming president... But on the other hand... Biden leaves a bad taste in my mouth... I have never been a fan of him... I just do not like his stance on alot of issues and not just the gun issue... I just know Biden is the #1 anti 2nd amendment senator our there... and I really do not want him in the VP seat making him Head of the Senate...
I currently own 7 guns but only have 1 vote... and that will be for Mccain...
So you're saying that out of ALL the issues out there (economy, iraq, etc) the the biggest issue for you is guns? People want to criticize Obama for the 'bitter' comments, but this is exactly what he was talking about.
I was thinking the same thing, but then I know I would have a really, really hard time voting for someone who isn't pro-choice.
So you're saying that out of ALL the issues out there (economy, iraq, etc) the the biggest issue for you is guns? People want to criticize Obama for the 'bitter' comments, but this is exactly what he was talking about.
I was thinking the same thing, but then I know I would have a really, really hard time voting for someone who isn't pro-choice.
Guns is just the one reason I chose to write about... I have alot of money invested in my guns... Every one of them being in mint condition... Every one of my guns is a huge long term investment that only goes up in value... If a ban was to be enacted to where I cannot resell my guns I would be down and out alot of money...
I do not know alot of the political jargon but I am also not an uninformed voter. I do not understand alot of the stuff that is going on with the economy so its harder for me to form a consensus on who im going to vote for on issues I do not understand... I know the economy is in trouble but I honestly cannot figure out who would be the best choice to save our economy because I do not understand alot of whats going on. But I do understand the simpler issues. I am anti pro-choice... and Pro 2nd amendment... So it is easier for me to vote for a candidate who I side with on the simpler issues...
But I do understand the simpler issues... So it is easier for me to vote for a candidate who I side with on the simpler issues...
If you're trying to make my head explode, you got pretty darn close there.
Um and your point is? I was not trying to make heads explode... I just saying that I dont understand exactly whats going on with the economy but I do understand 2nd Amendment issues and Abortion Issues... I know what each candidate stands for but some issues I do not understand...
i am VERY pro-guns. i think they should be extremely difficult to get a hold of, and if you are caught with one without a permit, you should go to jail
however, i do not think they should all be registered (handguns only) because i am extremely terrified of our government, and our current standing in world politics and the world economy
i think we would make a great military target with our obese, apathetic, silver spoonfed citizenry
if all guns were registered, then THEY would know exactly which doors to kick in and exactly how many firearms they would walk out with
i'm not worried about Obama doing this, or even McCain, but down the line 10-25 years, or if the Chinese decide we need to go ahead and pay them back
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I am also pro-gun because I realize that it is not guns that kill people, people kill people.
The argument that because you can't comprehend difficult issues you should instead vote for the issues that you do understand is flawed. That would be like voting for the best-looking candidate. Unfortunately, abortion and gun control are two very small issues in this election. They always play a role in every election, however due to the conditions of this particular election, abortion and gun control are trumped by the economy and Iraq.
I get you jray ... no one understands every issue. I myself am pro-life but believe woman have a right to their own bodies.I am pro-gun but hate violence.(Abortions and guns are not going anywhere - they just bring it up every four years.)I am pro-troops but hate the stinking war and how we bully the world. And the NO NO WORD!!!! war is a joke and a drain on the d.o.c. -creating so much violence.Now that is an issue!!! I don't see anybody up there speaking for me. The kind of person who needs to be president wouldnt even want to be anywhere near Washington DC. And they don't have enough money to buy it even if they did want it. We have a corrupt system and you said it areyoukind - a apathetic spoiled society who thinks we are as fine as frog hair.
Instead of dirt and poison, we have rather chosen to fill our hives with honey and wax; thus furnishing mankind with the two noblest of things, which are sweetness and light.
I guess no one has ever been able to explain to me why people think the democrats want to take away everyone's guns. I think people should be allowed to have guns, and I'm a democrat. I just don't think anyone needs a fully automatic assault rifle. I think the spent-uranium rounds and the machine guns should stay with the military. If you guys really think the democrats are the ones that will send the jack-booted stormtroopers to your house for your guns, you should think twice.
No, Reps are for smaller government (small enough to fit in your bedroom.) And you can't separate politic into left and right. A better analogy is a two dimensional analysisi on economic and social philosophy.
Reps have always been for more freedom for business but never for individuals. Reps have supported outlawing gay sex, sexual methods and positions other than missionary and even in some cases sex between married people except for the purposes of having children. Conservative Supreme Court Justices like Scalia and Thomas are even on record as saying there is NO constitutional right to privacy. (yeah, we need more justices like them. No thanks, McCain.)
Reps have always tried to increase government control in personal lives, increase police power to search, interrogate, imprison persons and seize property without proof, and allow the use of the military inside the national borders.
Reps are generally authoritarian on social issues and laissez-faire (no regulation) on business
Dems are for the 4th Amendment, personal privacy, habeas corpus, proof before imprisonment and property seizure, speedy trials and a right to see an attorney. Dems are for two people right to have sex and live as they please. And Dems believe in reasonable regulations on business like min wage, workplace safety laws, env laws, and oversight of business and financial markets (all of which the Rep Party opposes).
The Dems are generally libertarian on social issues and for a well regulated economy.
If you're trying to make my head explode, you got pretty darn close there.
Um and your point is? I was not trying to make heads explode... I just saying that I dont understand exactly whats going on with the economy but I do understand 2nd Amendment issues and Abortion Issues... I know what each candidate stands for but some issues I do not understand...
I do not know alot of the political jargon but I am also not an uninformed voter. ... I know the economy is in trouble but I honestly cannot figure out who would be the best choice to save our economy because I do not understand alot of whats going on. But I do understand the simpler issues. I am anti pro-choice... and Pro 2nd amendment... So it is easier for me to vote for a candidate who I side with on the simpler issues...
You say you're "not an uninformed voter" and then you admit you "do not understand alot of whats going on." To me, this does not compute. And my head nearly explodes trying to reconcile it.
Post by ClarkGriswold on Oct 1, 2008 18:41:12 GMT -5
As for the gun issue: I’ve never been attracted to them, never needed them, never wanted to be involved with them. I respect the idea some are attracted to them and I have no problem with that thought process.
If the perception is that I embrace weakness so be it. I reserve the need to fight against evil if necessary but a call to arms that is invoked by paranoia, ideology, or some fu(kuped personal since of worth eludes my reasoning. Other than that it’s all good
Reps are for smaller government (small enough to fit in your bedroom.)
I think this was best phrased by Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform: "Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub"
Um and your point is? I was not trying to make heads explode... I just saying that I dont understand exactly whats going on with the economy but I do understand 2nd Amendment issues and Abortion Issues... I know what each candidate stands for but some issues I do not understand...
I do not know alot of the political jargon but I am also not an uninformed voter. ... I know the economy is in trouble but I honestly cannot figure out who would be the best choice to save our economy because I do not understand alot of whats going on. But I do understand the simpler issues. I am anti pro-choice... and Pro 2nd amendment... So it is easier for me to vote for a candidate who I side with on the simpler issues...
You say you're "not an uninformed voter" and then you admit you "do not understand alot of whats going on." To me, this does not compute. And my head nearly explodes trying to reconcile it.
Ok its not brain science to compute... I am not uninformed in the fact that I do read all the information I can about the candidates and where they stand... Sure some stuff is harder for me to understand... I am only 22 and I am not an economics major... So naturally some of the economy stuff I will not understand... I side with the candidate who shares my beliefs... If not understanding some issue is uninformed then are most voters informed then because I hardly know a voter who understands every issue...
I am also pro-gun because I realize that it is not guns that kill people, people kill people.
The argument that because you can't comprehend difficult issues you should instead vote for the issues that you do understand is flawed. That would be like voting for the best-looking candidate. Unfortunately, abortion and gun control are two very small issues in this election. They always play a role in every election, however due to the conditions of this particular election, abortion and gun control are trumped by the economy and Iraq.
Also, guns as an investment? Pffff. Thats like saying you have baseball cards as an investment.
Yes guns can be an investment... That is why I have my investments insured and locked away in a nice gun safe... When you have 7 guns... 4 of which are collectors items worth over $3000 each when they were bought for less than $1000... I think I would call that an investment...